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Some thoughts on the news in F1

July 27, 2011 by Joe Saward

I took a look on the Web this morning, to see if there is anything interesting out there relating to Formula 1 and found very little. OK, we are heading towards the holidays and in “the real world” things are moving towards the traditional “duck on skateboard” silly season, but F1 is still flat on the gas for another week or so. But what do we have? Ferrari set to launch attack… Di Resta hopes for better luck… Ferrari want Hungary repeat… Chandhok hoping for another race… Button, Hamilton relish Hungary return… Mallya confident Force India can build momentum… Heidfeld aims to impress… A bunch of non-stories being used to drive traffic to a vast clutter of websites that may (or probably not) have some vague connection with the sport.

Think of it this way: there are only about 300 proper Formula 1 journalists in the world – in all different language groups – and less than 50 of these are writing in the English language. There must be 10,000 fake ones, who believe that they qualify for the status because they sit at home and rewrite the work of others, using Google Translator and adding their own “take” on stories, or playing Chinese whispers with quotes and press releases and presenting themselves as being F1 insiders when they have never been near an F1 paddock and in many cases have never met anyone involved in F1.

There is nothing wrong with fans blogging about the sport – I am all for it – but it is the fraudulent behaviour that I find offensive as it misleads and confuses the audience. It creates problems for the real F1 media and ultimately achieves nothing, because very few of the people doing it are making any money.

This is not even citizen journalism, in which normal people use modern technology and the power of the Internet to do what proper journalists should be doing. Everyone can have an opinion, but it is the trained, professional and seasoned journalists, who have access to the people involved, who will produce the best (and most balanced) stories. The problem is that thanks to the likes of Rupert Murdoch and his undesirables, the trust in the media has been damaged and there are some who believe that a tyranny of experts is worse than a tyranny of ignorants.

There is a certain blissful irony in the fact that Murdoch and his goons have become their own reality TV series and are being gobbled up (and will soon be spat out) by the very system that they created. The phone hacking scandal that has rocked the British establishment has damaged pretty much everybody, giving a bad impression of the media, politicians, policemen, you name it. It shows that the ends do not justify the means and that ethics are important. Murdoch’s newspapers also went too far and blurred the lines between doing things for the public interest and doing things for profit.

Yes, titillation, scandal and gossip will always sell, but so too will good journalism. Without public support the media is lost. Good journalism relies on contacts and trust. When a media outlet loses the trust of its readership it dies.

The Formula 1 world does not make it easy to obtain first-hand information, the PR departments basically trying to “buy off” the media with free lunches and five-minute interview slots with the stars so that the hacks get the few quotes they need and then churn out dull stories, often working with their colleagues to write similar articles to protect themselves against being scooped by a rival. Others simply rely on the power of their particular publication to accept leaks that are given to them by people with an agenda. It is easy to look good when the news comes to you… but few of these people ever question the content they are being given for fear that it will stop happening.

The only decent headline I have read in recent days is Adam Cooper’s “Ferrari engineers examining nuts”, which grabs the attention and leads to a serious assessment of what went wrong with Felipe Massa’s pit stop in Germany. OK, that may not be earth-shattering subject matter, but it is the sort of thing that the fans want to know. Otherwise most of the news has been he-said, she-said journalism or rehashed press releases and Q&As. It has never been easier for the team PRs to get their point into the public domain – and yet most of them do it without any imagination at all (although there are exceptions).

Right now, there are lots of interesting things happening in F1 that need investigating and lost of funny little stories that deserve a mention. There is an understated story lurking about that links the winner of the green jersey on the Tour de France (which goes to the rider with the most points). This went to Manxman Mark Cavendish on an S-Works bike that was developed by the US manufacturer Specialized, in league with McLaren Applied Technologies, which provided its knowledge of composite technology and aerodynamics to improve the efficiency of the bicycle by 10-15 per cent.

There are plenty of bigger stories worth investigating as well: which teams are going to which engines in the future: which circuits will get which races, which car manufacturers might come into the sport. We should be reading stories about secret engine projects that have been going on inside Volkswagen and what McLaren is going to do to match its philophical problem of selling road cars with its own engines and racing others with a power unit supplied by a rival car manufacturer… The team HAS to build its own F1 engines at some point or other. Could they do so with PURE? Or is it better to expand the partnership with Ricardo into the sport? Or bite the bullet and create an expensive in-house engine division?

And if there are no new manufacturers coming into F1, we should be asking why they not coming when the new regulations are so well-suited to the automobile industry…

There is never a dull moment in F1, but looking on the Web, you can see why some folk think the F1 world is boring.

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Posted in F1 people, F1 Teams, Personal musings | 91 Comments

91 Responses

  1. on July 27, 2011 at 09:00 Elephino

    The wheel nut story was quite interesting but more interesting is the general media taking Vettel’s words from the press conference that Red Bull made a great stop but not that Ferrari had a problem.


  2. on July 27, 2011 at 09:06 Garry T

    Its pretty fair to state there are only a few F1 websites that I respect for some proper news and analysis the emphasis on analysis.

    There is one in particular that comes to mind as a regurgitation of lazy ill informed non opinions being planet f1.

    Frankly however regarding news and reporting worldwide not just F1 for many many years I take with a large grain of salt what is written and reported by all media segments, The reality is its a business there main interest is to make money, integrity seems to take several seats back in the car.

    What is surprising all the so called educated society that actually believes what is fed to them daily that’s more concerning


  3. on July 27, 2011 at 09:09 Karen

    One story of minor interest to some, is that ITV have said they have no plans to re-acquire the TV rights to F1.


    • on July 27, 2011 at 09:47 joesaward

      Karen,

      You mean that they cannot afford it


  4. on July 27, 2011 at 09:10 Misty

    I couldn’t agree more Joe. There seems to be an unlimited number of mirror sites rehashing the same – usually dull – stories. No insight at all. And then there are the betting agency sites that just spam together bits of F1 articles and pretend they are news to get hits via Google.

    The keen F1 fan has to be discriminating and compile a list of trusted primary source sites. Twitter is also useful, providing you’re following the right journalists, drivers and team members. Even then there’s still a lot of PR junk to wade through.

    But I actually find the most concerning thing is that many of the journos actually attending races aren’t delivering the fans genuine insight into the goings on of the drivers and senior members of the teams due to how tamed they are. It’s all very sterile, all very sanitised and the fans are thereby deprived of a lot of important colour and insight. When reading F1 stories I spend a lot of time trying to read between the lines, which is sometimes possible, sometimes not, but it’s a pain.

    From a journalist’s perspective it must be difficult straddling that divide between maintaining access to VIPs in the paddock but not dulling your material down so much to avoid causing ripples that you turn off your readers. At the moment my view is that the majority of those writing in the F1 world are erring towards the latter.


  5. on July 27, 2011 at 09:14 Nick

    McLaren engine…..I think Ilmore should be the one to make the road and F1 engines for them….they had a long relationship with McLaren before Mercedes took over and moved over the road. They have a great racing history and knowledge of how to design and make engines…?


  6. on July 27, 2011 at 09:19 YuppieScum

    Joe,

    What credence to you give to the rumour that McLaren might buy the ailing Cosworth (in a move reminiscent of Mercedes’ purchase of Ilmor)?

    YS


    • on July 27, 2011 at 09:46 joesaward

      YuppieScum,

      What does Cosworth have that is valuable? The people? Why not buy them instead? Machines and factories are irrelevant in this respect.


  7. on July 27, 2011 at 09:44 raceoftwoworlds

    That’s why we come here! Thanks for actually doing some proper journalism rather than acting like an extension of PR departments. Not that some PR stuff shouldn’t be reported of course, but like you say they should investigate a little more or look for stories in other places – your Tour de France link for F1 is perfect and topical.

    I cannot stand the “Old driver thinks new driver will do well at circuit X” or “Driver thinks his car will improve” headlines. They never get clicked on by me, goodness knows who does bother with them. I don’t know why some of these news outlets don’t just look to another series for headlines rather than run this rubbish. Yesterday I spotted the Mclaren GT3 story – Mclaren at the Spa 24 Hours with three cars, great drivers, taking on Ferrari – with a current Ferrari customer no less, preparing cars under the works banner; what a mouth-watering prospect. Great press shots to use too, surely this mouth-watering prospect would get more clicks than some of the F1 ‘news’? The big sites haven’t even mentioned the story, I got it from the press release after a chance visit to the site.


  8. on July 27, 2011 at 09:57 sebastiano cuce'

    Hello Joe, my name is Sebastian Cuce’ and are a Italian blogger. I write when I have time on ultimogiro.com. I am very happy of this article, because I agree with you. It ‘true, many people write just for the money, but I personally take cues from the English sites I always try to build something new and much sought after. Use your blog and that of Allen, of course, without copying anything, but just taking cues. For example, on the occasion of the 100 GP Rosberg, I went to investigate and I wrote what other riders have won a victory after 100 races past.

    I wanted to ask you something. how do you get inside of those 300 journalists?


    • on July 27, 2011 at 11:26 joesaward

      Sebastiano cuce,

      You should not expect to walk into the paddock and be offered a pass on a silver tray. That is not how it works. You get it by earning it. Being smart, being clever, being mad, taking risks and doing deals. There are several youngsters trying to do that now and the good guys in the paddock will always help someone they see as being serious. When I was a youngster I got help from lots of people, who gave me advice, or a lift from A to B, or bought me a pizza when I was starving. If you want to do it, do it. The worst that can happen is that you fail. Start by trying to get a pass for your own Grand Prix and work out from there… Step by step.


  9. on July 27, 2011 at 10:07 Arlito

    Here’s an interesting story:

    http://www.pitpass.com/44285-Exclusive-Ecclestone-The-difference-between-27m-and-a-few-billion-is-quite-a-big-amount


    • on July 27, 2011 at 11:06 joesaward

      Arlito,

      It is probably just me, but I get tired of reading the word Sylt in every other sentence. Anyone would think the bloke in question is desperate for recognition.


  10. on July 27, 2011 at 10:15 Chuck Jones

    Absolutely on the mark! _”Say No More” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  11. on July 27, 2011 at 10:16 John (Other John)

    Joe,

    that was the reply that some of the other “press” deserved. I am afraid i would have been far baser, or even litigious, because some of the illogic rot out there in the past few days, makes me nigh apoplectic at the sheer inanity.

    An old one, which still may be new to others:

    How does a master prove the origin of his work?

    He makes another.

    . .

    sweet!

    – john


  12. on July 27, 2011 at 10:16 Ryan

    There is a heck of a lot of regurgitation about the place. Armchair experts are one thing, as is opinion, but don’t pass it off as news.

    Most people out there at the top of their chosen field hate posers. In Australia we have a number of applicable derogatory terms for them…

    Similar to what James Allen does with Tweets, it would be interesting to have a site somewhere that simply posts all of the team and supplier press releases, untouched. That would be fascinating.


  13. on July 27, 2011 at 10:24 Josh

    Come on Joe – New or ‘transient’ fans to the sport don’t necessarily care about engine stickers, circuit locations or potential new team rumours. This is nerdy news, things for the passionate folk in the sport.

    These people want fast gossip about driver switches, cheating scandles and wild rumours. They want headline news not minor facts about the future. Market to them using scandle, passion, excitement and aggression, not nerdy engines.

    How can you expect to attract impatient fans to a sport if you’re talking about the equivalent of Crystal Palace possibly getting promoted if the football league’s rules were to change in 2014…


    • on July 27, 2011 at 10:59 joesaward

      Josh,

      You are in the wrong place. This site is for “nerdy” people who want to know everything about the sport. If you are one of the transient types who needs inspiring then You will have to find it elsewhere. People who read this blog and generally inspired already… or wish to be. Not everyone in the world today has the attention span of a gnat.


  14. on July 27, 2011 at 10:26 Marty

    Absolutely right. Spot on article. I know a handful of individuals at a famous South-West London publication – which includes my step-sister – and I can say first hand that most of the younger journos get too star-studded. “Oh my God today i saw Lewis Hamilton, he was sitting down eating a twix about 4 tables away from me, and then I spoke to Jermain D’Ambrosio about how he felt his season was going so far”. Its not great is it?

    As you rightly say, most younger Journalists are paid a very small basic salary, and when a Team throws a fancy brunch with a top driver there and and some generalised-vague-summarising quotes it’s easy to gush on a non-story. They’re just happy to be there, ignoring the fact that they’re supposed to be reporting.

    Joe and James Allen are the only 2 F1 Journos i read.


  15. on July 27, 2011 at 10:26 John (Other John)

    YuppieScum,

    you do have a point, tech firms often buy whole companies for the people.

    But, when they do, it is because they simply don’t want litigation for poaching, so they implicitly accept there is a desirable target, and pay a premium. During critical tech phases, even tiny companies might make hundreds of acquisitions a year.

    Corollary to this, the current web v.next startup field is basically just trying to prove competence, led by some dubious micro VC funds. Yes, it is nice for 20 somethings to be initiated into business life. But that route would not work for “hard sciences” engineering. Next time you see “22yr old sells startup for n million”, imagine they have yet to embark on anything close to what a life designing engines requires by way of study. Hey, i was in business on my own account, at that age, and i was lucky enough to be told by people i trusted, that i needed closer to two decades more learning to get anywhere. So, i’m not bashing on anyone.

    However, i’m fairly sure Cosworth is run down, out of ideas. Renault is the new Cosworth. Does it matter a whit, to fans, what a good, available, powerplant is called? Or is it DFV nostalgia?

    – j


  16. on July 27, 2011 at 10:27 Ryan

    … also I’m surprised one of these dropkicks (read GMM) hasn’t discovered the clearly obvious link between Webber picking up the stranded Alonso and the fact that they will be team mates next year. Scoop! I wonder if these guys get a few cents more for investigative pieces?

    Just to confirm please read the above in a sarcastic tone.


  17. on July 27, 2011 at 10:32 Ago

    Hi Joe! Thanks again and again for the excellent job you are doing, I agree with you there are not many places where we, the real fans, can find info…
    On that matter I have a question I believe you can answer,or find the answer:
    - I have been wondering for a while if teams can program the ECU (= write some code) or simply change parameters (=values). I know that ECU is provided with software (FIA approved) but as an IT guy (however very remotely connected with this sort of computing) I think there is room for some sort of coding (specific subroutines)… Can you help me ?
    Many thanks in advance Joe.


    • on July 27, 2011 at 10:57 joesaward

      Ago,

      I do not believe that software people can fiddle with the FIA systems


  18. on July 27, 2011 at 10:55 DeZ (Rotterdam, Netherlands)

    Joe have you got any information on the (Belgium)Wallonian government about their intention to sell the circuit of Spa-Francorchamps?


  19. on July 27, 2011 at 10:58 Oldtony

    Joe you suggest it should be in the interest for manufacturers to be interested in the upcoming F1 regs. The new regs have in fact moved further away from relevance with the move from the L4 to the V6 and further tighteneng of acceptable variations in specification.
    It seems far more likely the, judging by the TWG report post Le Mans, that the regulations for the Endurance Sports Car (LMP1) competition will be far more attractive.
    Maybe F1 has let it’s entertainment and celebrity culture out wiegh it’s motor sport culture again.
    But then as the media industry that you discuss seems to put the emtertainment and celebrity culture ahead of report news and facts I suppose that is what we should expect.


    • on July 27, 2011 at 11:01 joesaward

      Oldtony,

      You have obviously not read the new rules…


  20. on July 27, 2011 at 11:02 kempa007

    Dear Joe,

    I regulary read your blog, because you have interesting point of view on the whole F1 circus. Everything you wrote above is right. But this is internet, this is freedom, you are not anonymous, even if many of people thinks they are and I don’t know why you are so angry on what someone else is publishing, coping etc. etc. It is not your first post with such statements. Just do your own job, because you are doing it very well. In the end evrything depends on users. If someone wants to read stupid “news” and waste his time, then he will. You can’t stop him of doing it.


    • on July 27, 2011 at 11:17 joesaward

      kempa007,

      Yes, but it does no harm to tell them. Some will read it and realise the error of their ways…


  21. on July 27, 2011 at 11:03 Herring

    I was particularly astonished to read on Monday morning that “Williams technical director Sam Michael says the team will investigate the cause of the oil leak that forced Rubens Barrichello to retire from the German Grand Prix.” At which point I decided the stolen glances at the beeb’s gossip column and the stories linked to by it that I can get away with at work would not be worth it and waited till my lunch break and the opportunity to tuck into GP+ for 45 minutes.

    I don’t think the population at large has any idea what proper journalism is, what a proper journalist is or what it means to be one. Not that I’d feel confident of being able to explain it myself. I do feel a little empathy though, I think, as a scientist. Because it’s fairly obvious that the population at large don’t understand what science is either, or what it means to be a scientist. Of course, the scientific community are often keen to blame that on poor/superficial journalism, but they don’t necessarily grasp the extent to which they need to work with the media to change that.

    Not sure I agree that the Murdoch papers “blurred” the line between doing things for the public interest and doing things for profit. It’s pretty clear which side of that line they fell on. They might occasionally have done things that were in the public interest, but that was never why they were doing them.


  22. on July 27, 2011 at 11:03 Rob Kay

    It’s an interesting article again, Joe. I’m usually puzzled by the amount of ‘product’ on news aggregators like newsnow, j you’ll find that a limited amount of re-editing has just simply created a new listing for the same information. How to filter through this? I find myself daily on sites like yours and some others and weekly on ones like Scarbsf1 which offer a technological background. I don’t use official team sites as there is so little to gain from reading them. We are all different and therefore it is understandable that some do not like reading yours or Adam Coopers take on what’s happening in F1, but I can’t help feeling that I must be missing out on something. How do I find out which is reputable?

    Another point is that certain things do hardly get reported. I enjoy visual information and enjoy Craig Scarborough’s drawings as well as pictures of the more unusual parts of F1. I can remember that when Spa was refurbished there were weekly pictures of the progress which I found greatly rewarding, and found the pictures of the development in Korea as fascinating although harder to get by. currently we have seen some pictures from the Buddh Circuit in April and a few of the development of the grandstands earlier this months. It’s a shame that this isn’t published to a wider F1 audience, although I guess this can be more of a PR decision rather than journalistic research


  23. on July 27, 2011 at 11:03 Josh

    Exactly Joe, I certainly am a nerdy F1 obsessive, for around the last 20 years.

    I’m just saying that your style of F1 journalism won’t bring in nearly as many new fans as the style you’re slamming.


    • on July 27, 2011 at 11:16 joesaward

      Josh,

      Casual fans come and go and one should not focus on them. Autosport made that mistake in the late 1990s and ended up by losing its solid hard core of fans and finding that the new here-today-gone-tomorrow fans did not have the same loyalty. I would prefer to build this blog brand for the F1 nerds/industry and have them all onboard in a few years when the advertising industry will perhaps be ready for us… In any case, what makes you think that having a lot of Internet readers brings you money? I used to believe that but then I worked on http://www.grandprix.com for 10 years and created a huge audience and it did not translate into cash. Maybe in five to 10 years, with a big staff of ad salesmen, that will start to work – when the culture changes – but right now it is only working with the really massive websites with huge staffs.


  24. on July 27, 2011 at 11:18 OXO

    Well Sylt having previously defended BE and claiming that it was impossible for him to have paid Gribowski, is now defending the fact that BE DID pay Mr Gr… Where’s the integrity in reporting?


  25. on July 27, 2011 at 11:24 iain

    I do agree Joe but the problem is the web is ’24/7′ so people feel the need to try and provide constant coverage where non exists. I remember when all you had was motorsport once a month autosport once per week and on a GP weekend nothing on the TV until sunday (maybe you’d get half an hour of qualifying if Mansell was doing well- interupted by crown green bowling)
    I’d be waiting for the Friday paper to see how Thursday practice times went etc etc – ooh 4 day GP weekends, remember them?
    People become obsessive and don’t seem to realise that its the same stories every week, people who love the sport know where to get the good/relevant stuff and can spot the regurgitation a mile off. Its an unfortunate side product of the fair weather fan that they demand constant bites of ‘news’ to fan the flames of their hamilton/vettel/alonso obsession which causes this phenomena (and the fact that a real story would require concentration and focus to read) So I’m afraid its here to stay, sadly.


  26. on July 27, 2011 at 11:25 Josh

    Joe,

    I see what you mean and you’re spot on about autosport. No guesses for when I stopped buying it. Then they thought it would be a good idea by not making certain articles available freely online – end result is I don’t bother even visiting their site.

    Now they try to monetise that traffic by placing copious amounts of ad-links, each begging for clicks. Eurgh.

    You’ve certainly done a good job of building a respected blog (not to mention GP+) and it’s often reflected in the general standard of reader’s comments. Comparing them with the ‘So who do u fink will win da race?’ comments that plague other blogs only cements this.


  27. on July 27, 2011 at 11:38 DonDahlmann

    I am a Journalist, I know how to do my work properly, and I have a small website called racingblog.de (in german), so I am one of those “bloggers”. I have a few contacts, so I am able to write my on stuff. I did Interviews with Vettel and other guys, but I am honest enough to say, that I am picking up stuff via Twitter and other websites. I try to attend as many races as I can get, and I can afford most of the travelling – but here comes the problem: the accreditation. I know, that the mediapool is already packed, and that it is hard for the FIA and Ecclestone, to pick the “right” ones. But it is practically impossible for me to get an accreditation, even if I can prove, that I am doing proper journalism.

    I talked to James Allen recently about that problem. The only way to get “in” at moment, is an invitation from a sponsor or a team. But then again – this is not the way, I prefer. But I take those invitations, to get some more contacs at the track. (Will be in Spa and Singapure)

    So, there would maybe more investigative journalists in the paddock, if the F1 would revise their accreditation policy.


    • on July 27, 2011 at 19:32 joesaward

      Don Dahlmann,

      The passes can be got if you use your imagination.


  28. on July 27, 2011 at 11:43 Ben

    Joe,
    Don’t change a thing! This blog is amazing in the detail and depth. Only James Allen comes even close to approaching the quality of your articles. ScarbsF1 is also good from a very technical perspective, but I do wonder how often he’s actually reported from the races as opposed to writing (very interesting) analyses other people’s materials.

    But no-one else covers the business, industry and politics as well as you do, by a country mile!


  29. on July 27, 2011 at 11:47 Mark

    Hi Joe, I agree with your sentiments, but sometimes the professional journos get it wrong too, see: http://f1professor.wordpress.com/
    Mark


  30. on July 27, 2011 at 11:58 Jon Wilde

    Joe,

    I managed to wrangle my self a paddock pass for the race at the weekend, it was an absolute delight to spend the weekend on the other side of the paddock fence. I spotted you chatting away to a guy (excuse my ignorance) from Ferrari on Saturday after qualifying, but you looked busy and I didn’t have the guts to say hello.

    Anyway, a life time’s ambition was achieved, now I need to figure out a way to repeat it.

    To the point of your article I heard a lot from teams at the weekend commenting on how frustrating the media’s need to create stories has become, and how in the end it can create issues for everyone. How can F1 provide it’s fan base with the daily stimulation it has come to expect without sensationalising trivial stories? There must be a solution!!

    What’s your take on teams working on old engines as part of a development plan for the future. I’m sure the likes of BMW and Toyota would have been happy to sell off their engine assets when they left the sport. Surely these, irrespective of the new regs, would provide a strong starting point for than in house engine.

    Keep up the good work


  31. on July 27, 2011 at 12:22 Matt

    Joe,

    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Quit wasting time with your ’90′s inspired e-magazine and build a network of reputable writers and bloggers. You, Peter Windsor and James are a good start. Each team (or at least the big ones) will have a blog that is focused on that team (not run by the team ofcourse) similar to ESPN’s truehoop network for the National Basketball Association.

    Matt
    Australian Autosport Community


    • on July 27, 2011 at 13:20 joesaward

      Matt,

      Thanks you for your 2030-inspired idea, please enlighten me as to how you think this makes money…


  32. on July 27, 2011 at 12:25 kempa007

    joesaward,

    Of course, but I forgot to mention that many of ‘monkey typers’ (as you described them in one of your posts) are flooding internet because they like Formula 1 and many of them are great fans and more or less have a quite huge knowledge, but they are not insiders, because F1 is very closed enviroment. You have a privilege to be so close and I suppose that evryone on this blog would like to swap with you for one F1 weekend :-)


    • on July 27, 2011 at 13:15 joesaward

      kempa007

      One earns privileges


  33. on July 27, 2011 at 12:26 Jakob Schmidt

    Hi Joe,
    As always I enjoy digging into the deeper meaning of F1, and everything that surronds it. That´s why I read your blog.
    As you know I too have a blog, delete the link if you don´t feel its appropriate, at formulaoneupdate.wordpress.com.
    I am probably one of those bloggers you comment on, and that´s fine by me. I don´t have the funds to travel to the races, my my would I love to, and I don´t have the phone number to Michael Schumacher so we can arrange a lunch and talk about the good old days. I only have my words and my pen, so to speak.
    And with that I do like Sebastiano Cuce does, which is carefully selecting the news stories I think has something deeper, then excavate them and add additional info to them. Like Button´s 200th race this weekend. Good for him, but really a non-existing story. I then added some of his race career, talked about the tough years at Honda.
    I never pretend I am anything else than a blogger, and I am fine with that. I would like to think that I am in between the copy-pasters and the journo´s. But until I manage to get into the paddock myself, I think I am doing a proper job.
    I love your work and respect what you have build up over decades and I can only hope that some day I too can stand shoulder to shoulder with you and Peter, and Gregory and Lee and Ted and …..
    Oh and Pitpass sucks!


    • on July 27, 2011 at 13:15 joesaward

      Jakob,

      As I said, I have no problem with bloggers, as long as they are honest about what they do.


  34. on July 27, 2011 at 13:17 Jodum5

    Your post makes me miss Atlasf1 (autosport.com now). They had great news and feature articles. Most of the staff and their brilliant (if not a little cranky) editor have gone now unfortunately. Joe, were you familiar with them while they were around a few years ago (I think autosport took over sometime between 04 and 06)?


  35. on July 27, 2011 at 13:26 John (Other John)

    Joe,

    askance about the sECU,

    the keyword, as Benetton might recall, is “reentrant code”, or it’s cousins, self modifying code or covert channels analysis.

    From what i understand, the FIA checksum what is loaded into the sECU, and are thorough about checks.

    But there do exist ways around everything (presumably if you built the perfect system there would be no need of laws?) and the only computing system to ever directly address this was called Multics. (there are others, but none ever escaped the lab)

    Hacking, i mean the real positive kind of computing, not the pejorative the word has been connotated by misuse, gets around some particularly funny problems. There is microcode in processors, telling them how to execute commands. That much is software, but no software would be aware of it directly. Intel often update this, you can see revisions against the stepping codes, on their website.

    In theory, we could go look at a who’s who of F1, and i could list the company names which background suggest who has such talent. Very inaccurately. Many false positives. But that would be a negative thing to do, and i never met anyone who had the skills who would stoop to such levels. “hacks”, the kind, say, of making a lousy consumer router do a proper job, happen when someone finds out what the hardware actually is.

    Bottom line, i do not think messing with the sECU is feasible, but that doesn;t rule out theoertical yet real, not imaginary, possibilities.

    I would suggest further, that the emphasis is not there, it’s elsewhere.

    Coulthard quipped on the broadcast. how he had his ECU programmed not to lift in certain corners, even if he took his foot off for a confidence lift. I’m not against that kind of tailoring, it brought me great races to watch, but there is small chance of it going on. . . ..oops, forgot this was F1! :-)

    these tangents do not satisfy my “MW WDC” lust, sadly,

    – j


  36. on July 27, 2011 at 13:35 Matt

    Joe,

    Same way the teams make money, sponsorship. If this isn’t enough, charge a subscription fee for premiums content like ESPN’s insider service. I would more readily subscribe to receive content delivered to me in HTML than in a cumbersome PDF. The same work you’re doing and killing yourself every Sunday evening to put together into a faux magazine would be much better served as a steady stream of premium content posted on a blog or editorial site like Grantland (http://www.grantland.com)

    The static nature of a PDF is only limiting what you can grow Grandprix+ into. You obviously realise the importance of the internet otherwise you wouldn’t be here, but there’s so much more potential in browser delivered content than the e-magazine model has to offer.


  37. on July 27, 2011 at 13:51 Ash

    What I’m wondering is why is Bernie using Pitpass/Sylt as his tame journos? I thought he generally went to The Times for that sort of thing?


    • on July 27, 2011 at 19:30 joesaward

      Ash,

      Control


  38. on July 27, 2011 at 13:51 ididnt

    Joe, whilst I loosely agree withy our point re. armchair experts, at the same time, you do sem to be saying that the only people genuinely qualified to write about F1 are seasoned veterans (like yourself). Anyone in their 30s who may be starting out, is an un-qualified idiot bore, who knows nothing, even if they have given up their career to run a very-well visited F1 website for example.

    Is there a new breed of F1 journalist out there? DO you consider the vast majority of those who visit this blog, to be people of little to moderate intelligence?


    • on July 27, 2011 at 19:30 joesaward

      ididnt

      Read the comments about helping youngsters


  39. on July 27, 2011 at 14:06 StephenAcworth

    So who makes the Mclaren road engine? Good place to start maybe to decipher where they will go for their race engines…


    • on July 27, 2011 at 19:29 joesaward

      StephanAcworth,

      Ricardo


  40. on July 27, 2011 at 14:10 John (Other John)

    Josh,

    good point.

    But why should anyone go through an initiation as to tabloid journalism? That market panders to the adult lot who do not wish to think. I believe the Romans had a good idea with Toga Praetextus. Basically, do not mess with unformed minds, else be HDQ. You could simplify: speak as you would be spoken to.

    . .

    sebastiano cuce’

    just try. Please do. You may find insight along the way, you do not have to be perfectly formed to start out.

    I think i went a bit hard on the “mad” part of what i was doing, when i started. I had tons of help when i was young, but so does everyone, it’s how things work, and older people respect that idea. What is very cool about being young, is you need not bother too much about being right darned stupid. They’ll brush you off as a kid, majority anyhow. Because people are busy, not anything personal. You get to fail and no-one bothers. That leads to feeling a bit alone, but so does everyone else.

    Might be a clue, to talk to people who have sons your age, who are better tuned in like that. I should warn you off 30 somethings, as they usually have something to prove, in any game if they are at that young, at the top, they are ruthless. I recently was one. (ruthless, i mean, not top of my game, that takes a bit more!)

    Forgive me my generalizations.

    But also heed the many warnings, here and everywhere, that blogging may not put bread on your table. Meet people. End of advice :-)

    yours,

    – john

    (sorta on holiday)


  41. on July 27, 2011 at 14:25 rpaco

    Well I was sitting here holding my breath waiting for Joe to give us the low down on the Lotus twins in court yesterday, and on anything more he has heard from or about Bernie and his possible forthcoming criminal record and he said there is no story out there at the moment.

    FYI in the UK top gear including the new Lotus F1style car/team to hire is repeated tonight on BBC2 at 20:00 (and there we were waiting for Bahar’s new masterpieces, still waiting, not holding breath)


  42. on July 27, 2011 at 14:47 AuraF1

    Obviously all journalism in print is facing the monetization crisis. How do you sell top-end journalism? Pay-wall seems to be the only hope so far – and you seem to be doing an excellent job with GP+ although I doubt it’s going to buy you that classic car collection any time soon.

    Perhaps you can find a Russian oligarch to buy you out and sponsor your journalistic endeavours like some of the newspaper groups seem desperate to do?

    Although perhaps being your own boss is (semi) reward enough…


  43. on July 27, 2011 at 14:57 cyberspacesomewhere

    Joe, I would love to read about secret engine projects at VW.

    They wouldn’t be secrets then anymore though…

    You might make money from Matt’s idea by building up lots of dedicated readers on your site, a few ads, lots of active forums then build it up for a few years and sell it to your old buddy Mr R Murdoch in the next boom… ha.

    The magazine industry is dead for me now, and as our money moves online more we should see the “click to read on” model becoming more viable. The Kindle/ebook system works well too. Even I have paid for something on the net, also on my idevice, and I am an old school “everything on the internet should be free” diehard. I still believe that (cheap/broke) but the easier it becomes to pay to play on the net the more I am doing it (lazy). Loved what Drivers Republic/SkiddMark tried to do, for anyone familiar, and it was a breath of fresh air for me. Hopefully the near future. Give me 2013, not 2030, please!

    Now that apple et al have decided all our data will be in the “cloud” and we will have to charge our itunes account to turn on our computers I think an online magazine/blog/forem/ebook site would be something readers might spend a few dollars on. Joe, I would have bought your books by now if there were Kindle versions that were a few bucks. If the ibookstore exists yet I might look there one day too. Lucky I don’t have a TV apple because if I’d seen your TV ads I never would have bought my beloved iphone(s), but thats another story.

    Maybe we can all chip in to pay you to write that secret VW engine article… where do I click!


    • on July 27, 2011 at 19:26 joesaward

      cyberspacesomewhere

      http://www.grandprixplus.com


  44. on July 27, 2011 at 15:11 bloomsm

    Good to see support for fan blogs. Sometimes on this blog, it appears as if Joe disapproves of anyone not holding an FIA hard card.


  45. on July 27, 2011 at 15:23 cyberspacesomewhere

    Ago and Joe, if I recall correctly perhaps McLaren could tell you if there was anything undocumented in the ecu because they made it.


  46. on July 27, 2011 at 15:41 Jakob Schmidt

    Thanks Joe:)


  47. on July 27, 2011 at 15:59 Martin,UK

    I visited one site today directed there by a tweet to find that apparently Eddie Jordans coat was a tribute to Columbo (odd seen as he said he’d borrowed it from someone at sauber) and that Red Bull have made a complaint to the FIA about Alonso not getting his car to parc ferme and want him disqualified from the race (surely someone more credible would have blogged about this if it were the case), then to top it all off a quote from an apparent Royal Corrsepondent saying “the National Anthem will not change for Mr Frickin Hamilton” odd language for a royal correspondent.

    A whole site thats quite professional looking, full of made up drivel that has no facts to back it up. What worries me is that uneducated fans may read and believe it.

    As others have said there are very few people reporting on F1 actually worth following and unfortunately the best ones aren’t as easy to find.


  48. on July 27, 2011 at 16:08 Nick Spriggs

    Not completely off topic there’s an interesting article over here about citizen reports and how the new social media outlets are affecting journalism:
    http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2011/07/27/social-media-and-the-new-wave-of-journalism/


  49. on July 27, 2011 at 17:04 Tony

    McLaren know exactly how to organise new engines, don’t forget they got The Tag engine built to order to the extent of laying down the law concerning packaging.It would be no surprise to see them doing it again. I always think Lewis Hamilton is an example of this kind of thing, years in development but exactly McLaren’s idea of a perfect racer.


  50. on July 27, 2011 at 17:10 Jo Torrent

    Joe,

    The MP4-12 has an engine made by Ricardo, a gearbox by Graziano and a carbon chassis made in Austria. These are the car’s main components, how on earth can such a thing be called a McLaren ?

    With the bicycle, they’re following Virgin trend of giving its name to any & everything. Cavendish made a habit of winning 99,99% of the sprints on LeTour. The McLarenish bicycle changed nothing in that respect


    • on July 27, 2011 at 19:20 joesaward

      Jo Torrent,

      The inspiration…


  51. on July 27, 2011 at 17:17 steve (fr)

    @Matt – An approach that works for the followers of one particular sport doesn’t necessarily make for a template that can be copy/pasted for other sports. The NBL is probably not a good example because basketball has a team loyalty aspect that is not as pre-eminent in F1.

    There’ll always be a place for quality content, insight and commentary and that’s where I’ll be directing my eyeballs. Quite the opposite of an online forum in fact…


  52. on July 27, 2011 at 17:21 Rob

    I am missing the point…. and how is this different from newspapers or any other “reporting” that has been going on for decades…. A very few are actually present at the event and the others liberate what they like from what they have read or talk about what others have said…… It’s always been at least 3rd hand before the unwashed masses (which I am a part) have read anything.

    Some fan blogs if you like have FAR better analysis then the people just covering the event for the paper or whatever.

    As for driving traffic by grabbing sensational headlines… well… yeah television and newspapers have not been doing that for decades right…. please…..


    • on July 27, 2011 at 19:19 joesaward

      Rob,

      Yes, you are missing the point


  53. on July 27, 2011 at 17:29 CJD

    Joe. You have no need to be so fed up about the less professional F1 writers because they often damage their own cause. I had a subscription to Autosport many years ago when their star writer got so unbalanced about Mansell that he became unreadable. He wanted to write sentences like “Senna’s awesome majesty etc” and NM kept on rocking his boat. I cancelled my sub because of that small deer and have never been back. (I deleted the next sentence and wisely so)

    Rest assured that your silent readers are more than able to spot the time wasters.


  54. on July 27, 2011 at 17:58 Ben Harris

    Well said Joe about Autosport. They (and Motoring News for that matter) were just magnificient when I started reading in the early 1990′s, when you were still there, to the point where I thought they would have to do a lot wrong to make me go away…they did! I survived with Autosport till the 2004 revamp…the motor sport journalistic landscape has certainly changed a lot since then…Mind you from a personal perspective it hasn’t worked out too badly at all, with a Motor Sport magazine and Grand Prix + subscription I’m getting a heck of a lot of great writing for pretty darn fair money! Hope the both publications go from strength to strength in the future, it is definately deserved..Just one point to Josh above, tbh I think the paid for website articles are the only good bit of the Autosport empire left – certainly the ones by messers Dodgins, Cooper and Rencken anyway, although at 89p a throw it is significantly less good value than a Grand Prix + subscription…Oh and one bad admission to make vis a vis a Pitpass – always been a big fan of the columns of Mike Lawrence (and his books), don’t pay a lot of attention to the rest of the site though!


  55. on July 27, 2011 at 18:51 Stephan

    Joe, you are a good journo, but you also have professional journo’s which needs to make themselves interesting by copying the masters like Joe or to make themselves interesting. You write about the Ralph Lauren exhibition and talk about the expensive polo. What do I read later, a similar remark on the blog of Adam Hay Nichols. Then he writes about the Lux-Sutil saga (Sutil scandal: I suppose I’m witness X) that he might be witness X. When I read this, I mailed him with the question “how can you consider yourself a witness when you have to ask what happened to other people’. No reply. The two best blog’s are for me Joe and James Allen. They report on another level.


  56. on July 27, 2011 at 19:06 Charlieman

    Thanks for taking the time to reply to comments, Joe.

    My interest in motorsport started with F1 35 years ago, and I still follow it closely. But modern F1 isn’t the motorsport that I most watch and I can no longer afford to attend. One F1 meeting == three MotoGP. When I watch the sport live, it’ll generally be a UK club event comprising ten races. Seven of them will be not so interesting and three will be cracking good ones.

    I don’t know how well Autosport covers club/national racing — in the 1970s and 1980s, the coverage was good enough to spot the rising stars. But Motor Sport magazine’s coverage of the events that its readers attend — historics, classics, VSCC etc — is very modest. Typically, it is 1,000 words with some lovely photos.

    There is a lot of scope for bloggers and amateur journalists to cover events that are not F1. For a start off, the participants are very accessible; they are enthusiasts or they are young people trying to establish a career in the sport. A couple of years ago, I was trying to take some detail photos of an ERA, a car that is worth four times as much as my house. The owner, who was polishing it, politely stepped aside to give me room and pointed out a few things that I might have missed.

    F1 journalism is just journalism. To get a pit pass, you need a few racing stories behind you, just as you need a few political stories to earn a House of Commons press pass.


  57. on July 27, 2011 at 19:27 Antiriad

    Yes lets hope McLaren do take the plunge in regards to an engine. Surely the investment could be justified in that it would be road relevant…


  58. on July 27, 2011 at 19:28 Ago

    Joe I was not thinking that teams were fiddling, in any way, shape or form, with the FIA approved code, just asking if there was room for some code to be written in a perfectly legal and authorised way.
    My question -you might have guessed- is coming from the recent controversy about what can be done with the engine behaviour…
    To illustrate my concern we could take the example of a programmable calculator: You can add your own functions if -and only if- they are a combination of the available ones. So you don’t change anything to what the calculator can do however you have some flexibility with what it does…. Changing values by contrast would be like typing the data you want but using only the built-in functions… Am I a bit clearer… for a frenchman I mean ;-)


  59. on July 27, 2011 at 20:25 Lon

    Jo Torrent – F1 has always been a kit-car assembly business, and (especially as most of the teams have historically been based in Britain) has been similar in many ways to the kit-car nature of most famous British road car marques, including the vaunted McLaren brand. Don’t forget the McLaren F1 road car had a german designed and built BMW engine and a Weismann gearbox designed and built in the good old USA. This trend has only increased both in racing and road cars over the last 20 years or so. Want to guess how many different countries supply fully assembled components for the Veyron, or the Ferrari 458, or any given F1 car, or the Airbus A380. Answer: A lot. For a long time the myth persisted that Ferrari were the only F1 team that actually built their entire car, and the other manufaturers were merely assembleres of pre-built parts. Yeah, well now they all do that, Ferrari included. No car company in the world build their entire car, period. The 458 and the MP4/12C use the exact same dual-clutch gearbox built by Graziano (IIRC). McLaren will never “build” their own engine, they will simply continue to contract that out to a proven specialist, same as the monocoque, gearbox, etc. Oh, by the way, the first carbon fiber chassis tub in F1, the McLaren MP4? Built by Hercules Aerospace in Utah. As Joe said, the key is in the inspiration of the design. Who builds it is largely a financial decision.


  60. on July 27, 2011 at 23:03 takastrat

    Im afraid I can’t take pitpass seriously with the extreme irony that they do not have a pitpass. Maybe it should be renamed Sylt.com


  61. on July 28, 2011 at 02:08 Matt

    @steve (fr)

    I guess the Tifosi are something I’ve imagined. Should probably tell James Allen he is wasting his time with the dedicated Ferrari section on his website too.

    Matt
    Australian Autosport Community
    (…and McLaren lifer)


  62. on July 28, 2011 at 07:20 rpaco

    “What does Cosworth have that is valuable? The people? Why not buy them instead? Machines and factories are irrelevant in this respect.”

    Ah, but assuming you get the castings made outside, you still need the machines to shape, surface, hone, drill, plug, your block and head. You also need the measuring equipment to check each of the machining operations and the people to operate them. (Amongst others, I used to design machines to wash blocks and heads between machine tool operations, you need to clear the swarf correctly or it interferes with the finish) These are usually different guys to the ones that design and in any case you must have autonomous quality planing and control throughout the whole system. (the “planning” being the most important part in both design and manufacture)

    I read yesterday of the uk based car manufacturers bemoaning the shortage of design engineers with the proper qualifications in which maths looms large. This is mainly their own fault for making most of them redundant many years back and relying on contract engineers to a huge degree. (One well known, still current car, was entirely outside contract, designed, the production line laid out, the parts sourced, the key handed over and no one outside the industry is any the wiser. The manufacturer in question had shed it’s design capabilities as cost saving ten years before. Overall it’s a saving because they don’t have to pay the contract engineers any more, nor pay their pensions or NI. Sad! Japan takes it seriously and will be influential in a lot of new car designs, indeed you see Japanese guys in lots of unexpected places in the industry, the all speak English better than us, are mega qualified and all look about 16. (Deceptive! When I was at Pioneer, a guy we had once from head office in Japan to learn the European way and how the UK market differed from it, we had assumed was a trainee of about 18, turned out he was 32 and had more qualifications than the rest of us put together).
    Undergraduates do not set out to be contract engineers with an uncertain future, they want a career with a major industry player. But the same changes in the supply chain have reached into all areas of car manufacture with some suppliers now delivering to the lineside station and responsible for replenishment, instead of just to the stores. It’s cheaper than storing it yourself.


  63. on July 28, 2011 at 07:45 India!

    What’s the likelyhood of the Indian GP making the start line given the state of the circuit and we’re only 3 months away…


  64. on July 28, 2011 at 08:13 Canehan

    Matt:

    The GP+ format is not readily changeable after it is produced (apart from minor technical fixes) – and that, I think, is a great advantage for Joe. While it’s clearly hard work putting it out on Sunday nights, it is then *finished*. If he did GP+ in a browser/HTML format, there would be a temptation (and probably a demand from subscribers) for it to be constantly updated, and the work would be endless.

    Better, I believe, for him to stick to the GP+ .pdf format. Keeping the blog up to date is work enough.


  65. on July 28, 2011 at 12:40 Kate Walker

    Want to be an F1 journo? Then do what I did…

    * Combine your existing day job with unpaid writing work for as many reputable websites as will take you. Abandon all hope of a social life. You can’t afford one, in either time or money.
    * Volunteer to pay your own travel costs if the website will organise your accreditation.
    * Use your annual leave from paid day job to travel to as many races as you can.
    * Save up as much money as you can afford, as you’ll need it for both travel costs and your day-to-day living expenses.
    * Quit your job, and prepare to work 18+ hours a day (for little to no money) while building up enough of a reputation that people start paying you.
    * Expect to spend your first few years travelling to/from races by public transport, staying in youth hostels, etc.
    * Forget about having relationships with all but the most forgiving friends and family – you won’t have the time.

    Then sit back, relax, and appreciate the fact that you’ve got the best job in the world. Well, relax as much as you can with a permanently empty belly and 20,000 words to write before Monday, anyway.

    Kate

    http://www.girlracer.co.uk
    http://www.gpweek.com

    P.S. Joe isn’t pulling your leg when he talks about paddock people being friendly and supportive. There are loads of lovely people in the paddock who’ve fed me when I’ve not eaten all weekend, or given me lifts back to the middle of nowhere when I’ve missed the last public bus. I feel more privileged to have met such a great group of people than I do having a paddock pass. (Although that’s great too!)


  66. on July 28, 2011 at 13:59 AT

    I agree that there are good F1 writers, and bad F1 writers. I tend to get my F1 “feed” via twitter, and I’m clearly not selective enough in who I follow because I do see a lot of repetitive dross, not counting the retweets of interesting articles. I’m always very pleased to see a tweet from you because it means there’s another interesting, well-researched and well-written article to read, which will give me insight into the hidden world of F1 and help me understand the sport better.
    But as you say, titillation and gossip will always sell. Many of us are interested in the drivers as well as what goes on behind the scenes: the “celebrities” of the F1 world, if you like. We know that what we’re being fed isn’t necessarily reliable or valid – at best it’s probably been through the PR machine, and at worst it’s nasty, vindictive tittle-tattle, written with dubious intent. But there’s still a thirst for that type of information, because we want to know more about our heroes.
    I’d like to know, who are the good, reliable journalists who can give us unbiased news or information about the drivers? Is such a thing possible? I have a lot of respect for the people who read your articles and comment here, and have taken on board their suggestions. Are there any other writers I should be following?


  67. on July 28, 2011 at 14:21 TimW

    Jo Torrent

    Yes McLaren out-source a lot of the components of their road cars, as do most manufacturers, but the cars are assembled by McLaren and more importantly designed and developed by McLaren. It is in the design and development that a car is made to look and feel like the car the manufacturer wants to sell to the public, it really doesn’t matter who glues the tub together or who puts the engine together. Besides McLaren worked very closely with Graziano Ricardo and the rest, these components weren’t simply bought of the shelf.


  68. on July 28, 2011 at 17:37 Peter A Forbes

    Joe:

    There are a lot of people involved with mechanical engineering that find F1 to be of great interest, not just on the engine side, but also in terms of other technologies such as the engine ECU, control systems, carbon fibre structures and so on. My own personal interest is on the engine side, but I run a small electronics company so I have a second interest there.

    We DO need more information coming back from the companies, their websites are no use at all for technical stuff and factory visits are heavily over-subscribed and vetted.

    I’d guess there are others in my position who have interests in other areas such as brakes, aerodynamics, tyres etc etc.

    Keep on bringing that nut & bolt stuff to your blogs, it is very much appreciated!


  69. on July 28, 2011 at 18:39 Anthony Elliott

    Joe, I have recently been reading a lot about journalism, and many of your comments also apply to video games journalism, where blogs purporting to be news outlets simply forward press releases, or copy other blogs stories for fear of being left behind or not getting page hits. Sometimes they unwittingly re-post text or pictures that they already posted a few months before! “Reviews” of games are often nothing more than the blurb from the game publisher. PR people and games “journalists” appear to be directly interchangeable (although I have no problem with that F1 Racing editor chap who went to McLaren, he has always been good value).

    As a result I have been trimming down the number of blogs and news websites I bother to check. Autosport’s free news is usually PR guff similar to what you pointed out, and I gave up their RSS feed a while ago.

    If I may say so, your articles are always excellent. From digging up some little-known background information, such as FOM/FOA’s complicated structure of parent businesses, and the politics with the circuits and debunking various rumours that I would otherwise take too seriously. Thank you.


  70. on July 29, 2011 at 00:21 Mark Vincent

    Joe, a reasoned and well considered rant! You have succinctly summarised why the fans follow you. We (I) may not always agree with your conclusions but you are an invaluable source of the inside track, particularly the financial shneeigans of those custodians of the sport we all love. It is a joy to be part of your community and be able to share, debate, disagree with other, like-minded F1 fans.
    Thanks Joe, to you and all my fellow contributors to this invaluable site.
    P.S other sites are available (Planet F1, GPUpdate etc.) but I wouldn’t bother if you are in possession of a brain.


  71. on July 29, 2011 at 13:27 steve (fr)

    @Matt

    If you re-read my comment you’ll notice I wrote “not as pre-eminent” rather than “non-existent”. You seem to have interpreted my comment as saying the latter, which it clearly doesn’t.

    The Tifosi? Yes, of course they exist, but they’re the exception rather than the rule. Which other team can boast a similarly sized supporter base which define themselves as fans of a team rather than the drivers? I don’t think you can seriously argue that team loyalty amongst fans of F1 exists in a similar way to other sports, for example the NBL or EPL. It’s like comparing apples and oranges. EPL or NBL teams are based around supporter bases in cities (although the popularity of sports spreads this globally now, but the roots are there) with their own home grounds and a team of players. There will always be a section of the hardcore fans who will have an allegiance to a particular team, but I’d argue that amongst the general viewing audience it’s drivers rather than teams that people follow.


  72. on July 29, 2011 at 13:32 steve (fr)

    Sorry, that should read “NBA”, not “NBL”, in my comment. The “NBL” is of course the Australian basketball league (with a team from New Zealand).



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