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A Spanish mystery

February 21, 2012 by Joe Saward

There is a conundrum that I have been struggling with in recent weeks. It is as follows: HRT is a Spanish Formula 1 team (in principle). It has finally decided to set up a base in Madrid, and is cobbling together a headquarters in the middle of tennis complex. Its cars are being built in Germany and it will take considerable time and money before a suitable facility will be ready in Madrid. It will take even longer to fill this with experienced F1 engineers. It is a big challenge.

In the meantime, 350km to the north of Madrid, close to the French border and much nearer to the centre of Europe than Madrid, there is a full scale F1 factory sitting unused – and a Spaniard who has vast experience in running F1 teams successfully.

Spain has an unusual political structure. It is a constitutional monarchy with government by an elected parliament, although this has devolved much of its power to regional governments that are responsible for social services, education, health, development, culture and in some cases even policing. This means that government spending is largely at regional level, although the so-called “autonomous communities” have no jurisdiction over the law, foreign policy, defence or monetary issues. They do, however, have the right to spend their money to aid economic development in their region. The Basque regional government under Juan José Ibarretxe was keen to increase the region’s independence from Spain, and invested heavily back in the early Noughties to create a stronger regional economy. This was made easier in 2008 when the central government agreed to let the Basque region control its own research and development and innovation budgets. Other regional development had been seen with the opening of the Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao, which was designed to increase regional tourism, and even with a motor race on the streets around the city, which proved to be very popular while it lasted.

The region was the pioneer is establishing Spanish technology parks, with the aim of combining international companies with universities and research and development facilities, and create high value jobs and new industries. It was into this environment that Catalan Joan Villadelprat strode some years ago, looking to turn his Epsilon Euskadi team into Spain’s first proper Formula 1 team, working with the local government and the Mondragon University to create a high profile centre of excellence. It was a good plan. Grants, subsidies and loans helped to pay for a state-of-the-art F1-standard factory in the Parque Tecnológico de Álava Miñano in Vitoria. The team built a Le Mans sports car and had plans for F1, but the political scene changed and things began to go wrong.

In the regional elections of 2009 Ibarretxe’s Partido Nacionalista Vasco (PNV) won the most seats in the Basque Parliament, but he was ousted by a wildly unlikely alliance between the conservative Partido Popular and the Socialist Party, who are arch-rivals at national level. They agreed to to work together to stop the region pushing for too much independence from Spain. Villadelprat’s revenues began to dry up, despite being involved in Basque projects such as the Hiriko city car. A year ago the new Basque government under socialist Patxi López decided not to put any further money into Epsilon Euskadi. With little income, a loss of €7.8 million over three years, and loans of €38.8 million, the organisation was in trouble. Villadelprat tried to negotiate a moratorium on loans and some additional government money, but they did not want to know. He tried to find backing from the Middle East but that too failed and the company was put into administration.

The Commercial Court in Vitoria is now sorting out the mess and has raised questions in recent days about the legality of Villadelprat selling the organisation racing team to Epic Racing Santander in April last year for €200,000 when the division was valued at €1.1 million. Epic was headed by Mark Payne, who was previously Epsilon Euskadi’s financial director.

While this is being unravelled the Epsilon factory is completely wasted. Formula 1 teams may need good staff and location is important, but they also need a place from which to work and the better the facility, the easier the job is, as long as there is money to pay people and suppliers. The Basque government is in no position to be greedy and ask too much money for what is otherwise a fairly worthless asset, which might – with the right funding – become something of great value for the region.

HRT’s policy to set up in Madrid makes no real sense, given that the Epsilon factory has everything that they need, and programmes that could be revived to train young Spanish engineers. The HRT management might be ultimately sensible and hand the management of the whole thing over to Villadelprat, who knows how to run successful racing teams and is Spanish (albeit a Catalan).

The only conclusion that one can draw from all this is that either HRT cannot afford it (which would be worrying) or a factory in the Basque country is not considered to be Spanish enough for the owners (which is bonkers). Yes, Spaniards have a right to be Catalan-Spaniards, Valencians, Basques, or whatever, but they are all supposed to be Spaniards.

Bankers are not generally unintelligent people, nor are they without contacts when it comes to raising money. Nor for that matter do they much care about things other than money-making.

So there is the mystery. What are these people doing?

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  1. on February 21, 2012 at 11:46 Ollie

    A brilliant article, with an insight you do not get anywhere else.
    Thank you, Joe.


    • on February 22, 2012 at 11:00 Interested Party

      Don’t go bonkers Ollie – it was Good


  2. on February 21, 2012 at 11:47 Wichard

    Interesting story Joe. Maybe HRT are trying to see if this outsourcing of the whole car works so they don’t need a big factory. To me, the current situation looks like a logistical nightmare and I can’t help to think ‘essential’ parts won’t pass customs again in the upcoming tests….

    I hope they make it to the grid, but with a decent car and working as a proper team, not like an Andrea Moda clone…

    Wichard


  3. on February 21, 2012 at 12:07 Robin

    It doesn’t happen too often that someone reports about these kinds of issues in F1, and again I read such a story right at this blog.

    The only reason I can think of is that they are also targeting sponsorship from a certain Spanish region. And if so it would be stupid to do so because the range of possible sponsors would be very limited, so honestly it isn’t a serious option but then again I don’t know how the Spanish think in these kinds of situations.


  4. on February 21, 2012 at 12:23 Ross Mallon (@rossmallon)

    Thanks Joe, a great story.

    The problem with HRT moving to Epilson’s factory is that it would be common sense to do so.
    As we all know common sense is often lacking within F1 and business.

    Ross


    • on February 22, 2012 at 11:05 Interested Party

      Not in this case. the issue with HRT is – assuming some money is forthcoming – that they just don’t really know what they’re doing.

      I know loads of ex-drivers (and even some team managers) that I wouldn’t trust to sit the right way round on a toilet, let alone run a big budget sports team.

      Association with a sport is not sufficient to assume that they’ll be good at other roles within it, and I suspect that HRT has started on a long (if they’re lucky) rocky road to prove this.

      (Assuming that they don’t sell soon)


  5. on February 21, 2012 at 12:31 Jack Flash (Aust)

    I share your perplexion Joe. Bonkers indeed! JF


  6. on February 21, 2012 at 12:38 F1jon

    Interesting article Joe, but no mention of a pivotal moment in the story, the FIA selection of the 3 new teams. I can’t quite remember how it came to be that Epsilon didn’t get a place, as I don’t recall that they were aligned with a non-Cosworth engine manufacturer.
    It’s such a shame that F1 is stuck with these teams, when you think of what might have been – Prodrive, Lola, Epsilon… another sorry part of Mosley’s legacy


    • on February 21, 2012 at 14:21 Stoozie

      Whilst reading Joe’s article I was forming exactly the same thoughts in my mind. When the selection process opened for the new teams I ticked off from the list the same 3 teams as “teams most likely to”. I had seen articles about Epsilon’s facilities and was impressed. Prodrive and Lola I thought had history and depth in motorsport. The selection outcome was a shock, with one of the teams, USF1 (oh how I wish they’d been named Team America) not materialising and HRT being played as “pass the parcel” since. Well done Max…


    • on February 22, 2012 at 11:07 Interested Party

      Very good point F1jon

      Joe,

      Do you know if HRT have passed the crash tests yet ?


      • on February 22, 2012 at 11:46 Joe Saward

        Some but not all


  7. on February 21, 2012 at 12:51 mikel

    Excellent explanation. Your diffusion is much appreciated Joe!

    What can you expect from basque president Mr Patxi Lopez, who did not even complete a bachelors at uni ? He is in anger with previous governments because they did a good job, regardless of their ideologies. He wont win next elections due to severe political changes in population, mainly caused by the big recession.

    Online browsing also suggest that HRT clearly wanted to be involved in taking over epsilon facilities. But probably not Joan because they could see him aligned with other political forces -this is just my opinion.

    In any case HRT is not even a spanish team. It is a financial product. So no need to worry to much.

    Nothing will happen for HRT, the team will get sold sooner than later, make some profit.

    With regard to the facilities they will remain closed. Basque elections are in march 2013, less than a year. Basque parties are meant to return to power -regardless of all the legal work that courts are planning to avoid this-.

    I bet that PNV is using legal artefacts to stop the sale of epsilon resources for HRT and reactivate the project as soon as they win back the government -something that is inevitably going to happen.


  8. on February 21, 2012 at 12:52 Mark A

    Thanks for the article, I wondered what had happened to Epsilon and why HRT weren’t trying to use that facility, which is amazing.
    In fact looking for pics it’s one of your old aricles that came up.

    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/epsilon-aims-for-f1/


  9. on February 21, 2012 at 13:01 cvrt

    Is it any different than having Bérégovoy arranging all the deals in Nevers?


    • on February 21, 2012 at 13:07 Joe Saward

      No. That did result in economic growth in the region – and continues to do so. I doubt that HRT’s arrival in Madrid will make any difference.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 13:32 cvrt

        yes,for the economic benefit of Guy Ligier…


  10. on February 21, 2012 at 13:28 Rogelio Carballlo

    You know what? All this mess comes from Mr Ecclestone first time. He had the power to let someone who was in charge of the winning Benetton and had worked at the 1988 all winning McLaren to run a proficient team, with astonishing facilities, economical support in case it could make the entry, and a support and feedback with other racing competitions. But Mr Ecclestone did like more a bunch of builders with the money of political corruption, jumping on business after throwing the one who did know about Formula 1 (Adrián Campos), with no facilites, no know-how, no real interest on the competition, and no ability at all to avoid getting embarrased. Viladelprat has always breathed motorsport. Carabante has always breathed bricks. That’s all about. And Bernie preferred formula bricked cars….

    I’m waiting your insights about why on earth did Bernie Ecclestone make that decision, Mr Saward.


    • on February 21, 2012 at 15:34 Joe Saward

      I do not believe it had anything to do with Bernie


    • on February 22, 2012 at 11:08 Interested Party

      Eh !


  11. on February 21, 2012 at 13:31 Proesterchen

    I think you very much underestimate the regional peculiarities between the Basques and the rest of Spain, to the point where your proposed hookup between the powers that are at HRT, with their odd nationalistic attitude to F1, and the remnants of Epislon Euskadi, which were once founded on what may best be described as regionalistic considerations (not trying to stir the pot, merely stating the difference in size of either interest), seems impossible without either doing a 180.

    Yes, in a fully rational world a team without a base and a base without a team would be a no-brainer combo, but when have illusions of grandeur ever fostered rational decisions?

    Beyond that, I’d question the idea of putting a man in charge of a team whose business model boiled down to being funded by the regional government, and consequently folded as soon as that support was withdrawn.


    • on February 21, 2012 at 15:34 Joe Saward

      I accept your argument, but it simply adds to the case that Spain is not the right place to set up an F1 team, if they are more worried about who is Basque, Catalan, Madrilenian or Asturian rather than who is the best person for the job, then they are never going to get the right people in the right places.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 15:55 Proesterchen

        I wholeheartedly agree, artificially restricting the pool of talent you’re recruiting from is not the way to run a competitive company.

        In the end, you’re basically pandering to rich people with prejudices to bankroll such project, and I personally find it encouraging that HRT has so far not succeeded in its nationalistic ploy, even if it may be more for the lack of riches, rather than the lack of compatibly-prejudiced people.


  12. on February 21, 2012 at 13:37 forzaminardi

    It’s as simple as politics, money and common sense being uncomfortable bedfellows. No further analysis required, really!


  13. on February 21, 2012 at 13:38 Dan D

    I have a sneaking suspicion that HRT with it’s current financial, logistical and crash test issues may not be on the grid in 3 weeks time. Shame.


  14. on February 21, 2012 at 13:44 noahracer

    HRT seems to be set in becoming the poster child for how not to start up an F1 team.
    IMO be surprised to see them at all this year.
    Great report Joe.


  15. on February 21, 2012 at 14:11 John (other John)

    They need Dumas to save them.

    Not HuRT, but Les Invalides.

    I wish them well.


  16. on February 21, 2012 at 14:12 Steve

    Well HRT have released a pic of their ‘new’ car the HRT F112.

    At least they are saving money by using the Dallara chassis. Can’t see why Pirelli are complaining about testing an old car ;)


    • on February 21, 2012 at 15:32 Joe Saward

      Lovely. Has it passed its crash tests yet?


      • on February 21, 2012 at 15:57 x2fer

        This is not the F112, but you are unable to distinguish it


      • on February 21, 2012 at 19:16 SteveH

        This one has, since it’s the F111.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 23:27 Steve

        Sorry Joe. I was mistaken. Even HRT don’t know what’s going on since they said the pic on their website was their new car.

        Hopefully they actually have a new chassis. However Ross Brawn’s comments about high noses (step caused by teams using 2011 cars) don’t give me cause for hope…


  17. on February 21, 2012 at 14:23 Zacharias

    as I’ve come to expect from you, Joe, great insight into the world of F1, far above and beyond most coverage. thanks!

    In this particular case I would like to make a remark however. I think you should not underestimate the regional indepence in Spain. We might look upon the country a a single entity, but ‘they’ do no such thing. They are Basque or Catalan first, Spanish (a remote) second. Bonkers? Maybe, but that’s cultural differences for you….


    • on February 21, 2012 at 15:30 Joe Saward

      If we accept that argument, it simply adds to the case that Spain is not the right place to set up an F1 team, if they are more worried about who is Basque, Catalan, Madrilenian or Asturian rather than who is the best person for the job, then they are never going to get the right people in the right places.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 16:24 x2fer

        Madrilenian and Asturians have no problems for to be Spanish.

        Why Spain is not the right place to set up an F1 team?… envious


        • on February 21, 2012 at 17:08 Joe Saward

          Read the blog. It is all there. And it is all obvious.


          • on February 21, 2012 at 18:35 mikel

            I do not think that nationalism is the problem here. Not in the basque case anyway. If you look at multinationals there are a few which are Basque and that does not make them better or worse. For instance Iberdrola which is branded as scottish power in scotland, funded in Bilbao and spread across the World. Gamesa, very basque and HQ in Bilbao with many members of the board openly separatists basques.

            However they are hiring talent and expanding.

            The basque is the only spanish region which could outperform with an F1 team. More than 30 GDP is from automobile, and there are loads of research about it, being Germany our largest export market.

            We attract talent from spain, europe and the world.

            The problem here is just local politics, which are very very local in both Epsilon and HRT cases.

            Epsilon benefited from a long-standing private-public funding which is a well settled tradition in the Basque Country. However it got killed due to a political thought.

            But it is not about one whole country, or about a whole way of thinking. Spain may be more or less prepared to have an F1 team, but it had the chance, and it was in the basque region. It was called to be the first world-class spanish f1 team. The rest are just “pelotazos” a way to make fast money with the f1 name. But spain is ready, and it will always be at the heart of the basque industrial tradition.

            As I said nothing to do with nationalisms. For instance look at USA. So does not california state protect sillicon valley ? Does the UK government stop protecting Cambridge or Oxford ? Why do not they start investing to create a Cambridge equivalent in Walles ? Or a new sillicon Valley in Nebraska ?

            I think that spain should be VERY PROUD -same with all F1 fans- TO HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHICH CARED SO MUCH ABOUT INDUSTRY, DEVELOPMENT THROUGH AN F1 TEAM AND ITS SURROUNDING EDUCATION.


            • on February 22, 2012 at 10:27 John (other John)

              Gotta say, the Basque people are a right serious, down to earth lot. I’ve tons of respect for them.

              California, I can think of one protection: if you marry after you are allotted shares, I understand (please don’t take my advice though!) then those shares are not common property in the mandatory 50:50 division. Attractive, for entrepreneurs, who obviously want to marry just as they are getting a bit of success, but not loose their (hopefully) life’s ambition if things go wrong.

              Oxbridge, well, no idea if they are protected at all. The last government swamped them with onerous obligations and changed their character beyond recognition, at least to me. But you will find large amounts of research grant funding sent their way, so swings and roundabouts.

              I agree with you, Mikel, it is not nationalism, or regionalism, but looking after one’s own back yard. However, see my windy comment below on going some place, any place, as a non national and starting up. The supposed benefits of EU membership are not real, or at least far from cheap. I think what the Basque region has done, by thinking independently, is stand out example to the rest of Spain, they thought things through and got to work. Hence amazing regrowth of an otherwise almost abandoned, well at least long overlooked, people.


        • on February 21, 2012 at 18:34 The Kitchen Cynic

          Yes I daresay he is, coming from countries with as little motorsport achievement throughout history as UK and France….hmmm….


          • on February 21, 2012 at 21:31 The Kitchen Cynic

            Oh yeah to be fair, Seat won the F2 world rally title once…


      • on February 22, 2012 at 10:13 John (other John)

        Until the new rules for forming a Sociedad Limitada (SL) which were finally pushed through following common market legislation, unhealthily opposed by regional bureaucracies, starting a company in Spain was nightmarish. The actual law is that every EU member must locally recognize overseas companies in equality with domestic and normalize their systems. It doesn’t happen.

        Say you form a Ltd und Co KG, a strange creature where a UK limited is in a civil general partnership (a historically ancient form) in Germany to locally register, the oh so accommodating Germans – having been so far as I know the only EU state to follow the general law, even if it had to go to federal court first, apply amazingly stringent tax inspections, ostensibly to prevent illegal transfer pricing, to which a GmBH is not subjected. (at least this was the stern warning I received, when I thought to save on wiring 25K Euro for capitalization of a GmBH that doesn’t need all that capital immediately)

        So, silly Spanish, but silly Germans. Don’t get me started on French commercial law and tax! (though French law is always elegantly drafted and rather nice to read)

        No, the reason so many teams are in England, is in no small way to do with having a semi sane legal regime! Might be 760 pages, but you’re not messing about worrying you haven’t observed something hidden in the basement of a local notaire.

        Don’t teams have enough to do, without ultra parochial law to concern them?

        I’m up on this because I have to push past my partnership structure to take on a very complex new sale. The answer, if you must have local legal presence, and one usually must at any scale, is to form a Société Européenne, (I copied and pasted that, since pronouncing without accents sounded like paste in my mouth, blimming lovely French can’t even make a keyboard that works for their own language) and that is going to set me back 6 figures. So to get my customers in on this plan, I have to set up the way Airbus did. Crikey! For my puny little shop . . No pain, no, more pain please, gotta have pain when dealing with local law, or you’re not doing it right . .

        Incidentally, Bernie is mostly Luxembourg, where broadcasters get 80% deductible on income and only 3pc VAT. Sweet, eh?

        (and if there are any super tax attorneys out there, don’t be shy!)


        • on February 22, 2012 at 10:33 John (other John)

          Just for fun, yes, Luxembourg does have a tax treaty with Mauritius . . .


  18. on February 21, 2012 at 14:27 Ravi

    Joe….Little bit off topic here! I do recall Prodrive trying desperately to enter F1 a few times in the last few years. The last they were in news was when they tried to buy Renault. I wonder if they are still interested and why did not FIA never have them a slot? David Richards have good F1 experience and he did have a good financial package but when did not he get into it?


    • on February 22, 2012 at 12:27 John (other John)

      Ravi, I can think of no reason why Prodrive never got in, except BE is chums with a certain unmentionable who bears grudges against anyone who ever deserved recognition. Also, the customer chassis rule was changed, on which – i think – only Prodrive relied for their bid. But, Hmmmmm . . .


  19. on February 21, 2012 at 15:45 Santiago

    Joe, you dont understand the differences between regionalism and separatism in Spain. There’s no such thing as Catalan-Spaniard. If you consider yourself Catalan, you are not Spanish. It’s even more so with Basques. These ethnic, cultural, historical and political divisions grow much deeper thank you might comprehend, It’s only comparable to Irish people in Northern Ireland, they are Irish but with some twisted historical events they landed in the UK. The only difference is those separate nations within Spain do not have a political entity to which they can refer to as their “country”, as the Irish can say about the Republic of Ireland. So this might be a valid reason for the Spanish team not to use Basque facilities.


    • on February 21, 2012 at 16:17 Joe Saward

      You will be telling me next that when Spain wins the World Cup the Catalans, Asturians, Basques and the rest of them do not become Spanish for a while? I would argue that if you consider your self to be a Catalan, you are Spanish when it comes to government grants, tax benefits and success on soccer fields. You may wish to be Catalan for the rest of the time, but you are still Spanish until the day Catalunya becomes an independent country. This is not the point. All I am saying is that it does not matter whether you have regionalism, separatism, segregation or the Berlin Wall, if you restrict the talent pool or the opportunities because of such things, you are wasting your time in F1. The most qualified person in Spain to be a Formula 1 team boss is Joan Villadelprat. He is a Catalan. He built a factory in the Basque region because that is where he could find the money to do it. Joan is an F1 person. He gets it. The people in Madrid do not.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 16:28 x2fer

        Now I understand it, the problem is Joan Villadelprat, to whom you say to defend, to attack HRT.


        • on February 21, 2012 at 16:59 Joe Saward

          No, as usual, you understand nothing. You always seem to need to find some ulterior motive in what I write. To try to insinuate that I am attacking HRT because I am in league with Villadelprat is simply the sign of someone who is too small-minded to see beyond the end of their own nose. Open your eyes. Why is it that you cannot understand the concept that I am simply trying to help Spain get a workable and sensible F1 team?

          Put your thinking cap on (if you have one) and try to follow. If sensible people set out to achieve the goal of creating a Spanish F1 team, they would look for Spanish F1 assets that exist. The right people. The right location. If they insist (for nationalist reasons) on handicapping themselves by insisting on a factory in their home country, then the best possible option is Epsilon Euskadi. If you follow the logic the best possible person would be the man who built it. The answer – for any sensible person – is not a tennis centre in Madrid and not ambitious types who have had minor roles in F1 in the last five or six years. You want experts. Villadelprat is an expert. He started working in F1 at about the same time as Fernando Alonso’s dad got a little twinkle in his eye. He had moved to England in the late 1970s to work in the sport and joined Ron Dennis’s Project Four Racing Ltd in 1979. At the time Dennis was running teams in F2 and F3 but his aim was to enter F1. Marlboro – which was backing Project Four in both F2 and F3 – engineered a merger between Project Four and McLaren Racing and McLaren International was founded. Villadelprat was one of the original McLaren International employees. He was to stay with the team for the next six seasons as the McLaren-TAG combination won three straight Drivers’ titles with Niki Lauda and Alain Prost. In 1987, he was lured to Ferrari by former McLaren technical director John Barnard, to be chief mechanic. He revolutionised the way things were done there. When Barnard left Ferrari Joan landed the job of team manager at Tyrrell. He moved on to become factory manager at Benetton and in 1993 became Operations Director, overseeing Michael Schumacher through to two World Championship titles in 1994 and 1995. In the end he left Benetton to become managing director of Prost Grand Prix but the team was dying before he arrived and it was too late. He tried to buy Minardi with backing from Telefonica and then set up Epsilon Euskadi.

          To ignore such a person when they are part of your nation is, very simply, stupid. There is no other word for it.


          • on February 21, 2012 at 17:19 Stoozie

            Totally agree Joe. I couldn’t understand why EE didn’t get the F1 slot in the first place and to be ignoring the physical and person assets begging to be used is plain irrational…


          • on February 21, 2012 at 17:29 AuraF1

            Apart from Ferrari, it seems increasingly bizarre to build a ‘national’ team based away from the main English bases. Formula 1 makes a lot of sense to build competitive constructor teams, not national teams. I understand Ferrari can tie themselves into Italian identity differently but that’s a quirk of history and vast amounts of money.

            Other than that, the only regional development I can see making any sense is for the track consortiums.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 17:07 Jem

        Santiago, in some ways a British person is better equipped to understand the Spanish regional identities than some other nationalities would be : we Brits have the whole situation of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland where we’re all one “sovereign state” (the UK) but four “countries”.

        Ultimately though, I think Joe is wrong to claim “that Spain is not the right place to set up an F1 team, if they are more worried about who is Basque, Catalan, Madrilenian or Asturian rather than who is the best person for the job,” as the same could apply anywhere in the world. The issue is simply one of trying to make some sort of “national” or “regional” team out of what is essentially a big business team sport. The Villadelprat / Epsilon / Basque government / HRT story could just as easily have taken place in somewhere like Scotland.

        P.S. If that *is* a photo of the new HRT, they’ve at least made a close runner up to McLaren in the race for good looks.


        • on February 22, 2012 at 02:19 elephino

          I believe Joe is correct in his assessment about Spain. The reason is related to what you have quoted. If you restrict a position in a company to the best person in the world, then you can choose from anyone. If you then restrict by country, then you’re likely to still have a reasonable pool to choose from. Once you then restrict to a region within a country, you’re now more likely to miss the person with the best ability and end up with someone who turns up. It’s possible you’ll still be able to get the best in the world for, say, suspension tuning but your engine management person could be 600th best if you’re lucky. You then mix higher quality people with those who may be merely qualified but not very good (at least by F1 standards) and it drags the entire team down.


          • on February 22, 2012 at 10:12 Jem

            But it’s the company which is to blame for their recruitment strategy – part of which may be adjusted due to accepting local government. In essence it’s an engineering equivalent of a pay driver, a team accepting cash as mitigation for perhaps not hiring the very best available.

            Ferrari learnt that lesson a long time ago, one of the strongest periods in their history involved a British technical director, a South African aerodynamics chief, a British chief mechanic and a French team principal, building a car around a German driver. And yet the team and the brand are seen as thoroughly Italian.

            All I’m saying is that I don’t think it’s a case of “you can’t run a good F1 team in Spain” but instead “you can’t run a good F1 team as a regional (or even national) squad”. There are very few examples of this sort of strategy working in top level sport – though one of them actually is Basque, their football club, Athletic Bilbao.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 22:14 Keith Crossley

        My daughter and I were at the Salvatore Dali house / museum and the guide asked the group where they were all from. I did find it fascinating that the (nominally) Spaniards identified themselves by region. But when I claimed* Peoples Republic of Yorkshire there was puzzlement.

        *I didn’t really


        • on February 22, 2012 at 12:41 John (other John)

          Crikey, Keith, I need a coffee* proof keyboard!

          My mom takes rotten exception to having British Subject on her passport, and genuinely wants “People’s Republic of Shelf (Nr. Halifax, turn right up the hill sharp, before the factory) ” written there :-)

          and my mom would say that if challenged!

          But the best argument for being British was borne out by my old physics master, having gotten sloshed in charge of a bunch of schoolboys on a trip to Paris, and lost their passports. At Customs, he simply declared “Dammit, man, we’re British!” and stormed through.

          *tough times require higher caffeine-blood ratios . . back to the green teas when sorted.


          • on February 23, 2012 at 02:24 Keith Crossley

            Eh lad. I was born in Halifax and lived “oop t’road” in Todmorden. All the best to mom and you from (now) the North Coast of New York.


      • on February 22, 2012 at 09:23 Aitor

        Replying to Santiago, if you are Basque or Catalan, you are also Spanish. SOME may not feel this way, but many do, so don’t come here spreading these nationalistic ideas which manipulate foreigners’ point of view on the situation. As for Joe, I would like to remind you that Luis Pérez-Sala, Pedro de la Rosa and Dani Clos are all catalan, various engineers are Catalan too. Many of the mechanics are Basque, as they previously worked at Epsilon, so I don’t think this is an issue in any of the decision making


        • on February 22, 2012 at 11:52 Joe Saward

          Except that they are setting up a factory in a tennis centre in Madrid, rather than walking straight into a fullblown F1 factory in Vitoria (complete with state of the art wind tunnel). Money is really not the question. The Basques are clever enough enough to realise that an empty factory is of no value to them, so they would accept nominal rent to get some return on the investment. And in Vitoria there might be more chance of getting good racing people from France. It is not far from the border.


      • on February 22, 2012 at 11:16 Interested Party

        I loved Villadelprat. Great engineer – right at the cutting edge but often not getting the credit he deserved. Feet on the ground. Loads of experience and wielder of understated excellence. Thoughtful, methodical

        I drew the line at Brilliance but he’s had his moments.

        Great loss to F1 when he was shelved. The best was yet to come.

        Of course – having him in the factory telling everyone what to do might not suit the HRT leadership.


  20. on February 21, 2012 at 16:05 Jim

    The proof will be in the pudding as to who makes it and who doesn’t make the field in a few weeks time.

    HRT actually have some very good and experienced people involved now and I for one am sure they will get over the current hurdles and they will be in Australia for sure.


    • on February 21, 2012 at 16:28 Joe Saward

      I seem to remember writing that the proof of the pudding would come when the car turned up at the Jerez test…


      • on February 22, 2012 at 12:45 John (other John)

        Must be a meringue, very slow bake, rather sugary and hard to digest. With a fancy filling, and you still feel hungry after . .


  21. on February 21, 2012 at 16:10 graham.reeds

    Getting a little off topic: If HRT to fold what do you expect to happen? Will the FIA open up the 13 place for tender for the 2013 season? Who reasonbly could fill it in such a short period of time?


    • on February 21, 2012 at 16:21 Joe Saward

      Colin Kolles might have a team to do it, but then he would need the money as well and small teams struggle to get sponsors these days. They need people with money to burn, who wish to advertise their own products. Decent sponsorship only comes when you get to the sharp end of the grid, or if you hire pay-drivers.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 16:48 John (other John)

        Well, then, we’re all stuffed. The poverty of it. 40MM is not a lot in advertising.


  22. on February 21, 2012 at 16:26 Donal

    Great stuff once again Joe.
    Living in Spain it seems to me that the problem is not just identity (Spanish, Basque, Catalan etc) but patronage or something like that.

    So many things here are aligned with higher powers. The newspapers are aligned with political parties, the sports newspapers aligned with football clubs and so on. Think of it like the cold war where the Russians had Cuba and the US had South Korea for example.

    I think the problem here is that Villadelprat’s patrons fell from power and HRT’s patrons are now Madrid based. For the people who support HRT to move to Epsilon’s factory would be like the 1980′s USA moving General Motors to Havana!!!


  23. on February 21, 2012 at 16:26 Berlinette

    Although it is fair to realise that political and regional issues matter, I think you haven’t understood the whole problem. HRT has no problems to hire Catalan or Basque engineers, even those coming from Epsilon Euskadi or EPIC Formula Renault 3.5 team, after Renault Sport denied them their place for 2012 season: if you have a look to the staff posted on their new website, you will find some of those.

    Epsilon Euskadi HQ were very expensive, and they only could be maintained thanks to the help of a nationalist government (do you remember how many sponsors were in the ee1 LMP1 prototype that raced in Le Mans 2008?). If you haven’t that help, it is unsustainable. In the middle of a recession, and although Euskadi is one of the least hurt Communities in Spain, Basque government cannot afford it, and I have several doubts a PNV government would help a team formerly known as Hispania…

    If Epsilon’s HQ are costly and they won’t receive any public funding (as it happened with Valencia, now in the edge of a social crisis, with no money to pay medicines or heating in schools), HRT only had two more options, having in mind the fact they need to convince sponsors: Madrid or Barcelona.

    Catalonia has a nationalist government too, but Artur Mas and Salvador Servià still had talks to relocate HRT near Montmeló. The main issue are, once again, how public investments have been dramatically reduced in the last months.

    So Madrid was the only only option left. Caja Magica is well known over here, and Madrid Community government needed someone to occupy its offices, after Madrid’s Tennis Federation decided to quit. So, even if the funding is reduced, there must have been some facilities to bring up the deal, and HRT can at least show to possible investors that they are in a big city.

    OK, it’s not the best situation, but once taken the decision of moving to Spain, HRT had not too many options.


    • on February 21, 2012 at 17:06 Joe Saward

      You have successfully convinced me that it is a bad moment to start a Spanish F1 team.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 17:28 Berlinette

        Of course it is… But would there have been any better?

        Once Fernando Alonso quits, F1 will be dead for most of Spaniards. For example, Seat adventure in the WRC was only possible whilst Carlos Sainz was at its peak, and we are talking about a manufacturer.

        And anyway, Spain has always been full of internal battles, which explains how the only way to unify it is through finding external ennemies: French guignols after they laughed at our antidoping policy, the UK, your blog (…).

        At least HRT has always been a full private effort, with Murcia not paying what they had back in 2010 to and Thesan facing Authonomous Communities hardships. I would say it is the first time I see such a thing in subsidies-commissions-corruption-addict Spain, so there may be some reason to be proud of this team after all…


      • on February 21, 2012 at 18:08 John (other John)

        Start one here, register it there, board in Madrid, choose young Spaniard at least to test. How hard is it?!! :-)


        • on February 23, 2012 at 13:27 Jem

          Gambling hard that the comment formatting will work… but here goes :

          Start Buy one here, register it there in Germany, board in Madrid Stuttgart, choose young Spaniard one young German and one old German at least to test to drive.


  24. on February 21, 2012 at 16:31 Tim Wood

    Combine this with the rumors of a sale of HRT to Slim….

    Could it be that there is no real intention to set up shop in Madrid at all?


  25. on February 21, 2012 at 16:32 Adam Codony

    Everytime I read a story about HRT, it always comes to my mind a quote from the movie “Blade”, which was “Some motherf****** are always trying to ice-skate uphill.”

    I think it suits perfectly with HRT’s surreal plans.


    • on February 21, 2012 at 18:27 Alex H (@alexh2o)

      +1


    • on February 22, 2012 at 12:50 John (other John)

      From Gilliam’s Baron Munchausen, a possible retort from our uphill ice skaters:

      HORATIO JACKSON
      This sort of behavior [real action] is demoralizing for the ordinary soldiers and citizens who are trying to lead normal, simple, unexceptional lives. I think things are difficult enough as it is without these emotional people rocking the boat.


  26. on February 21, 2012 at 17:03 canehan

    cvrt: And for the benefit of the local Socialist party? It was announced that the new track had to be surfaced three times in all because of problems with surfaces 1 and 2. It has been alleged that it was only surfaced twice….


    • on February 21, 2012 at 17:17 Joe Saward

      I am sure someone once told me that Magny-Cours was known as “The Tunnel to Switzerland”.
      Odd, too, was the memorial to Beregovoy that was erected after his suicide.
      It had two holes through it…


      • on February 22, 2012 at 11:33 Interested Party

        Yes, but the second hole was only there because of a nervous reflex on the part of the sculptor.


  27. on February 21, 2012 at 17:06 Demian

    Well, I don’t know if this might bring some light to the case, but…

    First, the Community of Madrid has the second largest GDP of Spain (behind Catalonia). The city is big, and most of the big Spanish companies (with sport ties) are based here, including Telefonica, Mutua Madrileña and Banco Santander.

    Second, the Mayor of Madrid right now is Ana Botella, mother-in-law of Alejandro Agag, parter of Flavio Briatore and Bernie Ecclestone in the Queens Park Rangers.

    Caja Magica was built for the 2016 Summer Olympics bid, and, other than hosting the largely irrelevant Madrid Masters, it has been sitting unused and empty. Giving it some sport related use might be a nice PR stunt, for a building that costed € 300 million (twice as planned).

    So I bet it was rather cheap for HRT to get the place.

    Also, HRT could benefit from the leftovers of Epsilon Euskadi, in a moment were the economy is at its lowest.

    Maybe that can clarify the situation a little.


    • on February 21, 2012 at 17:13 Joe Saward

      When Telefonica, Mutua Madrileña and Banco Santander start pouring money into HRT I will be very happy for the team.
      Agag is very well-connected, but he still has not managed to get his GP2 team into F1.
      QPR is now owned by Tony Fernandes.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 20:29 Damian

        Yes, I know. This team looks… improvised. Even Leepu and Bernie Fineman from Chop Shop look more organized than these guys. :P

        And I totally agree that they’ll have a hard time finding money.

        Let’s see how it all unfolds, but I won’t bet my money on they establishing a solid team, the way Vijay Mallya did with Force India.
        Regards.


  28. on February 21, 2012 at 17:11 GeorgeK

    Insightful and informative, more so then normal IMHO.

    Thank you.

    You can never put forth an idea without some people taking it as dogmatic
    doctrine that must be adhered to at all costs.

    Pity, that lack of open mindedness.


  29. on February 21, 2012 at 18:24 Chris L

    Joe, you was right in regards to Toni Cuquerella being promoted to HRT TD, says so on HRT’s website.


    • on February 21, 2012 at 19:28 Joe Saward

      I think you will find that I am often right when I am writing about HRT.


      • on February 21, 2012 at 20:45 riccbat

        Joe – I am often filled with wry amusment when reading your blog, but this particular comment actually made me laugh out loud! Congratulations!


  30. on February 21, 2012 at 19:03 Marc

    Hi Joe, first of all congratulate you on your blog, I read it whenever I can with great interest.

    I’m from Barcelona, ​​and speak for 45% of the Catalans (and increasing) in the latest CIS poll, when I say I do not feel Spain as being our country. Thereby, we do not hate it as a country, but we hate it as an oppressor. it is a historical issue that in recent times has been magnified by the fiscal plunder suffered by Catalonia.

    In this sense, I can assure you that we are not happy with victories of the Spanish football team, but in my case, I will support HRT for having PDLR in their team. ¿Contradiction? NO, because in the same way we support Alguersuari in a foreign team, we can support PDLR in a team that we consider as a foreigner. I repeat that I have the same respect for Spain that I can have for Germany, but we just hate as a country that mistreats Catalonia.

    Anyway, is not good to mix sport and politics because the first one should help people forget the second one. Anyone can support a team even it is not of it’s own nationality.

    That’s the only thing I wanted to explain, and although my english is not that good, I hope it has been quite clear.

    keep doing such a great job

    bye


    • on February 21, 2012 at 19:26 Joe Saward

      Thank you for that explanation.


      • on February 22, 2012 at 06:49 Al

        As an Englishman who lives in Catalunya I have to tell you that the regional Nationalism here is the stupidest thing I have ever encountered in my life.

        Catalans are Spanish, as are Galicians, Basques etc. They are just slightly different, very little in the case of the Catalans. It is just an excuse for the local’s regional parochialism and for a bunch of Politicians to create yet another level of Government to enrichen themselves and their cronies.

        As I just love explaining to them “What is the richest most powerful country in the world ? The UNITED States of America”. It is also great looking at the blank faces when you explain how the Italians joined up together 150 years ago to unite and be strong, Look what they now have, among other things the technical infrastructure to create F1 cars… In Spain they could not even get together to cook a Paella.

        The corruption and incompetence of these separated regions, along with some of their mindboggling posturing/vanity projects are what is bringing this country down fast.


        • on February 22, 2012 at 10:57 Ignasi

          First & foremost: Joe, thank you for the best F1 related blog. I love it. Your experience and knowledge are amazing….and it was great to see you live at the McLaren presentation.

          Please excuse my English, it’s not my mother tongue.

          Now, to the point. AI: Finally! Somebody who speaks the truth…probably because he suffers it on a daily basis.

          Nationalism is, IMHO, a pathetic attitude towards politics and life in general. Even more in Spain, where a few regionalistic morons lie, lie and lie again so that they can continue to run their inefficient, corrupt (does 3% sound familiar, anyone?) governments as this posts clearly states. No hard feelings, I speak catalan and descend from catalans myself. Nobody can accuse me of anti catalanism!

          The original article is interesting, but missing a lot of facts, specially politically related. It’s a great, incomplete history.

          Unfortunately, I do not have the time to get into that level of detail now, but I believe the fact that HRT has realocated to Madrid is based on two facts:

          A) They lack strategy…

          B) They lack funds…

          Which is something that Joe has clearly expressed for months. Nothing new.

          Localisms, regionalisms and nationalisms of pathetic tribal origin have indeed played a role (quite unfortunate, BTW). That role is directly linked to the funds they have invested to promote their idea of their own sad, archaic kingdoms, aka taifas for most Spaniars. This applies to the PP (Popular Party) and their role in Valencia. I know CiU (until now moderate Catalan nationalists) and PNV (until now moderate Basque nationalists) hate being copied but….this is Formula 1!

          So, humbly speaking, I would agree with those who claim that you have to put things into perspective.

          BTW, for those “ardent” nationalists and anti nationalists of any kind, I recommend reading & travelling. It can be cured.

          Have a good one!


        • on February 22, 2012 at 22:15 Vin

          Did you miss the irony of calling yourself an Englishman (not a Brit) when discussing issues of regional nationalism?


    • on February 21, 2012 at 22:48 Jamie

      So if 45% don’t feel that spain is your country, surely that must mean that 55% do, and therefore you are in the minority? ;)


  31. on February 21, 2012 at 19:33 nicolas

    Joe

    i totally agree with you on this.

    Its almost as bad as the Malaysians not supporting Tony Fernandes.
    What a supper-team the original Lotus Racing would have been with Petronas sponsorship and Proton’s support.


    • on February 21, 2012 at 20:56 Proesterchen

      Petronas went with the defending world champions over the newcomers, they went with the foot in the door at Daimler over PR points with certain parts of the Malaysian public.

      You know what, I think Petronas did the sensible thing.

      I really enjoy what Tony Fernandes and his partners did and do with their team. They are the shining star among a group of teams selected for political gamesmanship rather than on their abilities or merits. They are the lovable misfit in a group of embarrassing uncles. And I’d rather see them succeed on their own, then propelled by Malaysian government dollars.

      - – - –

      With some of the attitudes expressed on the topic of national teams, you’d almost expect a A1GP-clone to flourish these days. Maybe they were but a couple of years ahead of the times. Or they targeted the wrong parts of the world.


  32. on February 21, 2012 at 22:42 Richard

    Joe, you are missing lots of info, but I can understand it is difficult for a foreigner to get a whole picture of what s going on in the complex spanish political system, I was involved with HRT in the past and the management had no F1 experience whatsoever, actually Campos was the most useless of them all and the new owner are not much better…… in regards to Marc comments as usual you are brainwashed by your regional radicals. Wake up mate you guys dont pay the most and dont make the most so please stop complaining the most…..

    Thanks
    R


    • on February 22, 2012 at 09:12 Joe Saward

      Richard,

      I think that I have a fair assessment of the Spanish political system in F1 terms, which is all that I need.
      The bottom line is that Spaniards (a term which includes all the people who live inside the entity known to the world as Spain) cannot work together in a fashion that fits F1 logic. Whether they can be successful – in spite of these self-imposed handicaps – remains to be seen.


  33. on February 21, 2012 at 22:51 Aboutbc

    Regards from Basque Country
    http://blog.aboutbc.info/2012/02/21/la-crisis-de-epsilon-euskadi-una-reflexion-llena-de-sentido-comun-desde-gran-bretana/

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.aboutbc.info%2F2012%2F02%2F21%2Fla-crisis-de-epsilon-euskadi-una-reflexion-llena-de-sentido-comun-desde-gran-bretana%2F


  34. on February 21, 2012 at 23:13 Jordan

    I’m no tech expert, but the rear packaging of the new car looks ambitious to say the least. If they ever turn up to races I wouldn’t be surprised if they have numerous technical issues.


  35. on February 22, 2012 at 03:21 Sudha S

    I cant believe the Tata group will waste money sponsoring Narain Karthikeyan to drive for HRT. They are such a reputable brand and why would they want to be associated with a backmarker team like this? Also what future does NK have in the sport? Really a waste of money. I wish they would support young and upcoming Indian talent in the lower formulas


    • on February 22, 2012 at 19:31 petes

      I cant believe the Tata group will waste money sponsoring Narain Karthikeyan. Fullstop.


  36. on February 23, 2012 at 02:48 Keith Crossley

    [This is so far off the F1 topic; but I feel the thread has moved to this]

    I can’t find a particular post to reply to on this topic of Regionalism, so I’ll just post generally.

    Perhaps there’s an Historian among us? I’m not one (though my daughter is so don’t let her know I’m practicing history without a license).

    Human history has been, it seems to me, a story about accretion of lands in ever increasing countries and empires. Until (in a historical sense) recently. You figure – Italy 150 years old. Germany less. Soviet Russia less. Empires expanded and expanded until the early to middle nineteenth century. Then…

    What we are seeing now is, seems to me, a move the other way; a devolution from very large states to a more regional idea of community. Thus the UK identifying itself as its component parts. Spain too. USSR is gone and now Russia is dealing with its parts (with difficulty). Yugoslavia is now its parts. Macedonia. Czechs and Slovaks. And so on. I rather liked the assertion of the Calunyans where I found it. And I like the Breton identity reassertion. And (for example) Rosa Cedron / Cristina Pato with their Galician identity. The rejuvenation of the Welsh language. All these things are good.

    Note, in response to an earlier post about the “United” part of USA – I recently saw a Texas bumper sticker: “Secede Yes!”. Fragmentation is certainly here in the US.

    There are good parts to all of this. There are also bad (and / or stupid). I just cheer the good while we keep the wider peace and collegiality of nation and community. Not sure where it will end… history will not be directed I think.

    But, back to the original point, doing ill-advised things on the basis of irrational regionalism is certainly not a good thing.


    • on February 23, 2012 at 02:54 Keith Crossley

      TWENTIETH Century!


  37. on February 23, 2012 at 11:11 Alexander

    The way you tell it, Epsilon Euskadi lived on politically tainted subsidies rather than on merit. It is unsurprising real investors are uninterested.


  38. on February 25, 2012 at 07:19 Bob

    I think they must ask you next time, Joe, ideed you should be the team manager and also Liuzzi the technical director. Right ?.

    Seriously, Vitoria, looks like a town of 200.000 (quarter of Newcastle or so ) with no international airport capable near to, it is clear you never was here. Regarding your coment about “350 Km near to the center of europe”, well you not need to be near of the Sun center when you have all you will need around. You forget that CASA (yes these aeronautical company that develop part of the Eurofighter and Airbus plus some elicopters) was sitted near to Madrid with tons of ingeniering, and suppliers all around. Latest, “Las provincias Vascas”, newer will compete with Madrid, Barcelona or Valencia in any technological area.

    Funny read you, I will have now a nice weekend, start up with one smille is the best.

    Cheers


    • on February 25, 2012 at 12:40 cinquecento

      You’re right Bob.

      I’ll add that it’s a shame how basques like Mikel think they are the Best & Center of the world and that “The basque is the only spanish region which could outperform with a F1 team” LOL – Media & Government Brainwashing in Basque Country is amazing, their ethnic propaganda is insulting with other regions of spain and of the world. I think that only in Madrid or Barcelona is possible to set a F1 team… with tons of luck.

      Cheers


  39. on February 25, 2012 at 12:57 aa

    I agree Bob, it was really funny to read this article.

    It’s funny how he talks about the Spanish regional responsabilities without any idea of how it works. The Basque Country and Navarra are the two ONLY regions in Spain that have special privileges since the Medieval ages.
    They are the only ones that are responsible for their own taxes, so they can do with their money whatever they want, instead of giving everything to the central goverment. That creates a huge impact in their economies and makes them powerful and more competitive than the rest of the country.


    • on February 25, 2012 at 17:51 Joe Saward

      I think you (aa) are missing the point of the story.

      In addition, I think Bob is missing the point that there is a strong aerospace cluster in Vitoria-Gasteis (known as HEGAN) some of which is located in the same technology park as Epsilon Euskadi. This is responsible for 20 percent of Spain’s aerospace turnover and consists of more than 40 companies, employing 5,000 people. There is an aeronautical technologies centre with structural and fluid dynamic testing capabilities, which involves four universities and an experienced technology and innovation network that dates back to the 1970s. There is also a lot of automotive capability there as well as is seen in their involvement in the Hiriko consortium. To this should be added the fact that France’s “Aerospace Valley” is located within easy reach of the Spanish cluster and is a good source of top level recruits (admittedly not Spanish), as the F1 has found out over the course of the last 30 years.

      Perhaps you should read this:

      The Hegan Cluster Association is made up of 36 entities: When Aernnova, ITP and Sener as founder members and the companies Aciturri, Aeromec, Aerospace Engineering Group, Aerovision, Aibe, Alestis, Alfa Microfusión, Altran, Aratz, Astorkia, Ayzar, Burdinberri, Burulan, DMP, Electrohilo, Grupo TTT, Industrias Galindo, Ingemat, LTK Grupo, Mesima, Metraltec, Nivac, Novalti, Nuter, Siegel, Sisteplant, Tecnasa, Industrias TEY, Grupo Tamoin and Tecnichapa WEC, as well as the technology centres CTA, Tecnalia and IK4. These organisations provide employment to 10,664 workers overall in all their plants. In 2010, they attained a turnover of 1255 million euros, with exports valued at 782 million euros and allocated 148 million euros to R&D investments. HEGAN members have 17 plants abroad (Brazil, Malta, Mexico, Rumania, UK, USA) of the total of 129 installations.


      • on February 26, 2012 at 03:15 cinquecento

        Oh yes, basques are the best of the world, except for this: The manufacture and maintenance of aircraft in the Community of Madrid, represents over 62% of the national revenue, generating almost 58% of employment directly in the sector. An important park of 140 business enterprises that represent more than 36% of national companies engaged in the manufacture and maintenance of aircraft. So, what are you saying?
        By the way, Hiriko is the MIT’s city car with another name, as usual in basque country (to present projects from abroad as own projects).
        Ethnic propaganda is very bad for the brain.


        • on February 26, 2012 at 08:51 Joe Saward

          I am well aware that the MIT project was picked up by the Basques. I was a consultant to the project a long way back. I even went to MIT to help them understand how automobiles developed as they did. It was a very interesting experience.

          You are missing the key point in my arguments. I am not arguing in favour of the Basques, the Catalans, the Madrid people or whoever. I am arguing about how best to plan an F1 team. It is irrelevant if one region is better than another if both are wrong. I do not give a damn about Madrid versus Vitoria or whether it would be a good idea to do it in Papua New Guinea because the government might give you money.

          If the team has to be in Spain then right now the Basque region is the most logical place as it has a ready-to-use F1 facility and is better located.

          In my opinion the only way to run a successful F1 team is to get the best of the best and choose the best location. All compromise is a bad idea as it makes the job more difficult and less likely to succeed.

          The best idea would be to be in the F1 cluster in England. The Austrians did it that way (eventually), the Arabs have done it that way, the Indians, Malaysians, Russians, Germans, Japanese (apart from Toyota) did it that way. Even Ferrari did it with UK design centres.

          If the Spanish think they know better then that is fine. I am happy to be proved wrong, but it is going to be many moons before HRT wins a Grand Prix – if indeed that ever happens.

          The other point that comes across from these comments is that it is going to be hard to have a proper Spanish F1 team, because the different regions will forever be arguing what day of the week it is… Good luck to all of them, but why cycle uphill when you do not have to?


  40. on February 25, 2012 at 21:10 aa

    I think you are right, but the point of my comment was that all of these companies are located there and not anywhere else because of the favourable economic conditions (mainly low taxes). It doesn’t matter which party is in the government because all of them can maintain these conditions.
    I think your conclusion is not right because mixing politics and F1 is not appropriate in this case. I don’t know which is the reason why HRT is not in Vitoria but I can assure is not because Vitoria is not Spanish enough.



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