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Decisions at Force India

December 12, 2011 by Joe Saward

Force India’s Vijay Mallya says that he will name his 2012 drivers shortly. He previously said that he would name names in Abu Dhabi, but failed to deliver on that statement. The team is believed to have two drivers under contract for 2012 – Paul di Resta and Nico Hulkenberg – but Adrian Sutil did a terrific job in 2012, finishing ninth in the Drivers’ Championship, with 42 points, compared to di Resta’s 27. To let Sutil go thus makes very little sense, but at the same time if there are contracts in place for the other two drivers then the team would have to break the contract with one of them in order to keep Sutil. It should be remembered that the team has demonstrated limited respect for contracts in the past, having pushed out Tonio Liuzzi last year, despite a contract for 2011.

However, it is not as easy as that as if, for example, the team wished to drop Hulkenberg in order to keep Sutil, it would have to either respect the terms of his contract, or negotiate a settlement. Under the terms of the Concorde Agreement all contracts have a clause in which the parties involved agree to respect the decisions of the Contract Recognition Board (CRB). This is an independent body that exists in order to solve contractual disputes, without the need for court action. The CRB consists of a panel of four European lawyers, of different nationalities, who are appointed by the International Court of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce. The administration is dealt with by a public notary in Geneva and all meetings take place in the Swiss city. At such a meeting the panel reads the terms of a disputed contract and then decides whether or not it is valid. Once the CRB has made a decision a team is committed to respect the decision, but this does not mean that the two parties cannot agree to a settlement and cancel the contract, if a suitable deal can be found over compensation. If a team makes it clear to a driver that it does not want to run him, then it is fairly pointless to try to force the issue and the negotiation is over how much money the team will pay in compensation. The CRB process is conducted in secret and so it is not really clear at the moment whether this is what has been holding up the decision.

Mallya has many other things on his mind at the moment, not least the fact that his Kingfisher Airlines is struggling to survive. This organisation provided the team with $9.5 million in sponsorship in 2010 (and presumably a similar amount in 2011). His empire provided another $15.5 million and the team still made a loss of $42 million. Mallya has announced that new co-owner Subrata Roy Sahara will invest $33 million in the team in 2012, but this is still not enough to meet bills in the region of $100 million or more. Thus, money may be a problem for the team as well, as Mallya’s ability to borrow money must have some kind of a limit. The airline is finding this out at the moment as his inability to find cash means that the company is having to pay cash for fuel. Many flights have been cancelled as a result and the company’s latest news is that it is shutting down cabin crew bases in Kolkata, Hyderabad and Chennai in order to cut costs. About a third of the planes are currently grounded and slots allotted to the airline have been cancelled because they are not being used. The signs are that the company is being scaled back in an effort to survive, while Mallya tries to find someone willing to invest. The Indian government does not want to see the airline collapse and has in recent hours announced that it will allow foreign carriers to buy up to 26 percent in private Indian airlines. The key question is whether anyone will come up with cash to keep Kingfisher flying, given the debts that it has to service, and the costs that it cannot meet.

In any case, a cash-strapped or smaller airline will have less money to spend on luxuries such as Formula 1.

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Posted in F1 Drivers, F1 Teams | 64 Comments

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  1. on December 12, 2011 at 10:20 formula1uncovered

    [quote]but Adrian Sutil did a terrific job in 2012, finishing ninth in the Drivers’ Championship, with 42 points[/quote]

    Is Adrian Sutil a time traveller or can you see into the future?


    • on December 12, 2011 at 14:09 joesaward

      Or do I need a break?


      • on December 12, 2011 at 14:24 Tom I

        Be amazed if you didn’t Joe. The new comments style is great by the way. Thanks for this – and thanks from the scroll wheel of my tired ol’ mouse.


      • on December 12, 2011 at 15:04 Ambient Sheep

        Just wanted to say the welter of excellent stories you’ve produced in the last few days has been much appreciated. Great stuff, especially given it’s the off-season.


      • on December 12, 2011 at 15:05 Rich2

        You do. I for one am very grateful that you are continuing to enlighten us on all manner of proceedings – expected you to be off air now. So, thanks Joe.


        • on December 12, 2011 at 22:26 rpaco

          Not only here but also on “An aside with Joe” http://sidepodcast.com/post/an-aside-with-joe-im-sure-hell-do-an-averagely-perfectly-alright-job.


  2. on December 12, 2011 at 10:33 Brian Armitage

    Further to the woes you recount above, reports suggest that some of Force India’s bank accounts have been frozen by the Indian government.

    http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1323434284.html


  3. on December 12, 2011 at 10:43 tom trafford

    its simple you drop di resta and go for sutil and hulkenberg. That is what vj mallya will do


    • on December 12, 2011 at 14:09 joesaward

      I doubt it.


  4. on December 12, 2011 at 10:58 Another Jon

    Hi Joe, you had mentioned around this time last year, and again here, that Tonio Liuzzi had a contract for 2011 with Force India. Did that end up with the CRB? I don’t recall any mention of any settlement to Liuzzi.


    • on December 12, 2011 at 14:08 joesaward

      There was a settlement, albeit somewhat forced on Liuzzi.


  5. on December 12, 2011 at 11:06 Nick

    Interesting read, I wonder how Sahara are looking at it all? Or if they have a driver preference and will try to overrule Malaya?

    I personally want Paul di Resta and Nico Hulkenberg to race, Sutil may have done a good job towards the end of this year, but Pauls effort was sterling for his rookie season, and I would wager that there is more to come from the Hulk also.

    Sutil is good, if a little clumsy sometimes, but it has taken him 5 seasons to get there…Paul took one, and Nico scored a pole in his first season…


  6. on December 12, 2011 at 11:30 simon bates

    There is a very bright Asian airline entrepreneur already in F1 circles, woder what the chances of Kingfisher going that way


  7. on December 12, 2011 at 11:40 Tom

    …and Williams? Do you think they’ll only confirm their line-up after a Force India announcement?

    And who’s your money on? I’ve read a lot of scribbling about how well Sutil’s gone recently, but I’m sure Barrichello would have done just fine in a decent car like the 2011 Force India.


    • on December 12, 2011 at 14:07 joesaward

      Yes.


  8. on December 12, 2011 at 12:48 Ray

    Perhaps Force India could keep their 2011 line-up and loan Hulkenberg out to Williams for a year or two, thus keeping everybody happy (except Barrichello, obviously). It would be an injustice for any of their three drivers to be left on the sidelines.


  9. on December 12, 2011 at 13:08 kunihiko akai

    Joe, Sutil did a terrific job in 2011! Not in 2012 yet.(Fourth line from top)


  10. on December 12, 2011 at 13:12 Jim Hughes

    Joe, are you aware of actual Force India activity with the CRB, or is the CRB information as background to possible moves?


    • on December 12, 2011 at 14:07 joesaward

      Background


  11. on December 12, 2011 at 13:42 olav mol

    Joe , just heard rumours that Flavio has bought HRT and that Petrov has signed there. what do you know.

    Ollie


    • on December 12, 2011 at 14:07 joesaward

      I doubt that Flavio has bought anything. Agag maybe.


  12. on December 12, 2011 at 13:45 APASapasAPAS

    I hope Sutil keeps the drive. Sure Hulkenberg did well in the lower categories, but so did Liuzzi, while Vettel didn’t. It’s not a be all and end all.

    Sutil pulled out a very good season for Force India, and quite frankly swapping the stronger driver at this stage, and by some margin, for someone who hasn’t driven/raced in a year and has only 1 year of experience is quite a big gamble.

    Not to say VM hasn’t been one for a gamble in the past as you pointed out business wise, but it just seesms utternosense that a driver like Hulkenberg, somewhat impressive as his CV is, but a rather mediocre rookie season and a year off should challenge, if not dump the team leader.

    Speaking of VL, he has a multiyear contract at HRT wants it to continue while HRT have had a chequered past wehn it comes to drivers and is refusing to acknowledge VL is driving for them next year.

    I don’t think VL is of f1 quality, especially given the other drivers possibly out of a seat, but it seems to be a pattern. Contracts being broken.

    First Hiedfeld. Now Petrov. Rumours of Trulli. Sounds of Liuzzi. Rumours PDVSA contract troubles. Rumours about FI.


  13. on December 12, 2011 at 13:46 The Kitchen Cynic

    Are there any cases you can talk about where a driver has forced a team to run him? I can’t think of any in the public domain but as I suspect neither side would want to admit to that state of affairs, us muggles wouldn’t ever get to know.


    • on December 12, 2011 at 14:06 joesaward

      Not off the top of my head.


      • on December 12, 2011 at 16:07 The Kitchen Cynic

        I can’t imagine Ron Dennis fell over himself to employ Philippe Alliot but I guess if the engine supplier wants it that doesn’t really count.


    • on December 12, 2011 at 15:23 Pyaare

      Are there any cases you can talk about where a driver has forced a team to run him?
      >> That would be like George Costanza entering office barricaded by management through heating vent :)


    • on December 12, 2011 at 17:15 Eric

      Alex Caffi 1991 for Footwork


  14. on December 12, 2011 at 13:49 Gridlock

    Europe may be ‘over’ but you wouldnt think so looking at the team entry list, eh Bernie? Or is Switzerland in Asia now?


  15. on December 12, 2011 at 13:54 Lancaster

    How much influence do Mercedes have on di Resta’s place at Force India?


    • on December 12, 2011 at 19:27 Gridlock

      Free engines and KERS worth $5m, was the rumour at the time I think.

      Like Williams’ Nakajima deal, or possibly Checa at Sauber now


  16. on December 12, 2011 at 14:41 rpaco

    Looks like The prospect of an exit for VJ increases by the day. He has more problems than the Euro zone!
    There is no way that VJ is going to survive as the owner of Force India, if the team is even to start the season it has to be bought out buy someone with “loadsamoney”. He has 22 sponsors listed on the website none of which is Sahara. (which is a bit ungrateful)
    He cannot do the same as this year, issue another barrowload of new shares, since this will dilute the last lot he issued for Sahara to buy, but they may offer to buy him out for next to nothing, he is in what seems to be a weak position.


  17. on December 12, 2011 at 14:45 rubbergoat

    Joe, if Sutil gets some sort of payout, would that not make him more attractive to Williams, seeing as they are a little short of cash these days?


  18. on December 12, 2011 at 14:47 Keith

    I think by the start of the new season, we will see a change in the shareholding of the team, and VJ Mallya will be pretty much on the side lines.

    The team is in need of a Title sponsor now, and time is not on their side, nor is the global economy right now. As they have this “history” of breaking contracts, and money worries, I can see only “paid” drivers been slotted in place for the new season. So take your pick from the list of drivers with backing I guess.

    With the recent outburst by Paul Di Resta about beating Vettel in F3, in the same car, I think is a bad mistake, given all that is going on VJ Mallya little Empire.
    It could also be a signal to other teams about what I did in the past, but F3 and the step to F1 is pretty big, and lots of drivers who preformed and beat their teammates in F3 haven’t done that well in F1.
    I can think back to the British F3 season of 1994, and a certain Jan Magnussen driving for Paul Steward Racing was breaking all records and his team mate that year was Dario Franchitti. Magnussen made it to F1, and just didn’t perform as everyone though he would. Franchitti didn’t make it to F1, but went to America and has done pretty well winning a few races, as they say. Magnussen also went to America, and never reached the same level of success as Franchitti.
    Also, the joint finishers at 16th in the ’94 F3 year was a certain Christian Horner, driving for Fortec Motorsports and the other person was a guy called Giancarlo Fisichella. I am sure I have read somewhere that these two last drivers did something in F1!!

    So what I am saying to Di Resta, you may have beaten these guys in F3, but it doesn’t mean you will in F1, and his statement could mean he is not that comfortable with his situation in the team right now, knowing all that is going on.


  19. on December 12, 2011 at 15:50 Steven Roy

    The bottom line is that all 3 should be on the F1 grid so in some ways it is a nice situation to be in. I would go for di Resta and Hulkenberg because they are certain to be the big names in future and if Vijay had any sense he would lock them into contracts which he could sell on should a better offer for their services be forthcoming.

    Sutil drove well in 2011 but he does not have a record of performing at that level. And as you said in the latest podcast he is not the most technically gifted driver. Great if the team give him an easy car but if they have one that needs a bit of thought to set up he is going to struggle.

    APASapasAPAS says Hulkenber’s CV is somewhat impressive. In formula BMW which for many drivers is a 2 season formula he totally dominated the whole year. A1GP may not be the highest standard but he won so much prize money the organiser couldn’t pay him. In F3 he won the Euro series. He won the GP2 championship in his first season a feat I believe only Lewis Hamilton has equalled. And to top it off in his debut F1 season he put a Williams, A Williams on pole. This was not some well timed fluke as he did 3 consecutive laps good enough for pole. That is a lot more than somewhat impressive.

    Di Resta of course is Mercedes’ man so I assume dropping him would mean a dramatic increase in the cost of engines and Vjiay needs bigger bills like a fish needs a bike.

    I just cannot see anyway Sutil will race for Force India next year unless there is a Klien/Liuzzi type car sharing deal. I am certain Vijay doesn’t want to lose the Medion money so no doubt he is trying to engineer something.


  20. on December 12, 2011 at 16:24 Jerry

    Sutil + Di Resta. Thursday 15/12


    • on December 15, 2011 at 12:17 Jerry

      D’oh! Need to vet my sources more carefully. Martin Brundle (who one assumes knows a thing or two) is now saying it FI line up “will be” Di Resta + Hulkenberg


      • on December 15, 2011 at 13:10 joesaward

        We are all saying different things at the moment, which means that no-one really knows.


  21. on December 12, 2011 at 19:23 patrick

    Force India are no slouch when it comes to racing.

    They are ahead of some of the more established formula one teams and their drivers are quick.

    Surely a sound investment for any Indian company with global aspirations?


    • on December 13, 2011 at 13:20 Dave Myers

      Bear in mind that the team has existed since 1991, so they are hardly a new entity.


  22. on December 12, 2011 at 19:51 ste

    i wonder if tony fernandes has any spare cash


  23. on December 12, 2011 at 19:55 David Mantripp

    I thought Villeneuve pretty much forced BMW to run him, and then they did all they could to sabotage him… certainly looked that way.


  24. on December 12, 2011 at 20:57 Robin S

    Decisions coming soon they say.

    I’m tired of waiting and won’t care any more if they faff about for too long.


  25. on December 12, 2011 at 23:55 RShack

    If it ends up being Sutil and di Resta (nothing against either one of them), I will join the Hulkenberg fan club… ‘never joined anybody’s fan club before, but I would make an exception… such an outcome would be twice he’s been screwed…


  26. on December 13, 2011 at 01:28 f1addicted

    Interesting.

    Do owners care that it makes them look unprofessional, unplanned, whimsical, out of control and guideless that they cannot decide what drivers they think are best? Pathetic tinkermanship.


  27. on December 13, 2011 at 03:25 Adrian Newey Jnr

    Joe – at what point will it become critcial for the design of the car in relation to cockpit space, etc?


    • on December 13, 2011 at 08:49 joesaward

      Adrian Newey Jr,

      About three months ago


      • on December 13, 2011 at 11:05 Jem

        As regards height and weight there’s almost nothing in it, according the the Force India site they’re all between 1m83 and 1m85.


    • on December 13, 2011 at 10:46 AlexP

      AD Jr, you don’t talk very often to your father, it seems :) (sorry, I couldn’t resist…)


  28. on December 13, 2011 at 04:51 dj_ghosie (@dj_ghosie)

    Worst comes to worst, di Resta could do an Alonso and be a third driver at Merc so that he could take MSc’s seat at the end of ’12.

    But looking at VM’s financial situation, I doubt he’ll give up the free Merc engine and KERS.


  29. on December 13, 2011 at 05:43 KerbRider

    I get the picture you are not a fan of VJ. He must of scarred you somehow Joe. I get the impression from his demenour an attitude to be quite an arrogant self serving man.

    Comments you have made on the “aside with Joe” p.casts lead me to this, plus the tone of you VJ related blogs. I havnt heard/read you be so consistently negative of someone ever.

    Not a question or judgement, just an observation, that i agree with.


    • on December 13, 2011 at 08:48 joesaward

      Mallya is not someone with whom I have much affinity. This is true.


  30. on December 13, 2011 at 09:10 George

    My 2c worth… Di Resta and Hulkenberg at Force India with Sutil taking his respectable if unspectacular talent and Medion cash to Williams. To see Williams with two pay drivers would be a crying shame but they could do worse at the moment. Just my opinion of course.


    • on December 13, 2011 at 09:45 joesaward

      I am not sure there is any Medion cash. Medion was taken over this year by Lenovo.


      • on December 13, 2011 at 12:01 F430-FOX

        Isn’t Lenovo already a Williams Sponsor?
        So they may already bring “Sutil’s money” to the team.


        • on December 13, 2011 at 12:54 joesaward

          McLaren and trackside advertising, I believe.


  31. on December 13, 2011 at 09:15 forzaminardi

    I don’t have anything much against Sutil and he did do a good job toward the end of the season (I wonder how much the prospect of impending unemployment had to do with that?) but to be fair he’s had 5 seasons and only ever shown signs of being ‘OK’. Hulkenberg in my opinion has more potential, and has the difficult rookie year behind him. All things being equal (which obviously they’re not) I’d stick with Paul and add Hulkenberg.

    All things being equal at Williams to, I’d resist whatever funds Sutil has and keep Rubens. <– just thought I'd add that, for the record etc.


  32. on December 13, 2011 at 09:54 goenzoy

    I m pretty sure Paul di Resta is save as VL was kicked out because of him.
    You cant argue with CRB in 2010 for Paul just to kick him out the following.year.
    So it s really down to what contract Willy Weber has done for Nico H with Force
    India.So if they compensation is far higher when Nicos salary his job is save for
    2012.And Sutil needs to go.Away from the fact that Mercedes dont need a 3rd
    german driver as Posterboy as already Michael and Nico R is working for them.
    But for sure they are interested on a prospering Force India team and as well
    having Paul as Posterboy for the UK


  33. on December 13, 2011 at 15:34 Robin S

    The downfall of Kingfisher Airlines isn’t really a surprise or particularly serious I don’t think. Most airline businesses basically restructure themselves and become competitive by going through multiple bankruptcies. NPR’s ‘Planet Money’ podcast team covered this in their last episode.

    Funny how the worlds of Joe, Sidepodcast and NPR cross over eh?


    • on December 13, 2011 at 16:34 joesaward

      Great, I really want to invest in an airline… By the way, why would anyone invest if this is what happens?


      • on December 13, 2011 at 19:41 Robin S

        I’d imagine they’re investing for the short-term. Although bankruptcy proceedings have a habit of making pension obligations disappear and improving the terms on which you pay back your debts.


      • on December 14, 2011 at 22:07 Keith

        Sorry Joe, you can’t invest in his airline. I have you down to buy the yacht, when all his toys go up on the block. That way we can come down and have a Chat with Joe, dockside. Far nicer than at a race track don’t you think???


  34. on December 14, 2011 at 02:00 RShack

    Robin S

    > The downfall of Kingfisher Airlines isn’t really a surprise or particularly serious
    > I don’t think. Most airline businesses basically restructure themselves and
    > become competitive by going through multiple bankruptcies. NPR’s ‘Planet
    > Money’ podcast team covered this in their last episode.

    This is a very nasty trick that US airlines play… declare bankruptcy despite $billions on the bank… for the purpose of busting unions, voiding contracts, screwing workers, all to drive up profits… the CEO of American Airlines just resigned because his board decided to do this, and he thought it immoral and unconscionable.

    This is part of the continuing trend of dismantling the American middle class in favor of maximizing (not achieving, but maximizing) corporate profits. While this is a recent American disease, I am not sure how relevant this is to airlines in India and other places.


    • on December 14, 2011 at 12:43 John (other John)

      Yeah, Chapter 11 ought to be restricted to only once every year ;-)

      Sadly, as you point out, a very abused piece of legislation, by serial offenders. If The Donald can argue to keep his jet flying in bankruptcy (forget which bankruptcy, which jet . . ) well . .wrong signal for a start. If the middle class is not being laid off, their pensions raided*, re – contracted on short hours and at – will terms, they sure are getting depressed and loosing the willpower which once generated wealth of all kinds.

      Over here, we can now do pre – pack bankruptcies, if you have DIP finance, but the composition of creditors stage, even foreshortened by our “Mini Ch. 11″ is far harsher on management and a little more mindful of workforce.

      That said, a burgeoning middle class is historically a rather unusual phoenomenon. Yet we should look at it as something of an achievement, to be reenacted. (skipping please the world war then demob stage) Too much idle dross to be cut free, first, these parts, sadly, because over here we tried to impose middle class environments, not even engineer them.

      Blast it, just classified myself as an endanger species.

      *I am starting to scan the voluminous correspondence which started with my pop asking why his thrift’s pension was stripped bare of funds, ending with an offer to convene the actual board at his home address. He sat tight, stuck to guns. Old school friend whom i instinctively and genuinely trust, sits on board of a supposed pension fairness lobby group. Nope, no interest. Concerned warning actually, to not bother.


  35. on December 14, 2011 at 12:57 John (other John)

    To anyone not familiar with Chapter 11, it allows the body corporate, directors and key execs to continue functioning as they normally would, but places everything else ward of court. That nullifies most every contract downstream, an explicit provision.

    Theoretically, the directors, their pay and behavior, are also subject to court, but the original theory was intended for well meaning equity owners of a business, that they might be best placed by nature of connected life, history, and dependants to revive and repair the whole. Not so, the intended balance first intended, with optioned execs and modern board structures. Super company – friendly states like Delaware make this so much barrel-fish shooting.

    Modern board structures deny even the largest shareholders like CALPERS, Fidelity and so on, right down to whomever holds your pension, the merest chance of tabling a new slate. Want growth? (By which i mean, do you actually want to be able to retire when you are too feeble to be useful?) Fix these laws to deal with the current reality. This is the most striking hypocrisy within the “You’re Fired” propaganda. Because the board can’t be fired, it serves to encourage you to think you can be, just like that. That comment is US specific, or at least non – EZ specific, as we are driving the economy underground here, simply because 13 stages of review – miss one, pay out big time in tribunal – to fire a delinquent, is a bit much.



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