Throughout the weekend in Turkey there was a very quiet whisper in the F1 paddock about a serious incident that had taken place in a Shanghai nightclub on the Sunday night after the Chinese GP. The story remained under wraps because most of the F1 circus was busy leaving China that evening and knew nothing about it, and there were no reports at all in the Chinese media in the days that followed. The only whispers came from those who has witnessed the after-effects of the fight, rather than the fight itself. The teams involved say that the incident is a private matter. What we do know is that Force India driver Adrian Sutil and his pal Lewis Hamilton arrived at the M1NT Club and ended up in a private room with other F1 people, including Eric Lux, the number two to Gerard Lopez at Genii Capital, the apparent owners of the Renault F1 team. Beyond that there were lots of different stories and very few facts. Lux departed with blood streaming from a neck injury. I heard that Lux had had 24 stitches in his neck. Later I heard the figure 16. I heard that more than two people were involved and also that the fight involved just the two of them. I heard that it was self-defence. The one element of the story that remained the same was that the injury was caused by a broken champagne glass.
Hamilton was not involved and departed rapidly after the incident.
What few have yet mentioned is the question of alcohol. As normal sane people do not attack one another with broken champagne glasses, one can surmise that the chances are that whatever happened was fuelled with alcohol. Racing drivers rarely drink and thus are more susceptible than others to its effects. One can speculate endlessly. Given the delicacy of the situation and the paucity of facts, I felt it was best not to report the story as the scandalous nature of the claims could do Sutil considerable damage before any legal examination could be made of the whys and wherefores of the incident.
Sutil’s situation is delicate at best. His position at Force India has been somewhat under threat since the arrival of Nico Hulkenberg as the team’s third driver. The whisper is that the team wants to slide Hulkenberg in to replace the inconsistent Sutil as soon as possible, in order to try to sell engine supplier Mercedes Benz on the concept of Force India being used as a junior team, to train up drivers for Mercedes GP Petronas. Clearly the hiring of Paul di Resta was Mercedes-Benz related and Nico Hulkenberg is seen by many (although not by Williams, his previous employer) as being a German star of the future.
Michael Schumacher is 42 and things are not going well for him so the obvious replacement at Brackley would be di Resta, as he has done very well this year against the experienced Sutil.
Since the story began to break Sutil has come out with a quote saying that he he had hurt another person “completely unintentionally”. This is a most curious explanation as people do not generally stick broken wineglasses into the necks of others without meaning to do it. Sutil wants the whole thing to be forgotten and says that it is not directly related to his job as a Formula 1 driver. Perhaps not, but there is always the possibility that this was a serious crime and it could end up with him being sent to prison for something akin to what the British call grievous bodily harm. In that case, it would have an effect in F1 as he would not be available to race a car. It is thus a story that Formula 1 reporters must examine.
At the same time one has to ask what would have incited Sutil to do such a thing and thus Lux’s involvement needs also to be analysed, particularly as he does not appear to have gone to the Chinese authorities about the incident.
If there is no official action being taken by any authorities, it is down to the two individuals to sort out the problem in whatever way they think fit. The fact that the story is now in the public domain makes it a story that must be mentioned, although I am loathe to draw any conclusions.











3 observations:
1. Sutil will not get in trouble with the Chinese authorities. If he does, it will just be a slap on the wrist.
2. Sutil will never be hired by LRGP.
3. If Lux was a high ranking Communist official and Sutil was a Uyghur/Tibetan human rights activist, Sutil’s family would have already received an invoice for the bullet the firing squad used.
That would be the sme Adrian Sutil who jumped out of Hamilton’s way in the 2008 Brazilian GP then?
It could just be a drunk 28 year old making a wide gesture with a glass in his hand, and accidentally hitting someone in the neck. I’ve certainly seen people knock plenty of things over while they’re drunk – it *could* just be bad luck. Maybe I’m an optimist?
Josh, And it could be that a bunch of pixies flew through the room and forgot to sprinkle happy dust on everyone…
Champagne flute to the neck, classy!
Yes, I guess it is like kicking someone’s head in wearing Gucci shoes
One would have to imagine that if the facts of your report are correct, it will be pretty difficult for Sutil to get another drive in the future, given the nature of the injury and Lux’s high ranking position in a team…or a parent company whichever is the correct designation.
Joe, respect to not be drawn to any conclusions considering the lack of many facts!
Of course, I’m less restrained, so let me draw some conclusions instead
Fact is that non of the parties involved pressed any charges, so there is a good change that both did something stupid …
I can easily imagine this: after-race party, alcohol, 2 people get into an argument, which turns into a brawl, one pushes the other one, who slips and either falls to the floor or on a table, with glasses on it, something breaks, something cuts, blood, everyone realizes what happened and leaves as fast as possible, eventually everyone sobers up and recognized the stupidity of their actions and deals with it as they see fit …
Now the story breaks, now the rumours start and the people involved must explain …
Nice story (I think) – of course fully made up by me, because I know nothing. It’s easy to draw wild conclusions in any direction. Fortunately, Joe does not.
Shades of Bertrand Gachot…
Without directly making any allegations, Joe, the import of the story is pretty clear. Chinese prisons are nasty. Highly doubt we will see Sutil in a Force India car at the next Shanghai race.
One thing is for sure – the statement that came from Sutil is arrogant, you can’t expect people to say “oh right, it’s personal, it’s fine” now that it’s out in the media. (BTW, how is it personal if everyone involved is from F1?)
Your session with the FIA Institute springs to mind about how you challenged the younger drivers on a few questions – Sutil’s reaction doesn’t seem well thought through, I doubt that his fans (?) and sponsors are completely happy that he admitted to swiping someone’s neck with a glass but has barely apologized.
One might surmise, with Sutil not known for a being an aggressive type, that after Luz intimated DiResta might be getting the ‘Besta’ of him on the track, Sutil decided a glass of champagne in the face might be the appropriate responce.
Being a bit tipsy, his hand to eye was shot and it ended up in his neck.
Alcohol is a real problem for some people, ive lost count of the friends ive lost and stupid things ive done due to it….
I think its a shame when otherwise decent people (Sutil) have their reputations ruined for things like this.
Some people grow horns and turn ugly when drinking but are the sweetest most considerate and kind people when sobber… its a funny old world.
It would be interesting to know quite what Mr.Lux said or did to get Mr. Sutil to part with his champagne glass.
Anyway, my guess this will all fizzle away to nothing which is probably the best way.
Also funny how some press are reporting the story as “Hamilton pal in fight”… dragging Lewis into it somehow.
Sutil’s never going to get extradited to China, though…
In fairness, like Lux, I too be reticent about going to the Chinese authorities. However, if the same incident happening in the UK, it would be a completely different situation.
Sounds like a party I would’ve liked to be in on!
Wow.
just suggesting normal drunk people do not attack anyone either. Not really the point of having a drink. Well, not in my book.
– j
Strange. Odd that’s it’s taken so long for the story to come out given how most people like to gossip. As you say if the authorities weren’t involved at the time then it will likely be dealt with by those directly involved in the incident.
Also strange that Lux didn’t make a bigger deal of it if he was innocent. If someone slashed my neck open with a champagne glass without good reason, if there is ever a good reason to do that, I wouldn’t want the culprit walking away unpunished especially if I knew who it was.
love the continuing work that inter:state are doing. the blog is starting to look really good. just need to get them to redesign your book covers and things will start looking cohesive.
History doesn’t repeat itself but often rhymes? A German might get a race seat to be groomed to replace the original German that benefited from similar circumstances 20 yrs ago…
M. Court took Gachot to court ?
I guess conclusions are in peoples minds, but the question has to be if it was an accident, verified by Lopez… Why the run out of China (low risk option I suppose) and why no public statements before now.
At least it would have been a low key news item and Lewis won’t keep being asked questions about it… until the details are known.
I saw an article on Le Figaro that sounded pretty much like it was taken directly from a Lux associate. Sutil has told it was an accident and nothing serious.
Then there is the camera’s apparently taping the incident.
And someone mentioned yesterday, that Hulk has parted with Willi Weber as his manager. Its confirmed on his website http://www.nicohulkenberg.net/en/news/hulkenberg-and-willi-weber-split
Already looking at improving there?
I agree it is a sad incident and would like it best if this was solved between the parties in private.
Yikes.
The more interesting point here is that Hulk has split from Weber. I would expect the german bank deal to vanish now. How ungrateful the young man is!
Admin,
I presume that you know all the ins and outs of the relationship in order to be able to judge Hulkenberg in such a fashion.
Rumour, whispers, speculation……I really hope such things do not ruin Adrian Sutil’s career.
For all anyone (other than those involved) knows there was absolutely no wrongdoing whatsoever by Sutil. But as a public figure he now has this attached to his name and already that will have an effect of the opinion of current and potential future sponsors.
These rumours may already have destroyed the career of an innocent man.
If he’s not innocent, if he went into an unprovoked rage and glassed Lux then his career deserves to be ruined by such a foolish act.
We don’t know and probably only a handful of the people in that private room do know.
I’d err on the side of caution and assume no wrongdoing until proven otherwise.
Shake n Bake,
My thoughts entirely.
To be frank, I would imagine that pretty much everyone involved in the higher-levels of F1, especially drivers and ‘investment capitalists’ are rather strange people with a pretty warped view of the world.
I would definitely include Sutil (who strikes me as a rather odd character anyway) and this fellow Lux in that category.
Leave them to sort out their childish spat.
mefef,
There is nothing childish about a champagne glass in the throat.
Actually joe, no i don’t – do you have any insight? It would be interesting to hear from you if you do.
However, from an outsiders point of view, weber significantly funded hulks career through the lower levels and ‘drove’ it to the point where a deal with williams was done. hulk shows the classic signs of a frustrated racer not racing and has most likely taken those frustrations out on the man that should be bagging him a seat.
The problem for hulk and other talented up and comers is that they are hitting the top just at a time when they need to be coming with talent and money!
Being a little more cynical though, it could be that because of the sutil incident, hulk now knows he is a shoe in for the race seat and so has ditched weber (hopefully for hulk) on the premise that there will be no race seat commission for weber and so maximising his earnings. if that is the case, it is a little bit shark like and that won’t stand in him in good stead in future years.
Look at Andy Murray for comparison. He has no direction and as a consequence is not fulfilling his talents.
Alcohol, the cause and solution to most problems.
Joe, with respect, that wasn’t really my point..
mefef,
It is still a point worth making…
I agree with many of the comments about alcohol being a important mitigating circumstance in this case, but there is a fairly large difference between being drunk and throwing a punch, and being drunk and taking a glass to someones throat. Obviously both are pretty bad situations, but while one could possily be seen in a UK court as assault, the other could be seen as assault with a deadly weapon, and intent to (or actual) GBH. And as usual Joe’s writing reminds me why I love reading the blog; we all love to draw conclusions from confused facts, Joe however puts us on the right path!
The thing that is surprising in my mind is that if Lux really felt that he had not initiated the confrontation or felt he was entirely innocent in the situation, it would have been more public and Renault would not have helped the cover-up as much. But then there are lots of confrontational people out there who would still be innocent if they ended up with a champagne flute in their neck. It clearly is a messy business and not a particularly pleasant one.
Henry,
I did not say alcohol was a mitigating circumstance. I said it was probably a contributory factor. That is not the same thing.
Agreed Joe.
In fact – if this were to be the end of Sutil’s career, it would hardly be a huge loss to F1, let’s be honest.
Senna would never have tried to cut someone’s throat for example, and certainly not with a broken Champagne flute of all things.
Having observed Sutil’s career for several years, my guess is Sutil was trying to ‘drive’ the champagne into his mouth… But he accidentally mistook Lux’s neck for somebody else’s car!
Well this could just the excuse needed to get Nico Hulk in that car.
Sutil has had a decent chance in F1, the only way he is going to do well is if every race is a wet and every race gets cut short early (ie before he crashes again).
thats an incredible story, maybe Sutil was simply toasting Lux and slipped. Or maybe it’s as nasty as it sounds, “glassing” someone is a serious offence and would be pretty much guaranteed to get you a custodial sentence in the UK. Joe have you heard anything from the FIA? I would have thought they would be interested.
TimW,
It is not deemed to be their business.
Funny how Hamilton legged it – looks like he learnt his lesson’s on the PR front? Would have thought he would have helped out his mate though??
Rob Mils,
That depends on what his mate did.
Not enough facts in this story.
I really don’t get all the discussion. Two grown men may or may not have had an altercation for reasons unknown and have chosen to stay mostly silent about it. Personally, I’m curious to know more since I think it’s an interesting story in the normally boring or at least ultra polished [public] lives of F1 drivers. Otherwise, I could care less and I’m glad it’s being handled like rich adults (no need for criminal investigations over a bar fight just presumably one less team for Sutil to think of when exiting Force India).
Moving along…
What, no pictures?
That surprises me, I would have thought that if the incident was deliberate (which of course we don’t know) then maybe a charge of bringing the sport into disrepute would be in order. Did the FIA get involved in Thomas Sheckters indiscretions? I can’t remember if they did, it would be ironic if Max brought charges!
I really hope this was an accident and no further action is taken by anyone it would be a shame for Sutill to lose his career over this.
Eric Lux attaque Adrian Sutil en justice
writes LeFigaro
Bill Day,
When I get some you will be the first to know. There are only two facts of import.
Eric Lux had a hole in his throat, from which quantities of blood emerged. Adrian Sutil admitted doing it.
I’m surprised that some people think that this story is not worth reporting, I think its potentialy one of the biggest F1 stories of the year, it could easily have been the first F1 murder!
“When I get some you will be the first to know. There are only two facts of import.
Eric Lux had a hole in his throat, from which quantities of blood emerged. Adrian Sutil admitted doing it.”
Just saying, there’s all you know.
Well, why not go find some facts and let me know
In response to Bill Day on May 14, 2011 at 12:52:
“When I get some you will be the first to know. There are only two facts of import. Eric Lux had a hole in his throat, from which quantities of blood emerged. Adrian Sutil admitted doing it.” Just saying, there’s all you know.
Well, why not go find some facts and let me know
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Um, isn’t that your job?
Bill Day,
I am not investigating the Sutil business further as it is of no import to me unless/until it goes to court. We do not know what was said that caused Sutil to act as he did. Who knows, perhaps he tripped over his shoelaces and stabbed Lux in the throat by accident. My view is that a man is innocent until he is proven to be guilty, which I believe is the system used in civilised countries. If Sutil is tried, found guilty and imprisoned and is not be able to drive a Formula 1 car then it will become a news story. If not, he will go on racing F1 cars until he loses his drive or retires.
With regard to what my job is, perhaps you should remember one or two fundamental truths:
job (noun) = A regular activity performed in exchange for payment. So, Bill, send me a cheque and I will do a job for you. This blog is not a job. It is a voluntary, charity service produced by me for all those poor millions of people who use the Internet and believe that everything is free. There are many others who believe that because they can read lots of stories on the Web and steal the content and ideas that this not only makes them experts, but also gives them the right to pretend to be F1 reporters, even though they have never been in an F1 paddock and do not know anyone in the F1 business. I am simply trying to steer people in the right direction. All I ask from my readership is civility and a little respect for the fact that I even bother to do it.
Is that asking too much?
Sniff sniff….what is that smell? Oh it’s the aroma of someone being shot down in flames!
You are just too easy to wind up.
Bill Day,
If you wish to wind people up, go do it somewhere else.
Alocohol – the root of many an evil incident, but it is the very thing Sutil’s employer Force India thrives on – selling liquour. If there is someting that makes you lose your balance why should it be around in the market? This is why I’m happy when countries like Turkey ban alcohol advertising. It is as dangerous a thing as tobacoo. To think that Vijay Mallya has made himself fat selling this…
Just to be clear, that wasn’t my intention. When this all began, I thought I had a legitimate comment on your story. I do appreciate being able to follow your perspective on the world of F1.
Hi Joe,
Not strictly an F1 question but one which does relate to France and on the issue of innocent until proven guilty: any thoughts on the American practice of printing the name and face of the accused before his conviction? I have read that the French are appalled at DSK’s treatment by the press. I see their point but remind them that the American system of justice is intended to be transparent from start to finish (no Star Chambers here), and, thus, the press are allowed full access. Sutil is innocent but obviously, the taint is everywhere.
Bloomsm,
You raise an interesting point. I have been pondering how the legality questions will work. Eric Lux says that he “has decided to file a criminal complaint” against Adrian Sutil. This does not mean that this will ever turn into a real legal action. It is not up to Lux to declare what is legal and what is not legal. The only people likely to want to deal with such a complaint are the Chinese, as all others would have jurisdictional problems with Sutil’s lawyers arguing that only a Chinese court can decide on such a thing. But would the Chinese police take action? The incident was apparently not reported at the time, which is odd, and involved two foreigners. It all seems very unlikely to ever happen. So what was Lux’s press release about? To me it looks like Lux has issued a press release to damage Sutil and perhaps to convince him that a private settlement is the best way to deal with this.
it is that Eric Lux can take legal action against Adrian Sutil. He cannot lay criminal charges against him, because it is a prosecutor who decides on this matter. Thus he can report Sutil but it is not for him to choose. Logically he can only do this in the jurisdiction in which the alleged offence took place, which is China. My feeling therefore is that the announcement from Lux, issue by
Joe,
You are right all around. I know that US law does allow for the prosecution of Americans who commit certain crimes abroad (sex crimes and human rights abuses, for example). I don’t know about Germany. I believe this is all about money, including Lux’s references to “others”. I think he refers to the team. Under certain theories a principal can be held liable for the conduct of his agents.
When I’m not blogging, I am a lawyer. Usually, you look for a deep pocket. I think Lux is looking to Force India and Sutil. As in all things, just follow the money.
Scott Bloom
More issues for Sutil? ‘His’ sponsor, Medion, has been bought by Lenovo – could prompt a change in direction regarding future sponsorship?
http://www.microscope.co.uk/news/vendor-news/lenovo-forks-out-for-german-pc-builder-medion/