The Renault situation

Since yesterday’s post about Lotus and Renault I have had some interesting conversations with some of those involved and it seems that things are just as complicated and messy as they have been from the start, and that there are no clever plans (as yet) to get the whole mess sorted out.

At the opening of the Kuala Lumpur International Motor Show Proton Group managing director Datuk Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir told the local media that the company’s intention is to buy into the Renault F1 team, in order to support the expansion of the Lotus brand.

“A decision will be made soon,” he said. “It will be made for the betterment of the Lotus brand. We as a shareholder have to make sure it survives. We’re close, just wait for a few days. It’s still too premature to disclose the exact percentage but it has to be a position where we can control our brand.”

This ultimately has to mean more than 50% otherwise Proton would have no control and this ties in with stories that were circulating during the Abu Dhabi GP weekend that Proton would buy control of the team for a nominal sum, in exchange for a commitment to support the team for five years, to the tune of $20 million in sponsorship each year.

“If you look at all the other OEMs like Ferrari and Mercedes, F1 has a direct impact on their marketing and branding.”

The difference is that Ferraris are Ferraris, and Mercedes F1 cars Mercedes. Because of the way in which the Concorde Agreement is structured, a purchase of Renault would still leave the cars known as Renaults, unless all the teams agreed to a name change. The team could change the name without agreement but that would mean writing off around $50 million in revenues linked to the Renault F1 name, and starting again, with a three-year period in which to earn a place as what is known as a “Column One” team, which is a team which has finished in the top 10 in the Constructors’ Championship at least twice in the last three years. This does not make sense. There are dangers that there will be further legal actions if Lotus does enter F1 with Renault F1 as the Team Lotus organisation feels that Group Lotus is using its heritage in racing and “passing off” as being connected to the old Team Lotus. Team Lotus says that it has the right to use the Team Lotus brand in all matters relating to Formula 1 and is awaiting a court ruling on the matter. If this is confirmed then Group Lotus may be open to legal attack for using Team Lotus intellectual property without authorisation and thus damaging the Team Lotus brand. That could involve more financial pay-outs in the longterm. Both sides seem to be intent on holding on to their current positions and thus an explosion must eventually come, unless Group Lotus will agree to pay Fernandes to go away and use another brand. Clearly, Proton does not believe it is worth doing this.

It is interesting to note that Fernandes remains almost a cult figure in Malaysia, which is more than can be said for the Proton bosses – and has just been named as Businessman of the Year in the December issue of Forbes Asia magazine. He continues to expand his other businesses at a pace. Thus it would not be wise for the Malaysian government to attempt to crush the country’s star entrepreneur. Proton does not want to be seen to back to Fernandes, or to accept that it might have made a mistake by appointing Dany Bahar as the head of Group Lotus. Bahar has dazzled the world with his plans for Lotus, but the industry itself is less than impressed with mutterings that all Bahar’s plans are all oompah and puff and are wildly unrealistic. They also doubt that it will be possible to reposition Lotus as a rival of Ferrari in the space of a few years, particularly when Lotus is not selling many cars and Proton is in no position to support the English company. The current project seems to be being funded by banks, with the Malaysian government having guaranteed the loans – which means that if it goes horribly wrong, then the Malaysian taxpayer will be footing the bill.

Proton continues to perform relatively poorly at home although there is once again a push to merge with company with rival Perodua, in order to better use Proton’s production capacity, which is currently underemployed because of Proton’s failure to match its projections. The latest figures show that Perodua sold 166,000 cars in 2009, while Proton sold 160,000. The belief now appears to be that a merger would create a stronger and more capable company, with better economies of scale, lower costs and more potential to expand. Perodua seems less keen on the idea than was once the case as it is making profits and cars are selling well. Proton on the other hand knows that there is a need to act quickly as the protected position of the two companies is being eroded away by developments in free trade in the ASEAN region, with plans for rival manufacturers to have domestic production facilities in Malaysia in the years ahead. Although the government has influence in both companies, Perodua is also linked to Japan’s Daihatsu.

Fernandes’s decision to stick with Team Lotus is a challenge to Proton and might knock a few noses out of joint in Kuala Lumpur, but it is perfectly reasonable. He may reason that he has nothing to lose: either Proton will pay his price and give him the money to launch a new brand in F1; or he could be playing a longer game in which he will wait for the collapse of Group Lotus, the disappearance of Bahar – and probably Zainal as well – and then swoop in and save the day, using the F1 team to relaunch Lotus under his control, probably buying the whole Proton group from the government, which would be a repeat of what he did with AirAsia, which was a horrible government-owned mess until the politicians sold it to him for a ringgit and let him turn it into a huge success. At the moment Fernandes’s brands are aimed at the lower end of the consumer markets with the budget airline AirAsia and the low-cost deals offered on hotels, credit cards and mobile phones by the Tune Group. A low-cost car would be a logical step in this respect while turning Lotus into a higher-end business, selling all manner of branded quality items to the richer members of Asian society would be another interesting business plan.

For the moment at least all this is way above the heads of the folk at Renault F1 and it is expected that Vitaly Petrov will be retained. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seems to be keen to help out and while the Petrov family and friends have access to some cash, Putin can open much bigger doors, as was seen the other day at the announcement of the Russian GP for Sochi which featured an unusual situation of Bernie Ecclestone being the poorest man in the room!

So I expect that we will see Petrov confirmed in the second Renault seat and a deal announced with Lotus to be the title sponsor. The cars will appear on TV screens as Lotus Renaults and the people involved believe that this will be enough to result in the cars being considered to be Lotuses.

This is daft and there will have to be a court battle before next season begins as to have different Lotus cars running around will be brand-numbingly stupid for all concerned.

54 thoughts on “The Renault situation

  1. Hi Joe,

    I agree the situation is “mind numbingly stupid”. Some sort of merger or joint venture between the two Lotuses is the only long term solution. I have no idea how we will eventually get to that position.

    Up to now, the “Lotus v Lotus” battle has generated much worldwide publicity for Lotus (good) but we must now be getting close to the point where the battle will start damaging the brand.

  2. It would be rather amusing to see Proton throwing oodles of bank loan money at Renault only to have the cars constantly reffered to as Renaults – indeed, if any comentators read this, go for it, or if they do get namechecked, do the same for all the other sponsors on the grid too!

    The only sponsors that get namechecked are those that supply key components, and these days that’s usually just engines and tyres, sometimes brakes (Vettel’s spark plug in Bahrain didn’t have a brand) That’s the reason Red Bull buy teams in numerous sports as they get namechecked.

    If you’re a prospective sponsor, and you want to tap into some heritage, there’s Ferrari, which will cost silly money to get anything noticeable on the car, or Lotus. But why gamble on which Lotus is the real Lotus? Sponsor the wrong one and you’re brand could end up tied into a multi year deal with Proton, or Perodua and that’s not quite as classy really is it?! If I was that company, I’d go with Fernandes as I get the impression he’ll still be here in 5 years time.

  3. Great article, very well reasoned. I will watch this with interest as a fan of the current Lotus team…

    How have I not found your blog before?
    Cheers
    Mark

  4. The really sad thing in the event that the two lotuses end up on the grid is that ‘bad lotus’ will have the better car and at least one better driver.

    Two lotuses I could just about handle, but only if group lotus was the one who ended up humiliated on the track.

  5. Brilliant article!

    I hope in the end Tony Fernandes will keep “team lotus” brand for his F1 team. Which seem legally correct.

    And eventually, Tony will buy back the car Manufacturer Lotus from Proton. These guys in proton must never had a chance to drive a Lotus when you see the kind of Italian “BS” Bahar came up with at the last Motor shows.

    The “future” lotus are all about 1.5 tones or something… this guys should work for Benz not Lotus. That’s a crime to Colin Chapman’s heritage: “Light is Right”!

  6. I still don’t understand what it is that Proton are trying to achieve. I think the fundamental problem with Proton is that their cars aren’t very good. I work with a couple of Malaysians, and they are even harsher towards Proton than we in Australia are.

    I don’t see how having their own Lotus F1 team, and IndyCar team is going to help them? Maybe, and it’s a big maybe if they spend enough, then the teams might do okay, and they might sell some more Lotuses, but Lotus is always going to be a niche manufacturer, it’s never going to make Proton massive profits (or at least enough to offset any loses that the rest of the Proton group might make). Maybe their plan is that they take the approach of tying the Lotus name to the Proton brand, in a bid to show how quality Proton’s are. But doing so would just dilute the Lotus brand. I mean who wants to buy a performance car that is essentially an expensive Proton?

    I think what Bahar should be doing is working on improving the quality of Protons, and then only once the Protons are good start worrying about getting into motor sport.

    With Fernandez, is there a possibility that he’ll make a play at some stage in the future to buy Lotus (the road cars) from Proton, and turn it into a profitable niche super car business? Cause if not I struggle to understand why he is so dead set keen on having the Lotus legacy. Surely he is an astute enough businessman not to let romantic notions control his decisions.

  7. Maybe they are looking at Red Bull and thinking;

    “Well it works for them to have two similarly named teams, maybe it will work for us and we can just ignore Team Lotus?”
    “Will anyone notice?”
    “No i’m sure they won’t”
    “Ok, let’s do it.”

    Like you said, a MASSIVE explosion is on its way.

  8. Hey Joe,

    It is reported that Proton’s group managing director, said that Proton is in fact negotiating to buy 25 per cent of the Renault team before the start of the 2011 season.
    Is it enough to be the a title sponsor? As i understand Renault has 25% in Renault F1 team and Proton wants to buy it out…do i get it right?

  9. “It is interesting to note that Fernandes remains almost a cult figure in Malaysia, which is more than can be said for the Proton bosses”

    He appears to be a cult figure to Joe Saward too…

    1. jim,

      Yes, I think ti is fair to say that he is one of the more inspiring and charismatic individuals to come into F1 for years. I judge as I find and I find Tony be top notch. Bahar I know by reputation and I have no time at all for some of the people around him.

  10. Hi Joe
    I really had a good laugh reading about Bernie being the poorest man in the room ! Nice description of the Russian überrich world…

  11. that’s the answer why Lotus Group doesn’t want to be involved in Fernandes’ Team Lotus:

    “We will have the adjustable rear wing but not KERS for the start of the season – it’s in development – really because of engineering resource,” technical boss Mike Gascoyne told edp24.co.uk.”

    Epic battles for 16th position are not in dreams of fast cars manufacturer

    and any agreement between both Lotuses can be difficult if there was any personal conflict
    you know: human ambitions, alpha-male psychology… etc 😉

  12. “This ultimately has to mean more than 50% otherwise Proton would have no control and this ties in with stories that were circulating during the Abu Dhabi GP weekend that Proton would buy control of the team for a nominal sum, in exchange for a commitment to support the team for five years, to the tune of $20 million in sponsorship each year.”

    Joe, Proton wants to control the “Lotus” brand (war with 1Malaysia), not Renault F1 Team..

  13. What irritates me most about this whole farce is that I was looking at Lotus (car company) as a possible future employer and now I only fear it’s going to end up a disaster.

  14. Another reason to love Mike Gascoyne (from his twitter):

    MikeGascoyne: Congratulations to Tony Fernandes, Forbes Asia businessman of the year. Bet the guys from Proton have never won that!!! (about 3 hours ago from web)

    hahaha

  15. I still don’t get why Bahar doesn’t team up with Fernandes… everything is there, and the F1 team can act as a mirror to the Lotus road car line up growing as well.. if it does grow…the pair must have some serious personal differences

  16. Joe
    As always a good analysis. But don’t forget that this is SEA and all is not like it seems. A lot is happening behind the scene and under the table.
    People there have a principle: “Never ever loose face, or make somebody lose it…”
    And, from my own experience in those countries, we can be surprised of the outcome with a solution that none of our westerner mentality would have think of…

  17. Cars will be known on-screen as Renaults unless they get the constructor name changed. The screen does not show Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and certainly not Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro with its banned tobacco sponsorship. FOM only use the official constructor names, and the FIA won’t have two Lotuses on the entry list. Group are stymied unless they can get Fernandes to release the Lotus name.

  18. indeed very stupid. as far as i can see, only one person is damaging the lotus brand and that’s behar, on every level. still, if the scenario unfolds as above, it migth just be worth it esp for fernandes who seems like a pretty decent chap.

  19. I very much hope that Tony Fernandes’ team survives as Lotus or Team Lotus as I am very much looking forward to watching them progress up the ranks. I am in no doubt that they will progress in the next few years and I’m hoping to see them make big strides this year.

    In the long term; I cannot wait for the day when the ‘in case of victory’ glass is broken and the cap flies once more.

    (Actually, just typing the last sentence gives me shivers….)

  20. Bahar’s plans will bankrupt the company and Fernandes will eventually own everything that has a Lotus badge on it.

  21. It will be interesting to see if Putin or the Russian corporate world gets behind Aleshin as well as Petrov, because he seems to be a decent chance of a drive at Virgin with the new Russian investments there.

  22. Joe, thank you for bring indepth to F1 coverage.
    These other stories must take time to research and it’s appreciated.
    Good work as always.

  23. John, I completely agree with you, how this mess can be resolved is beyond me.

    I think it needs to go to court soon (very soon) so all side can move on.

    I find it hard to believe Renault has let it get this far, if Proton is working with Renault on production cars, would it not be best for them to be called Proton Renault?? Proton can then sit back and get twice as much coverage?? If Proton had any sense they would of gone down this line without thinking. They would of got exposure from TF Team Lotus, Renault with Proton and 99% of the world would never of known TF Team Lotus had nothing to do with the Group Lotus, but they get all the rewards!

    Proton had a Win Win Situation and had thrown it away, Maybe some change of Management is needed there.

  24. Joe,

    Don’t you think Fernandes’ biggest mistake could be, in the end, the agreement with Renault for the engine ? I mean : if Renault f1 Team and Proton run together next year, I guess Renault will make pressure under Fernandes to give up the name. Kind of blackmail…

  25. I’ve lived in Malaysia and have experienced driving Proton and Perodua cars. While both fall short of anything we expect from European cars, there is no doubt that Perodua is the superior brand.

    Proton may appear bigger but at least the latest generation of Perodua cars is way above them. Through their Daihatsu link they have access to Toyota technology and it shows.

  26. This just gets more farcical with every update. In all the years I have been following F1 – and it’s a lot – I don’t think I can remember a team putting itself in a more ludicrous situation. And that’s saying something, as I remember the time when Dallara/Scuderia Italia had to turn up to their first GP with an F3000 car, as their F1 car wasn’t ready yet…

  27. I found your statement “it would not be wise for the Malaysian government to attempt to crush the country’s star entrepreneur” to be interesting. One might consider the case of Anwar Ibrahim and the fate of those who grow too popular for the government’s taste.

  28. A post-Renault team could race the cars as Proton Renault. What a horrible sounding name though! Proton have really landed themselves with a hot potato. I expect Group Lotus to eventually to back out of this arrangement (or try to) , there’s now nothing in it for them.

    If Fernandes is also popular with the Malaysian public then his position is completely secure. All he needs to do is hold his nerve and wait this thing out as Group Lotus humiliate themselves wasting acres of Malaysian tax-payers money .

    Even from the start it was perfectly obvious the whole Group Lotus and Renault F1 thing was heading for a fiasco with Fernandes there. Bahar has some serious judgement issues and thought his big ego would make up for his lack research. Bad move.

  29. RF1 wrote :“This ultimately has to mean more than 50% otherwise Proton would have no control and this ties in with stories that were circulating during the Abu Dhabi GP weekend that Proton would buy control of the team for a nominal sum, in exchange for a commitment to support the team for five years, to the tune of $20 million in sponsorship each year.”

    Joe, Proton wants to control the “Lotus” brand (war with 1Malaysia), not Renault F1 Team..

    thank you RF1

  30. Refering to the 2nd comment on this page:

    I work in f1 sponsorship and am currently talking with renault about next year (with a brand i am working with) based on the usual stuff like the brand fit, the audience etc. We were quite close to significantly moving forwards until this lotus stuff kicked off.

    Now though? well the brand I am working with would not fit at all with old man brand lotus and so it is all on hold. A shame really.

    I would quite like BCE to step in and bang some heads together here!

  31. We need the F1 eqivalant of Pamela Jones’ Groklaw just to follow this.

    I don’t think this is going to court. For many many reasons. But I wish it would. There’s a few inflections here which, when broken down, are well covered in prior case, but haven’t been mixed this interestingly. Gimme Rulings! Heck, the pleadings will be hilarious enough.

    ASEAN/AFTA is a strange affair. How exactly do you get thigs done when the Burma Junta sit on your board, and inclusiveness and political face, not to dream of pointing out the obvious about nasty neighbors, are your cultural style? I’ve never heard of AFTA amounting to a hill of beans, and it’s had 18 years go at it now. ree Trade, with vastly divergant growt rates, and no common infrastructure, leads to indivisualism. The best attempt is certainly the EU/EEC. And that’s a pretty good attempt, for all its failings, and one based on already rich nations, not nascent, febrile, potentially transient wealth, as ASEAN’s AFTA was when it started. If you read the details, they’ve agreed to implement committees. Which they agreed to do on time. For a go again in another 5 years. In theory intra – ASEAN tariffs have been gone a long time. In practise . . well, YMMV.

    “A decision will be made soon,” says the Proton director.

    That’s not decisive action. Just raises ore questions. The “five yesses” for old Asia hands. That’s avoiding the issue, the rest of his dependant clause is puffery. In my original post i said i was going to decide as to what cake to eat with my tea. Victoria sponge, by the way. I am therefore more decisive than this Proton bloke.

    State owned, or Sacred Cow companies do not prevail. That’s so much a truism and precondition of modern life, that it’s often not taught well enough. But you don’t have to be Hayek or Popper to get the drift. Proton is acting in the schitzophrenic, tantrum – prone way all habitual sucklers of the public nipple do, when they fear the milk will run dry.

    I see the rhetoric of Proton as a bid to get Ferandes to buy them out. They’re struggling. Their daddy is playing away. Mommy doesn’t love them as much as she used to. Fernandes’ popularity is better than a vote against corruption, it’s a heartfelt thing. Maybe Daddy (Mahatir) wants his baby to survive, in strong hands.

    So, I strongly endorse Joe’s speculation as to why Tony Fernandes is in this. What else, pray tell, makes any sense?

    There’s a wonderful, and i use that word in it’s original sense, prosaically not superlatively, radio progamme from NPR, as to how Toyota tried, ad briefly succeeded in turning around the worst GM plant in the US. I was genuinely moved by some personal accounts. I’d recommend this anyhow, but if you do listen (and it’s a sit down listen, at least it gripped me), maybe light a candle for all the motor cos who think they are beyond rapproach. The requiem for Proton is already well scored:

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/403/nummi

    Somehow my original post got lost in the ether, but i enjoyed trying to improve with this version.

    – john

  32. Lebéarnais,

    your link to a news site sadly brings us only BS.

    “KUALA LUMPUR: Proton Holdings Bhd, which is set to take a 25% stake in Renault Formula One (F1) team, is seeking to expand its relationship with the Renault-Nissan alliance into passenger cars and potentially as a strategic partner to the national auto company.”

    “Set to” means what exactly?

    “expand its relationship with the Renault-Nissan alliance”

    what relationship?

    Oh, they explain their nonsense:

    “But talks of partnership or even Renault taking a stake in Proton will only take off once Proton finalises its purchase of the stake in the Renault F1 team ”

    So, no relationship / partnership then.

    Renault taking a stake in Proton? Ohh, like I was on about, and Joe also, Proton are trying to sell themselves.

    “Proton was involved as a sponsor in the just-completed season of F1 with the Lotus Racing team run by Datuk Seri Tony Fernandes ”

    Err, as far as anyone knows, how were they a sponsor?

    This is a paid piece, surely, but i think a lot more is given away by this:

    “The purchase of the stake in the f[1]team will enable Proton to get waist deep to internationally position the Lotus name as a means to compete with the big boys in the sports car arena”

    So, this “article” is from the mouths of Proton. No thought then to actually how they’ll compete, you know, by building anything . ..

    Sad.

  33. Proton’s failed attempts, just the first few from the FT:

    June 8, 2010

    Proton talks with VW break down

    Proton, the state-controlled Malaysian carmaker…to have sought a controlling interest in Proton’s modern but under-used manufacturing…political opposition to foreign control of Proton.stiffer competition Kevin Brown, Singapore By Kevin Brown

    October 29, 2009
    Malaysia seeks Proton partner

    …revived plans to find a foreign partner for Proton, the struggling state-controlled carmaker…said the government hoped to resolve the Proton problem “soon”, but gave no indication…be close to a deal. Officials say that Proton, formed 25 years ago as part of an industrialisation… By Kevin Brown in Singapore

    March 29, 2009
    Proton to build cars for Detroit Electric

    Malaysia’s Proton is to mass-produce electric cars under…Detroit Electric will produce vehicles on Proton’s saloon car and hatchback manufacturing…existing line-up. The partnership will see Proton use Detroit Electric’s drive systems in its… By John Reed in London

    November 20, 2007
    Malaysia’s Proton ends partnership talks

    Proton, the Malaysian carmaker, said on Tuesday…saw the proposed sale of a large stake in Proton as a significant test of the government…is strong support for the independence of Proton within the ruling United Malays National… By John Burton in Singapore

    Desperate much?

    – j

  34. There’s a personal angle to why Tony Fernandes is after bigger game than F1.

    So, you’re in the prime of your life, turned around a huge company in only 8 years (you think that’s forever, until you’ve aged enough learning what it involves) and you’re the fireband of efficient capital in a state sponsored but withering oligarchy.

    Why, exactly, would a F1 team be your end – all ambition?

    The guy’s no play boy.

    I simply hope fans get the just rewards of the side benefits.

    over and out & thanks to all,

    – j

  35. f1Fan1998,

    Never Say Never (me saying “over and out”)

    I guess it was a matter of time for a post to come from your field.

    I won’t tell you anything, let alone how to do your job, but this bothered me:

    “[ . . .]based on the usual stuff like the brand fit, the audience etc. We were quite close to significantly moving forwards until this lotus stuff kicked off.”

    This stuff [sic] did not “kick off”. It was foregone.

    For a few weeks I tilled the topsoil and no more of what is publicly availble. For months and months Joe Saward has had his ear to the ground.

    But it rumbled all the way from the beginning.

    I think there’s an operative word in any ad or such deal: “resonance”. As in “if it rings true”.

    Now, I dislike any deal my little outfit cannot be principal in, but i’ve been guessing for a while that several things, especially due dilligence, are lacking in F1 sponsor deals, and vast amounts of low hanging fruit is being composted before someone runs a pitch, simply because of a lack of thinking. Not because of apparently sudden developments.

    Sorry to hear your deal is fluffed, but there’s so much else out there.

    regards,

    – john

  36. Team Lotus was set up as a separate entity from Group Lotus back in the day to minimise the danger of one part failing and taking down the other, the current Team Lotus rights owner could argue they are acting in accordance with this principle.

  37. I very much agree with Ronman and Greg: Group Lotus should have teamed up with Tony Fernandes’s Team Lotus and benefits would flow in both directions. The easiest and the best solution!

    By the way: great article!

  38. dany bahar must inspire vast amounts of confidence – although one must admit that it’s a desperate last throw of the dice for a seemingly flawed concept – that of the national car project.

    so here, now, the plan is to use a large chunk of private finance to completely re-jig the lotus operation (which for years has surely struggled to be relevant to the mass market) into something resembling ferrari. bahar comes from a fantastic marketing background – didi mateschuitz is one hell of a mentor – and his time at ferrari surely has taught him something about flogging cars to snobs. he’s got some smart people on board, that much is certain. the cars certainly look nice, in concept form. there’s lots of skilled manufacturing people out of work, so perhaps there’s some value in putting the money in at a low point in the market, hiring decent people, expanding hethel as a manufacturing base (although why do that if home plant in .my is running below capacity – surely a malaysian-made lotus would not be the worst thing in the world). the f1 thing looks like a distraction – but this guy clearly believes in the value of the sport as an interest generator.

    does anyone know if proton/gl tried to buy team lotus from fernandes? that would really be the key, here – because if they did, then tony’s definitely got to have a valid reason for rebuffing it. again, the thought of waiting for proton to go bust and taking over a la airasia kind of seems a bit fanciful for me – that’s not just a tiny asset (2 planes and a ticket counter), but a troubled and quite sizable manufacturer with oodles of baggage and flaws up to the eyeballs…

    bah. I can’t figure it out. this is wierd. it smells funny. there’s definitely something bigger at play. shadow dancing galore.

  39. Dear all

    Wow, Joe- do you ever sleep? Thankyou for the prolific output, (quantity, yet uncompromised quality), it makes the off season bearable.

    Deary gracious me, the whole Group Lotus gig looks like a “tears before bedtime” scenario, doesn’t it???

    Historically, of the two entities, Team Lotus (the original) was light years ahead of Lotus cars, as far as brand recognition and image goes.

    The current Team Lotus has some similarities to the Chapman version- small organization, highly creative and respected designer, starting from the bottom, and working its way up, seemingly quickly. For all intents and purposes, with motor racing as its first priority, and, with respect and understanding for the word “Lotus” as a motor racing icon. It also seems to have the benefit of a hell of a lot of good will from the fans.

    Now, let’s look at Group Lotus.
    One and a half decades of loss making, stumped up by the Malaysian tax payer, via Proton, also lodd making. Which will stump up another 770,000 quid for Group Lotus across the next decade. Good thing the tax payers are non voting shareholders.

    Currently, Lotus has a model range which wins much critical acclaim for lightweight cars with superb handling characteristics, but, only manages to move 2400 cars per annum, despite marketing them in 30 countries.

    The CEO is a former “senior vice president, commercial and brand” at Ferrari, responsible for, inter alia, global car sales. (not a difficult job, really, to move one of the world’s best known and most desirable road car brands).

    Said CEO makes the grandiloquent claim that, 20 years ago, “Bentley, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche were mentioned in the same breath as Lotus’…… ???!!!
    Announces plans to boost Lotus sales to 8,000 in 55 countries.

    He announces that Lotus will be an engine supplier for Indycar, thus (a) taking the expensive route, when current Indycar regs allow for a fairly cheap tub, BYO aero(after all, it is taxpayers dollars he is using) and (b) ignoring Lotus’ proud, if brief hsitory in Indycars, which involved Jim Clark, and used other people’s engines, with not a little success.
    Thus creatiing the implied question, to me at least… if they can design andbuild an Indycar motor, why can’t they do the same with their roadcars???

    He then announces the new Elite. (leading with an Ace??)
    A 1.6 tonne vehicle, all aluminium, state of the art (though not groundbreaking) hybrid supercar, which has little connection, as far as design philosophy goes, with the rest of the Lotus range. It’s cleverly positioned pricepoint, 115,000 quid (sorry, have no pound symbol), is well over double that of the next dearest Lotus, thus minimising the chance of existing Lotus owners “climbing the ladder” as their wealth increases. It does follow one Lotus tradition- it has someone else’s engine- a tarted up, turboed Lexus IS-F job.

    The pricepoint is 25,000 quid below the Ferrari California, designed by the chap who penned the 458 Italia. There is a full size model sitting around looking pretty at Hethel, and yet, it won’t be on sale till 2014. Yet “designed” is past tense.

    He makes it pretty clear that Lotus is taking on his old employer, and yet, does nothing to distance Group Lotus from Proton- the automotive equivalent of leprosy.

    Then, rather than sling Team Lotus a few million to carry the brand name, and, enhance it, it’s lawyers, guns and money to try to rip it off them, and more money to put a Lotus sticker on the side of a Renault.

    If they go as far as getting the team recognised under the Concorde Agreement as the constructor “Lotus” they blow $50 million plus all the legal fees etc, to get what they could already have for a song, if they were to work with Fernandes.

    And, at the same time, they risk the disastrous PR of being seen as a bunch of thieves and bullyboys who screwed Team Lotus over.

    Incidentally, I have their website open- after 3hrs minutes, it is still loading…… fairly symbolic, I’d say.
    cheers
    MarkR

  40. John,

    A couple of things;

    1. You are making an assumption on the timings of my deal. That is fine. We held back on this some time ago due to Lotus. Due Diligence in this regard did take place.

    2. You are right, there is plenty more fish in the sea.

    What industry are you based in, and how are you connected to F1?

    f1fan1998@hotmail.co.uk if you would like to get in touch.

  41. f1Fan1998,

    Hi!

    Sorry, but i never meant to imply i was assuming anything about your deal, or your own dilligence. Rather to make a general point, which you might see from several earlier posts I made concerning tech companies i could build a pitch to be in F1.

    So this is clear to readers, you have my unreserved apology.

    I think the probem, with being anything other than a principal in a deal, is you end up being obliged to press on, when your “intuition” (hard won experience) says “No.”

    I will write you, thank you for being forward. It’s funny how I used email before there was an ampersand, and am late to abandon it, but see R. X. Cringely’s commentary for how email is gone. Anyhow, i’ll drop you a line, soon as, but with some thought before i spiel. I use a gmail account for this public online thing, if you’re checking SPAM filters. I’m friendly, even when not committal 🙂

    yours,

    – john

  42. Dear Joe,

    What can I say from a fan of yours and a huge Lotus fan, I have become a bit unhappy with your stories.
    I would read your articles believing you were a journalist doing your job and a journalist often going against the big F1 machine, and giving the readers the exact time. Its when I realized that with the Lotus story, all you really are is a Muppet belonging to Fernandes.
    As you accept donations on your site, I am sure Mr Fernandes is giving you some interesting donations. From day one all you have been doing is shitting on Group Lotus. All they do is bad and you have been the obvious voice of Lotus Racing. I would imagine that Lotus Racing giving Lotus its worst finish in its history, with no points scored, doesn’t quite make them happy. Lotus is a legendary name and it should not be at the bottom of the grid every week and having stupid press releases going out explaining that they are doing better then the worst teams in F1 and that all this is a success.
    Lets just say Fernandes spent crazy money this year in F1, would he have joined a team like Renault last year, he would have finished fourth. But he decides to join Mike Gascoyne. Lets be honest the best in the business have kicked out Gascoyne. He has been problems everywhere he went. Let’s be honest, he has never produced a car that really did anything serious. He’s back into F1 and already Group Lotus wants to get rid of him and Force India have proof that he has cheated. Fernandez has no clue of what a F1 car looks like, so I guess that’s why he thinks Gascoyne is so great. He should look at the best Team Directors in the business and take some advice, and see what they did to him in the past.
    As for you, Joe, I am sure this is just business, I understand. Still love your work and I own some of your books, but what made you so brilliant was your integrity at all cost…please don’t change. The fans need the truth…
    Ken Packwell

    1. Ken Packwell,

      This is what I believe the truth to be. If you do not wish to accept my analysis then that is your choice. I am sure you could have phrased the comment in a less impolite way, but I have heard worse.

  43. Joe, if you think that shareholders with under 50% have control you could not be more wrong… Especially when they have other parallel agreements (implicit, or explicit) and contracts with the company. Remind me again, what shareholding does Renault hold in the Renault F1 team?

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