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December 14, 2012 by Joe Saward

It is a rainy miserable day in England, but Chiltern Railways has a wifi service that actually works and so I am now sitting on a train, bound for Bicester and a lunch of Brawn and Fry, pondering Bernie’s latest remarks about being happy with 19 races. I suppose it is like saying that you are happy with getting almost all of your pocket money. You will put up with it, if you have to, but it would be nicer if you get all of money possible. As we know Mr E likes to maximise the revenues for everyone in the F1 business, particularly CVC Capital Partners, a group of folk that he wants to stay sweet with. Thus an extra $30 million from a 20th race is something worth having, even if one has to give away $15 million of that to the teams. As we mentioned yesterday, CVC Capital Partners know which side their bread is buttered on and do not really like it when they get less than they could. Thus, a 20th race is desirable, even if the promoter of said event pays only half the money. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Thus I would read Bernie’s remarks about not caring as being a negotiating position, rather than a statement of fact. If the Turks, French or Austrians think that there might not be a deal possible then they will try a little harder to make it happen. There is an opportunity here to be grabbed and, who knows, Bernie might even be willing to do a one-off deal because he does not want to overcomplicate things in 2014 when he has to accommodate (in theory) a new Russian Grand Prix and the delayed event in New Jersey. Thus he does not need another long-term deal, unless the numbers stack up, and is looking to lose one of the current 19. He is not going to lose the big-paying and popular races and the weaklings are Spain, Germany, Belgium and Korea. The Spanish, Germans and Belgian promoters are all broke because the local authorities cannot afford to pay, even if it makes sense to do so. At the same time none of them want to lose the prestige and economic impact that their races bring. In Korea it is a slightly different story as the authorities there don’t want to pay out the money they are committed to pay and get nothing back from it. So they are holding the race simply to avoid looking like they are wasting public money. There is always the possibility that the event might begin to gather a following, unlikely though that may be.

Logically, however, if one of the bidders has a longterm plan that is stronger than one of the weaklings, then one can imagine a deal being struck. The most likely event in this respect would be the Austrians because Dietrich Mateschitz has money falling out of every pocket and can afford to revive his national GP just for fun. That would also help him when it comes to negotiating a deal for a race in Thailand, which Red Bull also wants to see. Turkey cannot get the Turkish authorities to come up with money, which is rather shortsighted when you consider that Istanbul wants to look good as it pushes on with its bid to host the Olympic Games in 2020. Four of the last 10 Games have been in Europe (London, Athens, Barcelona, Moscow), while only two have been in Asia (Beijing and Seoul) – three if you count Sydney, while the Americas have boasted three (Rio, Atlanta and Los Angeles), so on paper you would say that Tokyo is probably a better bet, even if Istanbul plays up its Asian, rather than European, image.

The French are a law unto themselves. The government wants to be seen to be reviving French industry but only if someone else is doing the investment, thus it will not pay for a Grand Prix, even if it could have a situation like Texas where the money comes from a state special events fund and the money is only released if the race delivers the goods.

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  1. on December 14, 2012 at 5:03 pm Neil

    It would be a crying shame if the Belgium GP was lost from the calendar.


  2. on December 14, 2012 at 6:53 pm Ash

    I am partial to a bit of brawn and fry… good solid English lunch… Dickelacker Pils to drink and kirschtorte for afters rather than Old Hooky and Banbury cakes though, I’ll bet.


  3. on December 14, 2012 at 6:58 pm Robert McKay

    Unless Bernie does a deal at a knock-down price I just don’t see what’s in it for anyone to do a one-race deal, and I can imagine Bernie not doing a knock down deal to avoid potentially devaluing it when other new long term deals come calling.

    What’s the incentive to spend any more than they have to to get one race? The only real advantage is limiting the losses that come with multi-year deals.

    The Turkish probably have other fish to fry and is anyone going to come and see it anyway? The French seem too divided over what the plan is, too reliant on vapid political promises that go up in smoke at the first hint of an election – and, besides, are they really so desperate to revive their historic race that they’ll take it in a one-off way, a “last chance to see” sort of thing? Personally I think the French Grand Prix deserves more than that.

    A1-Ring is the only game in town as far as I can see from nothing more than the Mateschitz vanity project aspect.


    • on December 15, 2012 at 8:12 am Joe Saward

      Just like Donington 1993


  4. on December 14, 2012 at 8:57 pm Olie Wildsmith

    Heavy use of the word ‘thus’ today Joe (lol) and how long has Sydney been in Asia? But apart from that m8a very interesting piece, old Bernie plays a game of many layers wouldn’t you say. I guess that’s why he doesn’t want to have a side kick to train up as a future replacement cos he’d have to tell them about the sly lieing, cheating and manipulation he gets up to behind closed doors. I bet he has brown envelopes on repeat order all the palm greasing that goes on.


    • on December 15, 2012 at 8:13 am Joe Saward

      In Olympic terms it is.


      • on December 16, 2012 at 2:22 am Olie Wildsmith

        That’s quite interesting, do the auzzies know yet lol. Bet they are well impressed at that little gem.


    • on December 17, 2012 at 11:59 am Daniel Tyler

      Isn’t it sometimes referred to as Australasia ?


      • on December 18, 2012 at 2:00 am Funkmother

        Australasia really refers to Australia, New Zealand and south Pacific islands. Geographically though, Australia is the “appendix” of Asia.

        Oh, and I’m an Aussie.


  5. on December 15, 2012 at 2:12 am Steve W

    A naive question… How can a drinks company (Red Bull) be so rich? How much of that stuff do they sell anyway? Is there more to the story here?


    • on December 15, 2012 at 8:08 am Joe Saward

      They sell billions of cans a year.


      • on December 15, 2012 at 8:32 am The Kitchen Cynic

        because it’s about 4 or 5 times the price of other soft drinks yet can’t possibly cost any more than usual to produce and distribute?


      • on December 15, 2012 at 9:36 am victor

        Then Coke must be even richer. They could build their own team as well. Would be interesting to see them compete with Red Bull Racing, perhaps with Marco Andretti and Danica Patrick at the wheel.


        • on December 15, 2012 at 12:48 pm Chris Yu Rhee

          Red Bull is ~$3 a can. Double the caffeine of Coca-Cola, and then there’s all that other stuff they put in it. And what is with the flavor? Actually, what flavor is it?
          My face turned inside-out when I finally bought a can of it and tasted it.
          I prefer Coca-Cola Burn. Same caffeine as regular coke, all “that stuff”, and I can get two cans for $1.


          • on December 18, 2012 at 1:03 am JV

            “And what is with the flavor? Actually, what flavor is it?”

            DOT4


    • on December 15, 2012 at 10:13 am john-c

      Keep in mind word is that it costs them more to make the can than the liquid inside. …And they have a great deal on cans.


      • on December 15, 2012 at 12:51 pm Chris Yu Rhee

        What’s your source on this? Sugared drinks cost more* than the can to produce, so how could Red Bull beat that industry norm?
        *info from seminar I attended on the drink industry many moons ago


    • on December 16, 2012 at 2:27 am Olie Wildsmith

      As well as their sales they organise do many events that the sponsorship money that comes in is phenomenal. I read somewhere they as much if not more money from getting sponsors and selling advertising at their other sporting events as they do from actual drink sales. They have an excellent business model that many others could learn from.


  6. on December 15, 2012 at 8:00 am Teddies51

    So where did you go for lunch………….


    • on December 15, 2012 at 1:21 pm OXO

      No reply from Joe, so the Reynard Park canteen I guess.

      TBH, there aren’t many decent places to eat near Brackley.


      • on December 15, 2012 at 8:34 pm Nick Planas

        There are plenty of decent places to eat near Brackley :)


        • on December 16, 2012 at 7:15 am OXO

          Name one Nick, but you aren’t allowed to go as far as Oxford, and I doubt they would go out to Sulgrave.


          • on December 17, 2012 at 5:00 pm toleman fan

            The Brackley canteen is fine as far as it goes, but I wouldn’t call it a culinary event. I think Mercedes’ budget probably stretches a bit further than that… Joe?


  7. on December 15, 2012 at 10:40 am Neil Morrison

    I thought Tokyo had the Olympics, in the 70s or 80s, I believe.


    • on December 15, 2012 at 11:41 am Joe Saward

      It did, but only in 1964, which is almost 50 years ago.


  8. on December 15, 2012 at 11:37 am Graham (over the) Hill

    The German GP date move seems very knee-jerk now. I cannot believe BCE has given up that easily on a 20th race, especially as the new clash with the hugely well supported DTM Norisring event can only have a negative impact (of whatever size), unless an additional nail in Germany’s sadly already-on-order GP coffin is part of the game plan …


  9. on December 16, 2012 at 1:42 am Ian Macpherson

    perhaps add Montreal 1976 to the “three” olympics in the Americas?


  10. on December 16, 2012 at 8:25 am Stephen deakin

    Re the French GP – France has as tight budgetary controls as England at the moment so I can’t see that changing for a while. It’s more or less being seen to do the right thing by a weak government – ‘careful what you wish for’ might strike a chord with many in France at the moment.


    • on December 16, 2012 at 4:12 pm Joe Saward

      This is France. Money will always be found if it is a pet project of some minister of other. Or perhaps a political party will see a value in it.


  11. on December 17, 2012 at 11:57 am Daniel Tyler

    Please, for the love of all that is holy or whatever, please let us NOT lose the fabulous, number one track (imo), Spa Francorchamps. I think a part of me would actually die if that happened.

    Second is Germany. Couldn’t really care less about Spain and Korea, though Spain marginally over Korea, if only for the fans cheering everything Fernando does, even farting and STILL booing and hissing ANYTHING to do with Lewis.
    That’s my stream of conciousness for the day ;-)

    Merry christmas fellow fans and you, Joe !


  12. on December 17, 2012 at 12:16 pm Pierre

    In France there is public interest for F1 races therefore it’s a shame that it does not have a race. Even though Magny-Cours was a boring track in the middle of nowhere. On the opposite we have Turkey with a great circuit but no public interest.
    Morale : France should have a race. Turkey should not.
    Morale # 2 : Especially at those racetracks with empty grand stands it should be forbidden by law to stage an F1 race while using taxpayer’s money!


    • on December 19, 2012 at 6:15 am John (other John)

      Strange thing, my first French report was on Nevers. For some reason I did not think it such a dull place :-)



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