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October 28, 2012 by Joe Saward

Four and a half hours after the race, direct from the F1 Paddock in New Delhi, we bring you a 75-page PDF e-magazine, with all the inside stories about the Indian Grand Prix, including full qualifying and race coverage, all the action in the F1 Paddock.

If you dream of being part of F1, this is how to get inside the Paddock gates.

Will Sebastian Vettel go to Ferrari…
Toto Wolff interviewed…
Max Chilton, the next British star?
The history of F1 4WD…

Plus all our usual reports, columns and pictures.

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  1. on October 28, 2012 at 5:07 pm John (other John)

    Happy Birthday to Bernie. He’s one year, one month, and one day older than my mom. So, based on how my mom’s going, we have BCE around for a while yet!

    I just want to know one thing: was VJM actually at the track today, or was it a trick of the camera? Ironically the slot they did about racing going back in India highlighted just what we moan the lack of for too long. Looked far more fun when it was organised chaos.

    Reason 1 million and 1 why I can’t stand Sky: just rolled the replay, and the buggers are advertising funeral services at me. Get out of here you f’ers!!!

    Oh, but I did suss that Sky Go thing finally. Another person can watch on a tablet or whatever independently. Totally kicking myself I never noticed that. Consolation prize, I guess. My pal’s team did not make it through to the MLB playoffs . (St. Louis Cardinals, if anyone cares)

    It feels end of the year already. Crisp deep dark autumn weather when we’re not soaked in rain. But I feel I’d have drifted away from F1, this year, had I not turned in here time to time. I shall try to cast off a welt load of grumpiness in the next weeks.


  2. on October 28, 2012 at 6:18 pm rpaco

    When Mike said a “Turner” I had the” Fighting Temeraire” in mind, or the Venice one, which turned out to be Portsmouth, rather than Nelson, but he worked hard on the piece and maybe he will now find a buyer. (Petwood house BTW is or used to be the place to see Turners in profusion)

    What does bring back memories though, is the distance apart on qualy times and the ever present danger of the race not happening, usually courtesy of J M Ballestre and his self importance.
    What is missing most nowadays, is innovation, it has been killed off in all but tiny areas in order to gain tiny fractions of a second, no wins by a minute or five now. A pit stop of 2.5 seconds today, not the 8 seconds of yesteryear.
    I look forward to 4 wheel electric/ERS drive again in the future and inboard ERS brakes

    To be honest the race was depressing, the pollution hung a grey pall over the track just as bad as Korea. It looked like it was filmed with a pair of black tights over the lens. If the sun was out it did not seem to be reaching the ground. It is quite evident in many of the photos page 63 onwards.

    Ironic then that Lewis said it was one of his best ever races, he was chuffed that he could go hard at it the whole race and not have to hold back to conserve tyres or fuel. (Something Massa should have done)

    I read a piece about the farmers who used to live where the track is, and as is normal where big business sweeps in, waving money about, the rich got a lot richer and the poor a lot poorer. Pity, its a terrific track layout, hard to believe it’s a Tilk!


  3. on October 29, 2012 at 1:51 am BenM

    Joe do you have any info on what caused Webber to pull up stumps and leave the post race press conference yesterday?


    • on October 30, 2012 at 7:34 am Joe Saward

      I think he had had enough.


  4. on October 29, 2012 at 4:02 am John (other John)

    Only a bit on topic, whilst a economy for straight up PDF magazines still exists, it does seem as if the advertising cold war is hotting up, and happening in your web browser. Just look at this: http://dsero.com/how-anti-adblock-works.html

    (nota bene, it doesn’t tell you diddly how it works, but I presume it tries to mess with or interfere with the document object model, and I’m not sure that’s either legal or different from a trojan programme)

    Now I have not looked at that, because I just discovered such a thing exists, but they claim some big name users. A few months ago, it was announced or noted that Firefox has more lines of code than Windows. I can do quite heavy lift graphics on my ageing box, but a web browser can bring it to its knees.

    Just a roundabout thanks for simplicity in GP+ because there’s so little left of anything that is not ink on dead trees that doesn’t involve wondering just what exactly a supposedly innocent page is doing, besides consuming extra electricity.

    I could be accused of having my bread buttered on the old school side, but in reality I am simply a passenger also, having to consider expensive treatments to keep a few office machines safe, and read stuff like this: http://www.sophos.com/en-us/security-news-trends/security-trends/html5-and-security.aspx


    • on October 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm rpaco

      Anti-adblock looks nasty, will NoScript stop it?
      I disable adblock on my approved sites like Joe’s and JAs but it is on by default and makes Advfn bearable once flashblock has sidelined all the mini ads blinking at one. As Firefox has updates almost daily now what can we do? Use Opera or Epiphany?


      • on November 1, 2012 at 10:46 pm John ( other John )

        FWIW, I reckon you have to look at what MSFT have done with memory entropy in Win8/ Server 2012, and apply that reversed to the javascript engines – on the fly decompile – before you can even attempt this game. Game being secure your endpoint.

        One way of looking at it is in reverse, and there’s some aspects of that discussed, in reverse, here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4724384

        Says me, whilst I am watching every call to s0.wp.com hang Joe’s site unless using Opera Beta 12.10 which has smarter rendering. Chrome fails, everything fails. Shall call the nice guys at my ISP NOC to ask help just in case. (these guys built their own carrier facing routers, so, might be the problem, but unlikely they are stupid)

        I just found the el cheapo endpoint security: Sophos license to Netgear. Hundreds rather than tens of thousands, anyhow. They even give away VM’s free for home use of their good stuff. Sophos score higher than Cisco and HP Tippingpoint. Brits, too.

        Good job massive multicore is next to free. Ahem, ‘leccy bills ..

        Oh, bummer about nobody sussing how to code for that, save the Erlang boys.

        This is pure freaking warfare pal.

        Off to watch Jerry Springer on Newsnight!


      • on November 2, 2012 at 12:55 am John ( other John )

        Question Time, I mean.

        Most amazing thing I’ve found recently: 1990 Jerry Springer with French subs.

        But my apologies for hand waving the problem with javascript. I simply do not know the answers, though from my bath chair I recognize the techniques. I think we are in extremely dangerous territory, far far beyond what a normal self described geek can understand.

        So my comments are describing the Absolute Bare Minimum you should do to avoid being low hanging fruit on the interwebs. For me, this has been a investment of months, and a couple thousand. Check out my suggestions, they come down to a easier price.

        The same could be said of the amazing rout of bank earnings. If Risk magazine is onto the accounting scams, you know it’s too late. Across the board, realistic earnings are down 50 to 75% this quarter, YOY.

        No Country For Old Racers.

        I failed to answer your question:

        Yes, stopping javascript execution via e.g. NoScript should stop it.

        But have you tried to load this site without javascript?

        Then you think, Aha! No Problemo, I can pick and choose what parts of the javascript to run (assuming you know the engine and recompile it) but then why would say Chrome auto update? Can you keep ahead of the arms race? Can you do anything lower level than the sandboxes that otherwise help security without introducing new flaws? That is why a basic firewall now costs a subscription and fast hardware. Basic one. No guarantee you can use any website.

        To me, this is the new frontier of anti virus type applications, only it is monetized or not by the cash that brings you all the media.

        To my mind, online advertising is the pump and dump of printing money, web pages being the cheap linen without adequate guilloches, and because of the stupidity of that, and the venality of absence of actual content, it is going to be a very harsh fight indeed, for never ending control over the person. I see the effects coincidental with, rather than driven by, those why wish to extra judiciously pry.


  5. on October 29, 2012 at 8:21 am Ed from Rye

    Joe 2 questions if I may

    1 – Lotus: are they or aren’t they selling up?

    2 – Is there a real following for F1 in India? I ask because Bernie seems eager to proceed willy nilly, and to be honest tthe impression from here is of a huge PR operation and orchestrated euphoria. Whistle blowing marshals drowning out the roar of the engines, that’s a first.


    • on October 30, 2012 at 7:33 am Joe Saward

      Yes, they are selling 40 percent.
      Building a fanbase in India does not take 10 minutes


      • on November 2, 2012 at 8:06 pm John (other John)

        Not being funny, but who with new cash will take a minority stake in a game like this, where the need is to spend spend spend?

        Okay, I know one angle: minority stakes non controlling tend to not be consolidated to parent company level / group and you can back door a lot through other controls. But, still …

        I’m starting to rethink the RRA type plans. Prescient they were. Max was no fool, and even if you cannot credit him alone, plenty of people saw clouds gathering on the economic horizon. The curve ball was, well, when 9.11 was unfurling on the telly, my late partner and I went all John Templeton: assuming wartime money pumping. That bought most of a decade. UK govvy diktat to re-rate pensions by -2pc means everyone about my age will get the proverbial letter / word next week they have 40% less pension. Sweet.

        What I am starting to think, without a full argument ready (if I may be so excused) is that the absolute worst plan with F1 was to take it away from the ultimate, no holds barred, motor sport it should be.

        Did Larry Ellison not simply dump vast sums into winning the Americas Cup, only for Alinghi / Bertarelli to moan it was all cash, but it was awesome racing?

        Did not the asset disparity accelerate during the time between first whispers of RRA thoughts, and now?

        Basically, I think the kind of people who could go racing hard, out of their pocket book, actually increased during this time, and instead of doing what say LVMH did and go all out selling the bling, F1 said “but we are so very humble” at the same time, errr, there were eco words being used, same time as a massive commodities boom . .

        Could this change of tack have attracted the No Clothes Emperors like we have at FI, the low fruit eaters at GENII, and – no offence intended, because he’s got at least one foot on the ground – not so sure about themselves auto entrepreneurs?

        What would the spectator like? All out? Or modesty and whale bone corset regulations? After all, throw them bread. Do the truly rich take their wealth so seriously? I remember Morito Mori’s quote “The richest man is not me, but who has the most cash”, when he owned the largest slice of Tokyo in the 80′s. Or Li Ka Shing barely raising a eyebrow in surprise he was worth a billion less in 1997. Does having one paper billionaire put of real billionaires, I wonder . . . thought for another day.

        Max may have been too efficient.


    • on October 30, 2012 at 10:12 am rpaco

      Sorry which Lotus are we talking of? Genii selling part of F1 Lotus, or DRB Hicom selling Lotus Cars+Engineering?
      No wait I’ve found it! “Rumours surfaced over the Indian Grand Prix weekend that the team was about to be sold to Proton” Now that’s really funny, not to mention ironic. (if not iconic :-) )


      • on October 30, 2012 at 1:27 pm rpaco

        Presumably the proverb “Ones bitten twice shy” does not exist in Malaysia.


        • on October 30, 2012 at 1:28 pm rpaco

          Arrrrgh! ONCE not ones. Will my fingers ever learn to do what my brain is telling them?????


  6. on October 29, 2012 at 10:39 am dkfone

    Hi Joe. I am a gp plus subscriber and am experiencing difficulty with the site at present. When I click on the subscribers icon, the usual name and password option does not come up. Instead I am directly straight to a pdf of the india gp but there is no option to download it. Is anybody else experiencing this issue?


    • on October 30, 2012 at 8:04 am Jem

      If you’re getting straight from clicking the “Subscribers” link to the PDF then the most likely answer is that at some moment you’ve clicked a button which told your internet browser to save your username and password for that access. Try a different computer and see if that changes anything.

      As for downloading the PDF, if you can view it you can save the file via the save button (a floppy disc icon) near the top left corner. Alternatively the “File” or “Page” menus may have a “Save as…” option.


    • on October 30, 2012 at 10:04 am rpaco

      Right click and “Save link as”



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