Thoughts on Sochi

I enjoyed most of the Russian GP weekend. I did not feel that I could not say what I thought, did not feel that I was being watched or whatever. The facilities were decent, the fans were enthusiastic and the place itself seemed nice enough, although we never really had the time nor the energy to venture out of the Olympic area, where we were staying. Those that did, came back with some interesting tales. I had a few minor gripes about silly things like the quality of Internet access, the colour of water in the bath tub and the troubles some folks had being fed, not to mention the ease of access to the region. But we have these kinds of things at other places as well, notably in Korea and Indian in recent years. There was wildly excessive security at times, but then again I fully appreciate the Russians do not want Chechan suicide bombers in the crowd.

It probably did not help that the Grand Prix came straight after the Bianchi accident in Japan and the stress and strain of an intercontinental back-to-back. But once the cars started running in Sochi, things began to settle down.

The one discordant note, as far as I was concerned, was the feeling that the sport was being used for propaganda purposes by President Vladimir Putin. When someone famous turns up (or leaves) in the middle of a race you know that their motivation is purely related to photo opportunities and video clips. They have no interest beyond that.

Commercial folk like Bernie Ecclestone have no qualms about trading with anyone, as long as there is money in it. It was the same in Bahrain a couple of years back. He believes that any publicity is good publicity.

After a while in Sochi I began to wonder if it was just me and so I asked a few senior F1 figures – off the record – about their private feelings on the subject. Remember that teams are contracted to race and so go where they have to go, even if they don’t want to. “I think it is disgusting,” said one. “The sport should not be mixing with…” well, I’ll leave out the rest because Russian readers will not like hearing their leader described in such terms. Needless to say “blood on his hands” was a phrase included in the rant. Others wondered whether it was wise strategic thinking, given Putin’s reputation outside Russia at the moment.

I understand Bernie. Money is money and if giving politicians what they want gets you more money, then some people will do it. Ecclestone seems to look upon Putin as a kind of Thatcherite hero, who made Russia more competitive and is trying to change Soviet era attitudes. Some of this is probably true but being too enthusiastic is perhaps not wise.

I don’t understand FIA President Jean Todt at all. Perhaps he wins votes in Syria, Cuba and North Korea but he is going to be doing himself damage in other key regions. Will this really help with his ambitions to become the czar of road safety for the United Nations? I just don’t see it. Perhaps he felt it was a good idea given that Russia’s FIA representative is General Victor Kiryanov, an important man in Russian policing in his role as Russia’s Deputy Interior Minister. He is a man of influence at the UN.

In essence there is nothing wrong with racing in Russia, it is a good market and the people seem keen, but the timing was dreadful and it might have been wiser to wait until things have calmed down a little more.

I don’t believe for one minute that sport can really transcend politics. It is a nice idea but utter rubbish. Politicians like Putin are using the sport to enhance their image and F1 is foolish not to appreciate that.

I have a Russian colleague who has views on these subjects that have shocked me of late. Of course, one must remember that most Russian media, especially the television, is controlled by the state or by those close to Russia’s leadership, but he actually seems to believe in the Russian coverage of the Crimean crisis, the activities in the Donetsk region and the shooting down of flight MH17. This has featured some spectacular explanations that do not appear to be supported by the facts on the ground. My colleague is now refusing to go to the United States GP or to next year’s British GP because he thinks that these countries have been unfair to his homeland.

My view is that a journalist who picks and chooses events based on his political beliefs is fundamentally flawed, because one should always go and report on what you see and what you feel, and if you feel that you cannot speak out then you should report on that as well…

338 thoughts on “Thoughts on Sochi

  1. Once again glad so see you with this point of view Joe, its a very different point of view to Bahrain a few years ago.
    I’m actually very disappointed that the drivers agreed to shake Putin’s hand.
    Either they were forewarned beforehand that there will be hell to pay from their sponsors and team, or they are naive and think that politics doesn’t affect them, and they cant affect politics.
    I’m also amazed nothing much has been made of F1 dealing with Putin in the mainstream media.

    Had it been a Malaysian, Dutch or Australian on podium, would they have shook Putin’s hand? (I’d love to see which camp Riccardio would fall into if he was ont he podium: naive or protest? Care to ask him that one?)

    Fortunately we did get one minor protest movement: The Russian grand prix was an absolute borefest – so take that Putin.
    If its boring and goes the way of Valencia we should be rid of it soon.

      1. Gabor, pull yourself together chap, why not ? their circumstances are different but their **** is the same as yours 😉

      2. Well, Mr GaborV, when a westerner doesn’t like or admire one of his own country’s senior politicians, he is at liberty to insult, ignore, even yell abuse atthe offending individual. And that person will be free to catch a bus and go home to his fireside entirely unmolested. I’m sure that all Russian people have exactly the same freedoms……don’t they ?

        I do hope you enjoyed first visit of the F1 circus to your delightful country.

        1. “I’m sure that all Russian people have exactly the same freedoms……don’t they ?”

          Yes. Given that everybody is willing to bear the consequences.

          “I do hope you enjoyed first visit of the F1 circus to your delightful country.”

          My delightful country hosted its 29th GP this year. But you wouldn’t want to live here either.

    1. Sochi just highlighted what’s wrong with the sport.
      Cars too separated into classes of their own.
      Nobody can’t reach mercedes now. So they could pit on the 1st lap, and drive from the back to the 2nd place. No racing in front because of that and no excitement.
      First 3 laps were pretty fun. Then save tyres, save fuel kicked in.
      3 laps instead of 2 in Monza. Monza is a boring race as well. Vettel did the opposite Rosberg with 1 stop on Bridgestones there. And it was even less excitement comparing to Nico run. However there were no trulli style defence because of the fuel saving.
      We need engine parity and less durable tyres.
      And Monza/Singapore are really challenging for drivers, but these races are boring. But it takes only 1h 15 minutes to be over for Monza.

      1. Well that was largely due to these tyres lasting a lot longer than expected. Otherwise Rosberg would not have been able to drive back to P2 so easily if at all…I didn’t hear RB or Vettel fans complain the last 4 years and at least it is a lot more entertaining between these two drivers that Vettel vs Webber, I mean I really liked Mark but he couldn’t bring it as good or consistently to Sebastian as Rosberg does towards Lewis, and as much as I don’t like Lewis’ behavior off track he is a very good racer and it has surprised a lot of people how Nico has been able to keep up…at least in Qually, outright fights are less his thing. But it has been a lot more entertaining than the Red Bull fight!

      2. And it isn’t going to change for 2015, as the engine freeze means Renault & Ferrari can’t be competitive until 2016 at least….hope Honda can be good out of the box!

    2. I thought the weird thing about Sochi was how ugly the circuit looks. 314 million dollars, and it’s even uglier than Valencia’s concrete container port. All the usual problems of a street circuit, and none of the prettiness. All of the Putin politics will make F1 harder to sell. Maybe that’s the point, maybe Bernie doesn’t want F1 to be sold…

  2. I thought the scenes in the drivers room straight after the race were very tense and unnecessary really. Did Putin have to be there or was it another way of getting his mug on the screen again?

    1. Ahhh but the best part of that was Hamilton seemed to not be aware that Putin was in the room, so he blanked him inadvertently! No handshake for you Mr. Putin… Perhaps that is why he had to say nice things about holidays when he got to the podium, as penance.

    2. Hanging with other successful athletes like himself in the towel-down room? It’s a suggestion that Vlad the Impaler would find novel, suitable and pleasing. But did it come from his side or from fawning Bernie? It’s Vlad’s fiefdom but it’s Bernie’s game.

  3. I found the whole ‘end of race’ carry on with Putin in the driver’s debrief area and on the podium quite revolting, to the point that I couldn’t actually watch the presentations.

  4. It’s not just Russians who believe their version of events. US and UK have been messing with Ukraine for ten years now. We would go ballistic if Russia were involved in a countries politics on our borders.

    US/UK have a ridiculously destructive foreign policy in every part of the world we touch but some how what we’re doing with Russia is suddenly right?

    1. Forget the Ukraine then. Take a look at Putin’s aggression in the arctic. Outright aggression. He is staking claim on Canada’s (our) international waters in complete contrast to international treaties his country signed. Tell me how we Canadian’s are screwing with Russia? Putin is the danger to stability.

    2. Dan Carlin has some good thoughts on this issue in his “Common Sense” podcast episode 270 entitled “Poking the Bear”. Dan also produces the “Hardcore History” podcast series so his taking history into consideration when looking at this conflict is a welcome change.

      Funny that the people that Victoria Nuland wanted to be in power in the Ukraine (in the infamous “f*ck the EU” recording) are exactly the people in power now. I thought we wanted Ukraine to be run by the Ukrainians?

      On a side note, check the Hardcore History podcast out Joe – it’s amazing, and being into history like you are you’d get a lot of value out of it.

    3. So just because Ukraine is on Russia’s borders it must be under the thumb of Putin? Ever heard of sovereignty? If Ukraine wants to have closer ties to Europe it should be free to do so without Russia creating a civil war. Those are the actions of imperialism and coupled with the sickeningly nationalistic tone currently coming out of RT and other Kremlin propaganda outlets is deeply troubling. How many more “Russians” in former Soviet territory will uncle Vlad have to save by arming them and sending in Russian troops? Hopefully the sanctions bite and his expansionism stops.

  5. Well-formed thoughts.

    I never understood the “boycott X race because…” agenda. At least when someone says “F1 should boycott…” It is the worst solution, IMHO, because it’s a WORLD Championship, it does not belong to Western society. When the East and the West boycotted each other’s Olympics, the Games were screwed as much as the contestants and everyone involved. Those people never got their chance back.

    The public on the Internet seems to have a short memory. No one cares about Bahrain anymore, hell, no one even cared when WEC went there the same year F1 had its controversy. I’m not sure I would be fully aware of the existence of Bahrain itself if F1 wasn’t there in the first place, but everyone else seemed to be an expert on Bahrain in 2012.

    No one cares about China (but everyone was massively upset during the Olympics) or the social problems of India and Brazil. There was a bit of murmur when in South Africa, but equally, no one cared about Hungary in the 80s.

    And everyone forgets about the paying fans at the tracks. Imagine if you had a ticket paid for and a race cancelled, because some people on thought your country’s political system was on the wrong.

    1. Removing India because of our social problems would be unjustified but heck they already decided shoot in their foot by removing the 2nd most populous country in the world, especially when eyeballs are dropping. I bet F1 won’t have even half of the current no. of fans if there wasn’t Sahara Force India. F1 needs to be patient with cuntries like India & China which have just started watching F1 & are in nascent stage when it comes to to motorsports. Especially India needs to be perdisted with keeping in mind that majority of our population is young. The govt. doesn’t want to sponsor F1, it has much bigger priorities but imagine if Dr Mallya decides to sell his team & the private race promoter becomes disinterested…F1 will lose soon to bethe most ppopulous country on planet atleast for decades!

        1. How does that reflect well, on F1, though? Some will take it as if the great sport deigned to consider India a 1st world nation, then said nyah nyah.. I would be pulling out stops to get India into F1. Just personally I think that would be the most interesting thing to do, in terms of actually growing this sport.

  6. The “feeling” that it was being used for propaganda purposes? A blind man could see that it was. It turned my stomach to watch it. The two helicopter shots, one with Putin and a bunch of empty seats around him, and then one with all his “comrades” listening dutifully showed everything-this race is solely about propaganda and photo ops.

  7. Obama bombs 7th country in 6 years. Let’s boycott Austin and USA’s closest allies UK and Australia. BBC (controlled by british elite), CNN (controlled by zionist), Fox News (controlled by neocons) etc.. are worse than the Russian propaganda. I’m from Slovakia, unfortunately Ukraine is our neighbor, we have a much better overview and understanding what is happening there. Looks like american/british propaganda doing its job very well, you’re the living example.

        1. Have a look at a map. Ukraine is a very big country. Look at where Slovakia is and then look at where the trouble is.

          1. I am from Ukraine, I am russian speaking population. I’m not oppressed by government. We have no Nazis here. What we do have, that’s russian soldiers at eastern part of our country, making civil war unstoppable until Putin takes them back. It’s a shame Jean Todt was sitting there and did nothing.

      1. So what? The democratically elected president was violently over thrown by foreign-sponsored mobs and far-right nutters and leading to a civil war after whole regions wouldn’t accept it.

        regularly commits war crime against russian speaking population

        at the Ukrainian parliament building in Kiev today a couple of hours ago

        Why? Because Ukraine’s parliament postpones vote on law giving Nazi veterans same status as USSR army veterans.

        BBC propaganda does not show these pictures, right?!

        1. I have a policy about links, which is I do not post them unless I specifically think they are useful. I do not allow them willy-nilly.

        2. I have a Serbian friend who categorically denies the genocide in the 90s took place, arguing that the Serbs were the victims and only Russia supports them and knows the truth.
          I’m not sure I’ll ever understand what it is about petty, small minded thugs that’s so lauded in that part of the world. Then again, I’m not sure I want to; they’re happiest under the thumb of a tyrant and don’t tend to interact well with reality, facts, or burdens of proof.

      2. It makes a difference because they are Russians who happen to live in a country whose borders were drawn by a Soviet leader (who was Ukrainian). As if the US/UK wouldn’t help prevent ethnic cleansing of their people in a neighbouring country. It would have turned into another Yugoslavia, we should be thanking Putin. And keep in mind Russia didn’t invade. We invade sovereign countries on the other side of the world on a whim.

            1. I have a lovly little timeshare in Vladivostok you may be interested in, it’s a ground level opportunity, literally. You send me the Rubles and the building never gets off the ground.

        1. Look up the brutal and bloody Russification of Ukraine. The lines drawn were historically accurate, but by the time that happened, many Ukrainians had either been killed, exiled or forced to erase their heritage and change their language to Russian.

          That’s why it’s especially ripe to hear Putin claim that he wants to protect Russian speakers, since many of the Russian speakers in Ukraine only do so because their ancestors switched languages to survive.

    1. I though the BBC was controlled by the left, as opposed to the elite? It’s notable watching the various news channels on Sky (British, European and US) that RT is the only station whose reports deviate or contradict all the others.

        1. Slovakia, Joe. Not Slovenia. I don’t have a horse in this race, just wanted to note that your slightly snide response would’ve held up better if it looked like you either cared about his geography, or cared about the detail in his post.

          Also, from my experience, living closer to the news typically gets you newspeople with higher sensitivities to the particular issue(s) at hand, and can often (not always) lead to more insightful and nuanced reporting.

          Cheers and thanks again on a great post.

          1. I have admitted the mistake and I have explained how it happened. I am well aware of the geography. I flew over most of it yesterday which is why I am a bit dozy.

          2. I think it’s unfair to keep harping on about this matter. Surely, someone who travels as much as Joe can’t be accused of geographic ignorance. I only raised the point to begin with as intentionally confusing countries is a common practice by lazy debaters when trying to trivialise an argument. Glad to see this is not the case here.

          1. Actually I do not. I simply made a mistake while typing the answer because I had published the comment before responding to it. When you duo this the comment disappears. So you can take your silly smug little comment and shove it.

          2. Excellent Danl ! It’s quite clear you are world expert on all geographical and political issues. I’m sure you will be short-lised for one the world’s great peace prizes very soon.

            We so much need a man like you to keep our thinking pure and correct.

      1. Ah the age old insult which depends on what you need to decry… I’ve worked for the BBC many times – it has top level managers who are decidedly establishment (read right leaning elites) and lots of operational personnel brought up with a decidedly socialist bent. But having worked in the news department for several years – the majority of people in the BBC are now brought up in the private sector and care mostly about ratings and commercial success.

        It’s a bit like these criticisms of Toto Wolff on some of the tin foil hat F1 sites – either he’s desperate for Rosberg to win and is conspiring against Hamilton as a non german – or – he just defends Lewis against anyone who’s not the same international celebrity – we (at least the nominally same group) know that really Toto wants to win and make a lot of money and probably couldn’t care less who wins out of his stable as long as they win.

        1. Infact i started disliking Toto when he came down heavily on Nico after that crash but is always afrsad of criticising Hamilton when he goes against the team

      2. BBC controlled by the left? You’re joking right? UKIP hysteria, media blackout of the Green Party? The left, of course.

        But back to the F1…

            1. It’s not like they’re faking news reports to promote warmongering agenda of the government

              Wink-wink, nudge-nudge…

          1. Right wing version of BBC bias = rational, logical and impartial reporting.

            “Did you see that report on the BBC last night? They only went and told both sides of a story. Shocking! I don’t pay my licence fee to hear what the other chap has to say. Some bloody darkie complaining we bombed his village. I tell you, if we did bomb his village, then he bloody well deserved it.”

      3. There was an interview recently, a month or 2 I think, on one of the late night comedy/talk shows (Daily Show with Jon Stewart) with an ex-reporter from RT who left because, I might be paraphrasing a little here, they’re just a mouthpiece for the Kremlin.

        That may explain why RT contradicts the other sources…

      1. 1stevec……..really feel sorry for you…must be lousy
        living in a real democracywhere the the guy your
        really, really dislike can actually become president.
        Even worse, according to some other US weirdo’s
        he’s not even a real American !

        Appalling !

        Must be pure hell !

    2. Hi Dani, I happen to live one country next doors to you, and while I don’t understand russian, I have come to appreaciate several local sources of getting information more directly than through translating english language reports, including having excellent reporters in UA and in Russia.

      What I can’t do, is confirm that the nonsense sprouted by Russian propaganda channels is better than the nonsense spewed by Fox etc. And the BBC and CNN have certainly many mistakes and influences, but at least they often try and get things accurate, even if they misunderstand some things from their perspective.

      That Russia blatantly cuts your countries supply of gas, to block you from helping out Ukraine does evidently not disturb you. It does worry me. It also worries me how many politicians, including Fico, our Zeman, Hungarian Orban and many parties on the far right (and on the communist left) are influenced or even receiving funds from the Kremlin.

      This has little to do with propaganda from either the US or the UK, its from sources in Russia itself, from Poland, from Slowakia, in the Czech republic as well as from Ukraine. Thing is, you have to be able to discern myth from facts. Repeating something does not make it true, and denying something does not make it less true if the actual facts are there to prove it.

    3. I have a pound of salt, in my kitchen… how far does that go? I smell the taste of capitalism, pinch by pinch!

      1. As a boy, I remember salt came in blocks (as butter did too) and occasionally a whole block is needed. We used to be told to throw it over our shoulder if we spilt any.

    4. One thing I’ve noticed with contrarians like you is that you often conflate slight bias with outright lies.

      CNN certainly has some bias, as do many papers. This is exhibited by selecting specific stories to share, which stories to focus on and which receive a passing mention, which are above the fold and which are below, which make the front page and which are lost somewhere on page 12, and which have language that imparts a subtle opinion in a reported story. That’s bias.

      RT and other Russian outlets do not have mere bias – they lie. They fabricate stories, they invent events entirely and they skew everything in favour of Putin.

      Bias gives you a slight tug towards the reporter’s or editor’s opinion, whereas what that takes place on RT outright lying.

      Saying that CNN and even the questionable Fox “News” is anywhere close to RT is laughable at best. I find it worrying that people like you actually fall for it.

      1. RT lies? Do you have an example of this? I didn’t say that RT is perfect… but RT is the best mainstream source for NSA, Snowden, Guantanamo, Iraq (Abu Ghraib)… news. I don’t care about 24/7 Pistorius (BBC), but I care about the privacy and human rights.

        Biritsh/american MSM coverage of Ukraine is probably the most jingoistic/propagandistic I’ve seen, makes coverage of Iraq in 2002-2003 look balanced.

    5. the difference is that when the US and friends accidentally kills innocent people it makes sure they live in mud huts so very few people care. russia’s problem is that they were implicated in killing people who could afford to fly on a jet plane. That kind of snafu gets the attention of people who can afford to fly on jet planes.

      putin has blood on his hands, show me a major player who hasn’t. bernie and todt don’t care what country kills innocent people as long as the cheque clears.

      1. Some may call this propaganda. 🙂

        Do you (and Joe) have any proof who shot down MH17? British tabloids don’t count 🙂

        MH17 preliminary report released by Dutch Safety Board a month ago but they did not say anything.

        1. Did I say that they did? Did I say that I thought it was deliberate? Do you think the Dutch Safety Board is going to say anything without having 100 percent proof. Did they say that they were not allowed full access to the crash site? You are either a propagandist or a victim of propaganda.

    6. Dani, you are 100% on the money. I’ve been trying mitigate this Anglo/Zionist propaganda for several weeks on Joe’s blog, with little success. It seems like Putin bashing is the flavour of the month on this site.. Obama, and the neocon crazies in the US State Department have been 100% responsible for the bloodshed in the Ukraine in the last 12 months.The little poodle Cameron does and says what Uncle Sam tells him to say.

      Now…the race. It was a snoozefest. Terrible show. More and more I am turning off, and agreeing with Adrian Newey that F1 chassis wise is GP1.
      It’s also very clearly an engine manufacturer formula at the moment, and the stupid engine freeze rule means we have eight cars in the top nine as in Austria with the same engine.

      The fact that we are talking about tyres that must degrade in a few laps to make the show is asinine.

    7. I stopped trusting BBC when they criticized the 2010 Delhi Commonwealth Games(better than 2014 Glasgow CWG) more than deseved & made some false stories!

  8. I wonder if F1 will ever put together the link between dropping audiences and greedy old men counting there money regardless of where it comes from ?

      1. I more meant the likes of the FIA and CVC,the ones that reap the biggest rewards and are able to do something about it if they chose.

      2. But will they ever get together with the balls to say it other than as anonymous sources? Maybe if the sponsors scare them into it?

  9. In an ideal world sport would transcend politics. But it doesn’t. The 80 and 84 Olympics show that. Worse when a Government advises a team not to do soething, but won’t stop them. I’m thinking of the England/Zimbabwe WC cricket match in 2003.England captain Nasser Hussain should never have been put in a position to have to be involved in deciding whether to play the match. With the press on his back, it was far too much. Have to admit I didn’t notice Putin turn up, but the kids have a sicky bug so I could have been ‘indesposed’ with one of them.

  10. It upsets me to see the comments area in your blog used to attack your observations Joe. You are a journalist and in the free world you are entitled to report what you see and hear without having to be attacked by your readers.

    As an aside I thought Lewis did a great job with Putin in the pre-podium waiting area. Professional enough to shake his hand but brave enough not to socialise with him, I felt he maintained a moral high ground in a very difficult situation.

    Not that Bernie should have put him in that situation of course…

    1. I think people are looking far too deeply into something and looking for meaning where there was none.

      Lewis walked in and just did his usual routine of towelling off his head and fluffing his hair which he does every time we see him in the waiting room before a podium ceremony. After he turned round he saw who was there and politely shook Putin’s hand.

      Stop making a bigger deal out if it then it needs to be and trying to invent some kind of subtext.

    2. Ahem . Steve ole bean ; Rule #1 ; Once you’ve thrown something out for public consumption in the general arena [ and there is nothing more general than the internet ] … by inference … you have given carte blanche permission to the general public to – praise – criticize – attack – defend – tear apart – build up – promote – or demote that which you have placed in the public eye .

      No matter who … or what [ including artist – pundit – musician – politician etc ] you may be . To put it kindly .. Politically Correct … doe not apply out here in the real world of being in the public view . And if you think for a moment it does … may I heartily recommend that you do not chose a profession that exposes you to the general public’s eye . Cause honestly … if you do .. you will not survive . Its ugly out here . And kudos to Joe for A) Recognizing that fact .. and B) Giving the opportunity to his ‘ public ‘ to criticize as well as praise . That Steve ole bean .. takes fortitude … and a healthy set of stones

      1. Thank you Reverend.

        The internet providing a soapbox for people not worth listening to since 199? But if it makes you feel better than hey, it’s worth it.

        Steve seems to be a civil guy with manners, nothing wrong with that. We’d all be better off with more like him.

        The General arena – translation ‘the crazies’ , the mob. Shakespeare had a good handle that group.

        Finally remember, and this is important!

        Al Gore gave you the ‘information super highway’ and he can take it away! (David Letterman)

  11. If people are talking about principles and Putin, why do the same people not think of USA as getting too adventurous in the Middle East? America wants to poke its nose anywhere possible and be a hero over and over again. Why this bias? How does it matter if Putin came? The race went on well and only that should matter.

      1. The race VP … was a boring travesty of a parade posing as an F1 race with more internal problems than any of the press is willing to own up to just like the Winter Olympics . Not wanting to offend Vlad the Impaler after all the billions of Russian money he threw away on both events as well as Vlad being such a treasured and trustworthy ally

        By the way … you might want to take notice that NO US government official makes any attempts at a grand standing presence at the USGP .. unlike Vlad who never misses out on the opportunity to capitalize on a potential moment of propaganda . Say what you will about us [ and lets place the blame on the Middle East squarely where it belong … on the shoulders of the former British Empire who created the mess we’re now dealing with the consequences of ] At least our politicians .. with the exception of GWB .. are able to maintain at least a semblance of dignity

        Loved the Vlad the Impaler in a Race Car posters all over Sochi by the way … wink wink

        1. Okay. I agree that US officials don’t put on a show like Putin did. You, me and many others may not have liked what Putin did. But what can you do about it? If Bernie says that they race in Russia or Zimbabwe or Somalia, the others jolly well do it. We can keep discussing all we want.

          1. “Okay. I agree that US officials don’t put on a show like Putin did.”
            That’s because our “president” is too busy playing golf.

            1. chrisyurhee…infantile comment.

              Pure Obama bashing at it’s worst.

              President George W. Bush spent 879 days on holiday during his eight years in office.

      2. I am saying very few people raise their voices when America bombs whichever country it wants. Not many seem to mind that. But when Russia does whatever, they are villains. What Russia did is probably very wrong but why are only they the bad guys? I don’t think too many guys in Europe (read NATO) have the guts to tell America to mind their business.

        I did not mean to say that nobody should bother about suffering in that part of the world, or anywhere else for that matter. But what can people like you and me do about the Ukraine-Russia situation? Only write about it to say how bad we feel for the innocents that get killed or have to vacate their homes. Even when the races were held in India, there were still a lot of innocent Indians getting killed by the so-called holy war guys. Maybe the media can make a difference in their own country. But beyond feeling bad for, say, people in Iraq or Afghanistan, what can you and I do? The same goes for Ukraine/ Russia.

        Bernie Ecclestone is a businessman. A businessman’s job is to make money. What can anyone do if he wants to make money in Russia too?

        1. “What Russia did is probably very wrong but why are only they the bad guys?”

          In what world is arming a rebel group with extended range SAM’s and murdering a plane load of innocents only “probably very wrong”? In my world it is called a criminal act and Russia needs to be held accountable for their actions.

        2. Vivek, do you think America all on it’s own decides which countries to bomb, where, and when?

          Interceding to stop atrocities is not unilateral intervention.

          Personally I would prefer my country regress to the 1930’s isolationist policies and allow countries to destroy their own citizens at the whim of whoever happens to seize control.

          Wouldn’t that make for a wonderful world!

      3. I suspect the Bias he means is you probably wont write during the US race, numerous comments about Americas mostly illegal wars around the world?

        1. How hard is it for you to understand that this is only an issue in motor racing when someone invades the F1 cool room and podium in search of self-promotion? If an American did that I would react in the same way. The fact is that they do not do it and you need to ask yourself why. You have had your say now. Enough.

          1. At least he kept his shirt on. Surprised he did not show up in a Nomex race suit, wait for the private team session photo opp. where citizens can cheer the great man on pretending to be impressed as he does a clunky lap.

          2. Well, here’s my modest remark from Slovenia, not Slovakia nor Slavonia.

            The cool room TV show was quite bizarre, wasn’t it? I felt nobody actually knew exactly what to do, Putin just standing there looking desperately out of place, and behaving so too. Handshakes were offered by the drivers (as a modest bow to the Czar?) while I would expect enough charisma from Putin to take the initiative and sincerely congratulate the winner and other two as they entered the room. I really wonder how Obama would do if he was in the same position.

    1. I think the main issue was the deviation from the norm, you do not get other heads of state in the driver cool down room. Why did they change that this time? Why did they change the anthem presentation? Yes acknowledging Jules was a part of that but I don’t think it was everything.

      Yes the US is overhanded and get involved in everything. I deplore their militaristic ways. The problem is two fold, 1) they feel obliged to act as they purport to stand for liberty and are following a normative idea of the world, at least outwardly. There are those in their ranks who benefit immensely from these tragedies but 2) they were entrusted with the role of world police in the fallout of the WWII on account that they were spooked enough locally to act abroad and once they acted and nobody batted an eye they were obliged to act again and again. They have done some good, but for every bullet fired in good you receive a bullet back in blood. that is the biggest problem, you cannot do good, anyone you act against will take it to a new level if they can.

    2. The only way this is even vaguely an apt comparison is if Obama shows up at the Austin GP and demands to present the trophies and get adequate tv time…

      Even then – it’s not about false equivalency – it’s about how F1 makes itself look bad.

      1. “The only way this is even vaguely an apt comparison is if Obama shows up at the Austin GP and demands to present the trophies and get adequate tv time…”
        He’s too busy playing golf to do such a thing.

      2. No, it’s actually if Obama shows up halfway through the race, and gets to hang out in the driver cool down room making small talk. Putin is used to being the most important person in 99% of rooms. Even Bernie knows not to swan around in the foreground when the important people (Lewis, Nico, Valteri) are in the spotlight. The last time I remember anything this blatant is Turkey ’06.

    3. Did you see Obama handing out not one but two trophies? Did you see Obama glad-handing in the debrief room? Did you see Obama sitting next to Bernie in a carefully orchestrated photo op?

      No. You didn’t. Obama doesn’t use the USGP for political gain. He might not even know it’s taking place. That is a true separation between sport and politics.

      Also, the US isn’t actively trying to invade Canada or Mexico. They aren’t attempting to redraw maps and expand their territory. Russia is providing weapons and troops, and after toppling Crimea, they’re trying to expand into mainland Ukraine. The simplest evidence of this is the “separatists” trying to gain territory; if they solely wanted independence, they would be happy with the territory they’re in and wouldn’t be trying to invade other cities. That’s the smoking gun right there.

      1. Astonishingly there are other sports besides Formula 1… Obama invites the Superbowl winners to the White House and has even thrown a ball with the Red Sox, who play a form of Rounders called a World Series…

        His predecessors have invited such as Petty and Andretti to Washington.

        Perhaps it’s just Formula 1 which is not important to them…

      2. The US has spent the last 100 years trying to re-draw the map and politics of South America.
        When the Soviets got involved in Cuba the US went ballistic. The US has the CIA all over Ukraine and will put missiles there, I think Russia has been pretty reasonable.

        Russia has stated many times it has no intention of invading Ukraine. Unlike with the US, you can believe them.

        The Russia speaking people in eastern Ukraine just didn’t want ethnically cleansed off the planet.

          1. But… politics in sport is the subject under discussion here… why when someone points out that Russia is hardly the the worst offender on the racing calendar does the subject suddenly become unacceptable?

            1. You don’t seem to understand that it is not about sport visiting countries that have done wrong. It is about the sport being used. If we refused to go to countries that are accused of doing bad things we would not be able to go anywhere. It is only an issue when the sport is linked to the politics. i.e.: Bahrain and Russia.

    4. If the Ukrainians started dropping airliners on the Kremlin and Russian office towers, pulling random Russian journalists and Aid workers of the street and beheading them on TV, and publicly exhorting their countrymen to kill any Russian they saw, then mainstream western opinion probably would shift towards Putin. Maybe this is in fact happening and not being reported on over here, not sure, but so far I have not been seeing it. Note that there was significantly less animosity towards Putin by the West when the Chechens were busy killing theatrefuls of Mouscovites and school kids in Beslan and his response to that.

      The US would be happy to leave the Middle East alone. Unfortunately the Middle East seems to be unable to live in any kind of harmony with each other and repeatedly goads the US into getting involved. If a tribe in the Middle East decided just to kill others within their own tribe, nobody would care. If ISIS wants to set up camp in the middle of an unoccupied area and play house there, that’s be fine too. It’s when they start to attack others and affect other interests that the world wakes up and sometimes takes notice. You may have noticed that the US has become very close to being energy independent. The US needs the Middle East to a much lesser extent than in the last few decades. If the Middle East wants to live in peace, they should try doing so for a while. There are plenty of problems in the West that wold be a better beneficiary of the money and attention spent on the Middle East, the US people do not want to be involved in the Middle East, they don’t want to be a here, in fact if they never heard about the Middle East again they’d be thrilled. Some factions in the Middle East won’t let them forget about them though.

      1. Those crackpots are killing foreigners because America is trying to be the big brother. For example, why did they go to Iraq in the first place? Saddam Hussein was a rogue but are things any better now? If there is a problem in the Middle East, let them solve it. India and Pakistan have problems too. Does India invite third parties to come and give their esteemed opinions? My government has always kept other governments away and we deal with our problems the way we think they should be dealt with.

          1. “Those crackpots are killing foreigners because America is trying to be the big brother.”
            Orthodox islam has been a problem for over a thousand years. It’s like a yoyo. They have been killing non-muslims for centuries.
            The crusades were a response to the two caliphates of Europe.

          2. Joe, this American does not see it another way! VP is on the money. The Middle East would be just fine, like it was for hundreds of years, if the US/UK/Zionists would just butt out and LEAVE IT ALONE.

        1. Once your government (I have no idea which that is) is attacked on their soil or if your citizens are attacked or killed for no valid reason besides being in a different country that they entered legally, I would certainly hope your government starts to defend their country and you, amongst others. And if they are unable to do it themselves they should ask for help. Better to be proactive than to wait until the “crackpots” start to climb over your wall.

          If you let a foreigner (journalist, aid worker, tourist, whatever) into your country, your government also by implication bears some responsibility for that foreigner’s well-being. If your government can’t or won’t defend itself, it will be up to others to do so, either by actively getting involved or at least to start by disallowing travel by their citizens to that country. If your government refuses all help and is willing to allow its citizens and itself to be decimated, well, then good luck to you. There are many different styles of government, there are plenty of internal civil wars, but the minute citizens of country A attack country B, everyone starts paying attention as they could be next in line.

          Germany, for all its past troubles and transgressions, famously pretty much refuses to get involved in most conflicts to the extent than many other countries in the world do. However, as soon as the crackpots inflict major casualties on German soil, I think you would see a very quick and different view among the German citizenry and government. They may wait a bit longer than perhaps, the US, Britain, or France would, i.e. let them get closer to the walls but once breached the gloves would come off.

          Saddam would probably have been left alone to rape, pillage, and kill his countrymen and women if he didn’t invade Kuwait in the early 90’s. His problem was he didn’t respect his own borders. The US gov’t undoubtedly duped the US public into supporting the war on false assertions, but the point remains, and I have yet to meet someone that disagrees, that Saddam needed to go. Perhaps people are forgetting about Hitler and what happened when the world looked away at first. Sure, maybe you believe the US should not have gotten involved there either. Probably they wouldn’t have if Hitler would have kept within his borders. In the end though, I think there are a lot of people across Europe that think US involvement helped to end that one as opposed to people thinking the US should have stayed home.

          Joe, sorry to get a bit (OK, a lot) off-topic. Keep up the good work.

          1. Wow! Ok so you don’t know that the US/UK put Saddam into power in Iraq? We then supported him for over ten years? He was a football player until ‘we’ ‘helped’ him become president. Look it up…

              1. Scott D’s point is that other countries involve themselves in far worse things than Russia is being accused of, things that are not disputed and which have had catastrophic consequences, but yet those countries involvement in F1 is not drawn into question on moral grounds. Scott D did not bring up the subject of politics in F1, it’s a major part of this particular blog entry, if not it’s central subject. Its hard not to think you just don’t like Russia and are intent on singling this nation out for it’s supposed crimes while objecting to anyone who points out the crimes of other nations F1 has no issue being involved with.

    5. What? No. The US is in fact completely tying its hands behind it’s back with respect of intervention against IS. The Economist’s print edition (reprinted online) has solid analysis on it, if you’re interested.

  12. Lewis “loved Sochi so much” that he “can’t wait to come back” and would like to “come back for a holiday”.

    Good grief.

    1. Gary, it’s quite understandable… that’s the kind of thing those who fall into the vacuous clutches of me me me celebrity culture do say

    2. I really liked this little peek into the mind of a F1 driver…
      Hamilton: “…landing here was like landing in a real nice holiday destination – with mountains that I hear in the winter you can ski on, which I had no idea you could ski over here.”
      Yes, $50 billion dollars on the winter Olympics, and Lewis didn’t even notice. Lewis is very good at driving cars, but years of training means he rarely says anything that means anything about anything. Apparently, he’s “pushing as hard as he can!”

  13. Hi Joe, slightly off topic but do you have any plans for another Aside with Joe? Always great value and informative. Thanks

      1. Some nations destabilized the whole region. Pumped incredible amounts of money into that. Trained and armed rebels that by their own admission they can’t distinguish from terrorists. And let’s not forget about two wars started after blatant lies (Nayirah, WMD). I think it’s now safe to say that over a million lives were lost as a result of those actions.

        And we are now racing in those countries without reservation about their awful leaders and their policies. That was my point.

  14. The problem with having Putin up on the stage in the glory is that we have people down here in Austin wanting Obama to come here for the USGP.

    Texas and Obama don’t mix, I’d rather he stay on the golf course than come here to our race.

    Oops, I just put politics in to the racing conversation…

    1. Texas has a way of dealing with them pesky liberal presidents eh Steve. “Come for a drive Barak, wave at the friendly crowds….”

  15. Russia was allowed to host the Olympics, by definition a celebration of humanity, I highly doubt Bernie lost much sleep over putting F1 there and for the purposes of the facts at hand F1 is but a spec is comparison to the Olympics.

    Unprincipled money grubbers are going to unprincipled money grub. I think the point not mentioned in the article was that the race was deadly boring and not simply because of the Mercedes advantage.

    When my friends ask why I follow F1 and I say because I love watching crap races in despot countries, I doubt a new audience will be created.

      1. You realise the Crimea was always part of Russia until Khrushchev gave it to the Ukraine. We ‘the west’ have been fighting to get that from Russia for 150 years, don’t you think may be influencing how it’s reported?

          1. How about the Crimean people themselves, do they not have a voice in this? It seems that their desire to be a part of Russia and not Ukraine is not relevant at all. Would it not rather be incumbent on the supporters of democracy to champion the desires of people rather than politics. If Crimea or any land does not first and foremost belong to those who live there then something is very wrong in the world. I live with someone who was born and raised in Crimea and from all accounts from family and friends the event of joining Russia was more than welcome, in fact it was highly desired for… well since the fall of the Soviet Union.

            One could rather comment “shame the West does not accept the sovereign right of choice for all peoples everywhere, including those in Crimea.”

  16. Living in a country as a foreigner for a very long time a country that manipulates controls all news to have a positive spin for the ruling party. A place that blocks access to outside news and views.

    The one thing that is obviously different between Russia and here is that the public in Russia actually believe what they are told. Here the public just laugh at the bullshit and get on with living.

    Besides the trolls that reply to some off this stuff probably work for the Govt in question.

  17. Right or wrong the race has been and gone and will probably be there next year.

    The Russians missed a trick by not having their ‘May Day Parade’ along the grid complete with tanks, armoured vehicles, rockets and soldiers 😉

    Rumour has it Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are presenting the prizes in Austin.

        1. It had about 1000 people taking part. There was some idiotic dancing linked to F1 then dancing Cossacks and then a Russian flag the length and width of the main straight. Leni Riefenstahl would have loved it.

          1. Wow ! Leni Riefenstahl….yeah….she would have made a wonderful movie
            that would have had the Fuhrer drooling…ooops, of course I mean our
            great, freely-elected President of all the Russias, don’t I ?

          2. I believe there have been parades including a very large national flag at other events in the past. Magny-Cours had a huge display of the French national colours in three giant ribbons down the main grandstand. Band of the Coldstream Guards at Silverstone, etc. etc. Prime ministers there from time to time too, IIRC. Agree the incursion of Putin into the drivers’ room was uncalled for, but perhaps he asked and no-one (Bernie) was inclined to refuse…

            1. We also had the deputy PM with Charlie on the starting gantry and all the footage of Putin and Bernie in the grandstand. The flag, by the way, was not the 25 metre thing at Magny-Cours, it was the length of the entire straight, several hundred metres long. I felt it was just bigger and more obvious propaganda than normal. This in itself was not the primary complaint, however. That was the whole Putin in the cool room business, which was was outrageous. I also want to see if the drivers are called to the front of the grid for all national anthems in future. That is what we were told would happen but I doubt it.

          3. So by your own account, a colorful display emphasizing the Russian flag at the inaugural Russian GP? Kind of like the French always had a giant French flag on display at every French GP?

            Again this just seems like someone bent on an anti Russian account of all. What is the actual issue here if its not personal prejudice Joe?

            1. Did you see the Russian display? No, so don’t lecture me about it. I watched the whole thing. Secondly. The problem here was not just the overly nationalistic feeling but the intrusion of Putin in the cool room, the TV fixation with him. It was propaganda. If you cannot see this then I am afraid that you are not very smart.

        2. Nice reference there, Joe! She would have done and made the most of it! And quite a lot of people fell for it too!

  18. The overriding issue is F1s claim to be apolitical. This weekend turned into a political event with the coverage of Putin. I’m sure F1 will get a lot of flak over the coming days but neither Vlad or Bernie will care.

    I fully expect a classic Bernie sound bite along the lines of “I don’t see what all the fuss is about, he seems very nice to me.” The drivers post race room looked very tense and I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out they did not know Putin would be there given how strained things looked.

  19. Seeing the Shell logo at an event in Russia a few months after the Russians murdered 193 Dutch was bizarre. There must have been some awkward conversations back at Shell HQ, well at least I hope there were.

  20. I quite agree. If ISIS wanted a street race in Mosul and had the cash I’m sure you’d need to be off there too. I’m afraid I don’t share your reverence for “journalists” these days. There are a few, of which you are one, but I’m afraid the golden age of ethical journalism as a profession is way behind us.

  21. Hi Joe,
    what did you think of the race attendance numbers? Martin Brundle/Crofty mentioned a figure of 55,000 (from memory). Seems a bit low to me, but interested in an actual expert opinion!

    Cheers
    Julian

  22. I think that pretty much nails it.

    A Russian friend who’s shown no previous interest in F1 flew down from Moscow to do the corporate entertainment gig and has written to say it was ‘absolutely fantastic event’. There’s, at least, 1 new fan.

    However, I’d like to help broaden the views of the ‘senior F1 insider’ that expressed the disparaging view of Putin.

    Correct, he’s been at fault this year (the Tony Blair moment?), but stop to think about this, the next GP is the US and the majority of the States have the legal right to execute their own citizens.

    To me, a Brit, that’s contemptible.

    But rarely acknowledged.

    When we in the West get up on our moral high horses about Putin we often overlook our own failings.

    Did anybody mention China’s recent probings around its borders, or the incidents in the South China Sea this year that have frightened its smaller neighbours? Or their own predilection for executions.

    I thought not, they’re ‘good’ people who make stuff for us, cheaply. And buy our debt.

    As for the Russian journalist that wants to stay home, much the same advice broaden your outlook.

    1. the next GP is the US and the majority of the States have the legal right to execute their own citizens.

      To me, a Brit, that’s contemptible

      For virtually all of British, and before that, English history the death penalty has been in force and almost universally accepted. The few decades without it are a blip on the radar. If a referendum were held in the UK (or most EU states) on its reinstatement today it would win easily. So the contempt you feel is just a fashionable or personal prejudice of individuals like yourself that is not anywhere close to being a universally accepted norm. Though the Ukrainian situation is not cut and dried it involves something deemed universally crucial to all political entities over centuries, namely the territorial integrity of a state. Occasionally borders do need to change but there is way to go about it and fairly widely acknowledged that Putin’s recent methods offend not just personal or fashionable prejudices but the basis of the international state system.

      Needless to say MH17 was very clear cut but the way the Russians handled this accident has been an insult to the victims, their families, and to the integrity of long established international accident investigation procedures and norms.

      To compare the above to domestic laws on crime and punishment is simplistic and an example of missing the big picture. Also, Putin’s weird appearance with the drivers on Sunday felt like an attempt to rub EU/US/Canadian/Australian/Ukrainian etc noses in their impotence and thus demoralise opposition to Russian policies whilst reinforcing his domestic image as a strong man who can take on the West. That all seems kind of political to me!

    2. Well since we are so far off topic SimonC, to me as a Brit, the majority of States in the USA have that aspect of their laws in tune with the majority of British Citizens. If we had more respect for the rights of people to live unharmed in our society, there would be far less violent crimes, as there were when I was a child.

  23. A couple of observations Joe.
    The Putin Show reminded me inevitably of the 1936 Olympic spectacular with another eminently reasonable leader posturing and showboating to a loyal crowd who had all swallowed the propaganda they were being fed regarding their nation’s attitudes to its neighboring nations.

    As for Bernie …I guess when he’s standing next to Putin he seems a reasonable person. Don’t get me wrong I admire what he has done to and for F1 but you do wonder whether the Bernie circus would have gone to Nuremburg or Berlin in the late 30s. I sadly suspect it might.

    The situation in the drivers room prior to the podium turned my stomach and BE should have known better. I hope those pictures don’t come back to haunt him and our sport.

    As for it being a borefest…I despair. True it wasn’t the most interesting race we have had all season but there was overtaking, there were enforced alternative strategies and there was a result that ensures uncertainty in the battle for the drivers’ championship.

    Poor old Pirelli – they just can’t do right. It is hard to understand why they continue to persist in a sport that blames them whatever they do. To much deg or not enough deg there’s always someone having a pop, yet they just go about there business in a dignified and professional manner.

    Pirelli I salute you! Paul Hembury I nominate you for FI’s Unsung Hero of the Year Award.

    1. I thought it was an excellent race, reminiscent of those of yore, before we had pits stops except for emergency maintenance. A Prost/Senna type of race, in terms of tyres. The track layout was good and liked by all the drivers asked by the leftist BBC 🙂

  24. I did not watch this race in view of Putin´s annexation of the Crimea and involvement in Eastern Ukraine where he had 2,000 Russians there long before this crisis erupted – It was planned a long time ago and protecting Russian speaking people is just and excuse for trying to create New Russia.

    1. I have a policy about links, which is I do not post them unless I specifically think they are useful. I do not allow them willy-nilly.

  25. Given Monsieur Todt’s penchant for using Formula One as a venue to entertain the world’s esteemed dignitaries, how snubbed do you think he was when Bernie got to sit next to Putin?

    Also, if the FIA needs a guide as to when an event should not be sanctioned, how about when the FIA delegate is a senior figure in a state security service?

    1. I loved it! As I think Putin deserves an Nobel Peace price – for stopping us bombing the hell our of Assad in Syria… which would have led to ISIS gaining control of the whole country.
      Obama got the prize then proceeded to supply Israel during its destruction of Gaza (amongst countless other very bush-like decisions)

  26. You’ll never see Obama at a podium presentation in Austin, inaugural race or not. And yes, other US presidents have attended NASCAR races, but NASCAR is not an international series playing other countries national anthems on podiums.

  27. Bernie, Todt, FOM, FIA, et. al., can NEVER again say politics and F1 are separate. Regardless of one’s views of Putin as murderer or hero, this reeked of political grand standing by Putin AND Bernie, AND Todt. No fewer than four shots of Putin and Mr. E canoodling then the uncomfortable cool down room visit, all preceded by the unprecedented demand for absolute silence during the anthem. All three of these are fine for any given race IF THEY WERE THE NORM, but they are not, this was an exception and hence it is far too transparent that F1 and politics DO GET INTERMIXED, MR. E!!!! We all know Bernie cares 1st, 2nd,…1,000,000th about money, but his blatantly stupid, head in the mud politic statements over the years show he always will mix the two regardless of what he says. Want to truly separate the two. Then either invite political leaders to the green room, have them give the trophies, demand anthem silence for EVERY race, NOT one of nineteen.

  28. Afternoon Joe, I will not comment about Putin in the drivers cool down room but I did not watch it. I will comment on the boring race that we had to sit through. At the end of last season I canceled my Sky F1 channel even thought we were expecting new rules, new cars and the like. I am glad I am not paying for this season as it too is boring The Russian GP was just another I will follow you if you follow me. Can’t something be done to get things exciting again? Thanks for letting me rant. John

    1. “I will comment on the boring race that we had to sit through. At the end of last season I canceled my Sky F1 channel even thought we were expecting new rules, new cars and the like. I am glad I am not paying for this season as it too is boring”

      You’ve not seen the races yet you proclaim that they’ve been boring, you sound like one of those people who pickets a film and calls for its ban without ever watching a single frame.

      Apart from Sochi the races have been far from boring for the most part, while Mercedes have been dominant there has been excellent racing through the field and the best I can recall for a very long time. Even when Mercedes is well in the lead there is often some good dicing between Hamilton and Rosberg.

  29. I know a few people including myself that watched the race, as we watch all of them, turned off the TV when Putin was the pre-podium waiting room. I would assume he handed out the trophy on the podium,but don’t know or really care.
    Politics and sports will always mix, it up to the individual to decide when to hit the off button….

  30. So often I’d like to click a +1 just to leave a vote of support for your article. More efficient that me writing this (and saves you time having to read it, approve it etc).

  31. In my opinion Joe . The only thing worse than the Sochi track [ I forced myself to watch about 20 minutes of qualifying and the first 20 minute of the race as well as having two ‘ associates that attended ] which is about as featureless as any track that ever hosted an F1 race [people have the nerve to criticize Las Vega / Dallas / Phoenix / Valencia while praising Sochi ? ]….

    …..was the blatant , excessive , ludicrous and intellectually insulting propaganda put forth by the US commentators working for NBCSN in regards to the race , pro Putin hype as well as that pitiful excuse of an industrial zone parking lot , complete with sports arena [ a common occurrence here in the US ] … posing as anything even vaguely resembling a race track !

    Honestly .. with all the ____ going on in F1 that is gradually bringing the ‘ sport ‘ [ what little is left of it ] to its knees … the last thing F1 needed was to go playing in Vlad the Impalers backyard

  32. Did Putin get to much attention? Yes and No. Yes, because “we” for good reasons don’t like him, because of his policy. That is, why I felt very uncomfortable seeing him there getting that attention. No, because he did what every politician does. Trying to get attention. Did he got more than e. g. Prince Albert in Monaco? Who simply inherited his post and Monaco got reprimanded by E.U because of the lack of parlamentary influence. But he seems like a nice guy and has no blood on his hands, so whatever, I guess? Formula 1 always went to places that hardly can be described as “western democracies”, like South Africa during apartheid to name just one example. It is up to our governments to change Putins policies, but not the job of F1.

  33. I shall doff my cap to anyone who can construe a genuine political insight, arising from the fact of this race happening.

    just anecdotally, the Russians and Russian speakers I know are a very quiet almost conservative lot, far from being given to outbursts as I read here and abouts, which for all i know are provided by ultra right westerners wanting to false flag a debate with vitriol. Patriotism gets sometimes a bit outrageous, but that’s usually drink talk. I got a right flag waving urge at a comment, above, but i can’t translate having a stupid bemused grin on my face into words to get the tone of any reply “in kind” quite right. How common is the proverbial rabid political zealot, in normal life? I think sightings are over reported, compared to reality.

    Pinching a bit of thought form a work conversation of a minute ago, I guess one could “onramp” all the data that leaks from browsing habits and potentially discern either nil or a awful lot about who visits any page. (sorting the null results is a separate sub industry, you only slip once..) We have such a strange world. I just remembered my Latin master asking me whether technically a “viewscreen” is possible.. oh, baby geek me argued that the physical technology to display and to record is different, ignoring you just have two separate things.. but I might have said the comforting thing to a then elderly academic. (it was 1984, that year)

    why does anyone worry about totalitarianism, when whoever can sign up to immense resources to track your life for peanuts? Who was it who said, you just need the right letterhead? (Always with “From the desk of…”, top left, for full effect.)

    Nah, let’s get radical, and propose exams for elected politicians, or something crazy like that. We could make it multiple choice: “TerGenerational Deficit + Infinite Bankruptcy = Growth and Prosperity, Y/N?”

    Some argue it was the East German Stasi who were the most frightening of all totalitarian organisations, but they thrived on the pettiness of twitching curtains. And what is Facebook, but modern net curtains, tantalizingly drawn a little to amuse one’s “friends” or ego? (your data from there costs a few pennies more, but I can afford it, anyone can, they just make you buy bulk…)

    I think politics follows the “no healthy man .. aware of his bones..” principal. In that once you descend into seeing politics in everything, feeling every niggle and ache, the body must be rotten.

    That aside, if with permission, we may all let rip, maybe that’d do some good, let off some steam? I just hate to think what a foolish record we’d all feel we left behind, not hardly a deep breath afterwards. Then again, I would be tempted, for fun… just to tarnish forever my permanent record the more!

    The pixels burn, so let them, but as this screen refreshes, maybe it is I, or you, who needs to redisplay a more vital life.

  34. Was it just me, or did Bottas show the least interest in both shaking Putin’s hand and commenting on Russia? I know Finland and Russia haven’t always been pals, historically…

    When Bottas was asked how if felt to have the first ever fastest lap in a Russian GP [in the modern era/as part of a world championship], he completely ignored the question with a pained look on his face and thanked the team. I read into that as him not wanting to say anything that could be construed as a positive comment about Russia, but then again I couldn’t read his mind and Finns can be somewhat hard to read to begin with.

  35. This is silly. We just had a very successful first race in an important market and you’re all complaining that Putin showed up?

  36. I was always uneasy about going to Russia, after I watched the Winter Olympics and watching Putin basking on live TV in its reflected glory. Then he did the same thing again in the weekends race. He’s using these things as some sort of political points scoring system. Not that Ecclestone gives a damn – money is money is money to him, where its come from or the purpose for which the money is being paid is irrelevant.

    Nice touch I saw when Putin and Ecclestone sat together in the stands. So, that’s two dictators enjoying each others company, I thought

    1. No, Putin has a very healthy majority unlike David Cameron who has barely a third of the UK vote. Now that is what I call a dictatorship!
      International monitors have concerns over some election practises in Russia but then there are plenty of concerns raised of some recent UK elections!

      You’ll have to read international media to find hear about though, sadly not many on here do (unless it’s F1 related)

        1. Wow… like, Wow… The King too
          Let’s float this puppy on the stock market this year… what could possibly go wrong. Who needs the pesky New Jersey guys when BE’s got Tony Soprano times a few.

  37. Was I alone in noticing that Lewis Hamilton was the only driver to keep his cap on during the immediate pre race ceremony for the national anthem when the drivers assembled at the front of the grid. Did he forget his manners or was he trying to send a message I wonder?

    1. Joe, are you able to confirm the comment Martin Brundle made on his grid walk re all future races requiring the drivers to stand at the front of the grid for the national anthem? Understandably Sochi was a special and hopefully rare case following the terribly sad event at Suzuka.

        1. It is (or perhaps, sadly, used to be) normal courtesy to stand still and stop talking during any national anthem.

          Now even the drivers on the podium sometimes find it impossible to stand still for 30 seconds without waving to someone, etc, Ricciardo being an honorable exception. Hurrumph ….

  38. I can’t agree with this article Joe, and your opinion through your reporting surely doesn’t come out clear, if there was such an intention.

    Yes, I was also shocked at the crass intrusion of Putin into the podium room of awkward conversations. It was unnecessary, and stank of self-interest. But how we got from a cheap publicity shot to MH 17 and the Ukrainian troubles is beyond me.

    That Russian media is controlled by their state says nothing, and to say this is not the case in the west is naive at best. Propaganda is everywhere, or shall we forget “Putin’s missile” headlines on British tabloids in reference to MH 17? I remind you that these were printed only a few hours after the attack and without any reasonable grounds other than western politicians’ claims. Furthermore, I won’t dispute that Putin has “Blood in his hands”. But, can you honestly point out a leader from a western power with clean paws?

    As many other have already pointed out, next race takes place at a country involved in overseas military operations in 7 countries. Russia has (allegedly) supported an uprising in a neighbouring state, and most importantly, conducted by ethnic Russians. How is this different from the British involvement at the Falkland Islands? And I find it laughable that someone aware of the numerous overseas territories under British control would find the Crimea annexation such an outrageous issue.

    Again, just to be clear, I am not a fan of Putin’s populist image or his foreign policies. However, with Putin what you see is what you get. Western powers have long supported similar bloodsheds under the guise of liberators, and are consistently involved in illegal conflicts. Don’t throw rocks in a glass house etc.

    As ever, respectfully yours.

        1. If you a re going to make comments on this blog please try to indicate what it is is you are commenting about. Your comment makes no sense to me at all. I have no idea to what you are referring

          1. Apologies for not making sense. My comment was an observation on your article’s general feel, Russian media – biased, Western media – impartial. I also presented examples of how the troubles that Russia is involved in bear resemblance to questionable actions many western powers got into.

            1. Russian media is censored. That’s not the same as biased. Many news outlets are biased in the west but you have a selection of biases. On top of that you have many objective sources for news. We are in a position to form our own opinions and express them.

    1. The British do not have an involvement in the Falklands, they govern themselves, but want to remain as a part of Britain, that is their right and 99% of them want it to stay that way. Why do left wing minded people, always want to over rule the wishes of people who just want to live their lives how they want, and be in peace? Is it disturbing for left minded people that others are having a nice quiet life, so it has to be ****** up by Guardianistas? Similarly, in Crimea and Ukraine, people living there just want a quiet peaceful life without being ordered around by Putin and his criminal cronies. It’s not rocket science.

      1. First of all, you can stick your assumption about my political leaning and newspaper of choice where the sun don’t shine. Secondly, since you talk of democracy and popular opinion, there was a referendum in Crimea, and over 95% of locals voted to join Russia, as they didn’t want to be slaughtered by the Nazi Ukrainian junta. Not rocket science indeed.

  39. Joe, I was hoping to see just this sort of post. I was beginning to wonder what sort of pact the F1 community had signed in regards to this matter. Nary a peep…

    I was not pleased at all with the stage they gave Putin. Shots of him rubbing shoulders with Bernie is to be expected, but having him in the driver’s room and handing out trophies was appalling.

    I’m not sure boycotting or canceling the race would have taught Vlad a lesson. He’s obviously disinterested in taking hints. But nevertheless, it would have been nice for Bernie, Todt and F1 as a whole to show some common sense and try and limit their exposure.

    It’s a shame that Bernie got his circus back. I expected future F1 leadership to not be so tone deaf, nor lose their sense of hearing when a stack of bills is placed before them.

  40. I was annoyed at how much TV time was spent focussing on the politicians during the race. But I was outraged that they were in the drivers’ room before the podium ceremony. I have not seen that before, and it should not become the norm. Quite apart from the fact that it interfered with the drivers’ opportunity to recover from the race and prepare for the ceremony, it put the drivers in an impossible position. It is one thing to shake the hand of someone presenting you with a trophy on the podium, but quite another to have to do so because Bernie E is introducing you in what should be your refuge.

  41. I must admit I can’t recall ever seeing a race cut away from the live action to a shot of someone unrelated to the sport walking in the paddock or/and sitting in a hospitality box. But wasn’t FOM broadcasting this one? So did they have a mandate that they had to include Putin in the coverage?

    I find it sad that F1 is often used by the public as an example of a sport that should boycott an area because of current political events. Let’s not forget where we are all heading for the World Cup in four-years time, or the Confederations Cup in three years. I heard little if any calls for Russia to be stripped of the tournament because of what’s recently happened, but F1? No that must not go there…

  42. Hi Joe. Bit off topic but can you clear up these (I hope) rubbish rumours that Alonso is poised to grab a Mercedes seat in 2016?

      1. Joe – you have said on here before that Vettel to Ferrari is a done deal. Many reputable sources are reporting that Ferrari have agreed to terminate Alonso’s contract. So, why are Ferrari not announcing Vettel?

            1. Maybe part of the deal with Fernando was that they wouldn’t announce a replacement until he’s announced his move. Time will tell.

  43. Not sure if you have seen the Sky footage yet but it seemed to me that Paddy Lowe was bowing his head in reverence when shaking hands with Putin & his cohorts – not good , not good at all.

      1. I refused to watch this meeting and did not report on my motorsport blog. Instead I watched the F3 at Imola. I am sure that if the majority of passenegers on MH17 had been British or American that there would have been no 2014 Russian Grand Prix.

  44. Spot on, Joe.
    Although I believe, Putin overcooked it quite a bit, and made himself look somewhat silly. Arrival in the middle of the GP? Well, he’s a busy man…Ok. But waiting in the anteroom, then presenting the trophies – just like some two bit pop star…

    1. “Although I believe, Putin overcooked it quite a bit, and made himself look somewhat silly. Arrival in the middle of the GP? Well, he’s a busy man…Ok. But waiting in the anteroom, then presenting the trophies – just like some two bit pop star…”

      Totally agree, although I dont believe he really did it for the outside world. I think the race is undoubtedly a vanity project and his performance was aimed at his domestic audience.

  45. Did Putin’s self insertion to the F1 race in Sochi improve or diminish his credibility? He is not the first…nor will he be the last to display such narcissistic behavior. May the good people of Russia one day have a leader that is a little less self-serving and tad more focused on the needs of his nation.

  46. Joe,

    In the driver room after the race, it seemed to me Lewis took quite a long time before acknowledging Putin. Maybe it was just my own bias creeping in (I’m not too fond of Putin). Has there been a case when driver was not polite (e.g. did not shake hands) with a controversial leader such as Putin? Would a driver be punished by FOM, or the FIA if he did not recognize a politician from the host country?

    Thanks,

    Barry

  47. LOL, wow. Let’s now talk about religion. Slovenia, Slovakia, um, I’m not sure they are both that important, at least not until they have their own GP like Abracadaber (Azerbaijan?). I have to admit that I have not memorized all of the places in the world, so call me incomplete. I’m an American and our foreign policy is always up for debate, but would you all like to still be speaking German or Japanese? We are often at fault, but the world still needs a policeman and no one else is able or willing to do it. Do we hear any volunteers from Slovenia or Slovakia. If so, God please help us.

    BTW, Putin is a thug. Just ask the relatives of the Dutch airliner that his minions willingly shot down (enough said).

    Keep up the good work Joe.

    1. Wow! You sure ARE American! You don’t even bother to question the stories you’re being told by Fox News, right? Because if you would, by now have you’d have found out that there is overwhelming proof that MH17 was taken down in an air-to-air confrontation. And we’re NOT talking of a Russian plane here. I’m amazed that seems to be news to most of you, eager to take an Anti-Russian stance, don’t seem to ever haave heard of this! So why he eagerness to declare who’s a thug and who’s a saint? Oh, wait, maybe because we should forget to cite all the countries the US has invaded and ruined in the past decades…? Leaving the Ucraine conflict aside, can you name any souverign country the Russians have invaded? Or governments they have toppled? Exactly. The US on the other hand…

      1. Last I heard MAB, the Dutch investigators said it was a SAM missile that took out MH17. These are ground launched, the clue is in the initials Surface To Air. It doesn’t take a brain like Einstein’s to work out that the missile was launched by Russian aided ground forces, and most probably by Russian technicians as these are not simple items to use. Some folk here are clearly so biased in the direction of dictators, that they cannot see the truth in a given situation, which saddens me as they are not the ones suffering, it’s the innocent, ordinary men ,women and children who suffer, not the clueless prats who just read a lot of propaganda and regard it as truth, which it is not.

  48. I’m waiting with a comment to see what you will write after the next Grand Prix, taking place in a land of western culture and that has a long history of invading – and more recently bombing – souvereign countries, as well as toppling foreign governments, or bullying their “friends” into wars – or more recently sanctions detrimental to those allies’ own economies.

    I’m talking about the home state of a man trialed and convicted (albeit in Malaysia) for war crimes, but strangely enogh never even put to trial in the Hague. And yes, I’m referring to one of those states in that country that still executes its prisoners.

    Will I read remarks about all of this (or at least a small part) offending your integrity and how the leading people in F1 think about these issues, too…?

    Let’s wait and see, shall we?

    1. I guess that if Obama turns up in the post-race cool room and on the podium it will be worthy of comment. But I don’t see that happening. Do you?

      1. I’m surprised how little attention you gave to the fact that neither the Olympic Winter Games, nor the Russian Grand Prix were planned and executed in a matter of a few months. Both took many years to budget, plan and finally execute.

        Now why would a man like Putin spend zillions just to appear on TV? All of this was originally part of a marketing plan with the intention to open the hearts of western civilization to the particularites of the Russian soul.

        Yet, in the meantime, NATO and EU affiliated countries started to bribe their way into the immediate neighbourhood of Russia, interfering with commercial stratgies and tactical issues. So Putin was left with options of going for a full confrontation with the west, or – and that’s what he chose to do instead – have the neighbourhood sorted in an unofficial mission.

        Now you tell me: Who is actually invading who’s territory, even if we’re talking of proximity…?

        Putin simply isn’t Mr. Nice Guy like Gorbachev, nor is he a useless drunk like Yeltsin. He’s shown over and over he’s a man of principles (some of which we admittedly might not like) and he deals with matters as he considers best. For his own country. And my guess is, that most of us would be very happy if we had a government minding OUR OWN interests in the first place, not those of other countries.

        I’m not a Putin fan, as much as I have little admiration for politicians in general. But we have seen far worse. Now F1 is travelling to the country guilty of bombing Iraq for no reason and killing 800,00 people in the process. Now the US is bombing parts of Syria and Iraq – under false pretense yet again. I miss the outrage on these issues. But that’s alright for you, as long as the head of state doesn’t show up? Are you serious???

        1. The planning is irrelevant. As I said. Everything changed with Crimea. F1 should not have gone (in my opinion). It was not the right moment. As I also said I don’t think there is anything wrong with having a Russian GP. What is important is that races are not politicised. Putin appearing in the cool room was a political act. The FIA has rules about these things and under a different president we might have seen action on this matter.

          1. You are right that everything has started with Crimea. You are wrong with you assumption of who must be seen as the intruder in that region. Yet you haven’t answered my question: Everything the US – and Texas as well – stand for by now is OK for you, as long as neither Rick Perry, a member of the Bush family or Obama show up in the cool room or hand out the trophies on the podium…?

            1. If we judged every country where there is a Grand Prix on its record of human rights there would be no world championship. This is the point. The problem I have, which I explained very clearly from the start, was that Putin inserted himself (or was allowed to be inserted) into places he ought not to have been. The podium was fine. That is normal for politicians to hand out prizes but this was more than that. It was propaganda. When the Turks did it a few year ago the FIA fined them a huge sum. Nowadays the FIA does not have the balls to do anything along those lines. And so the sport will be exploited by others until someone draws the line.

        2. And now they’re invading Liberia building hospitals to contain Ebola, or so they would have us think. Good thing you’re on the case!!

          Obama won’t be at the USGP he’s more of a NASCAR kind of guy, actually car races are small potatoes to him, he has no difficulty getting Media exposure.

      2. I think this is critical. If Mr Obama turns up, that’s one thing. If he and Mr Biden give out all four trophies, and meet the drivers in the cool room (which, I note, is unprecedented in all the years of cool-room coverage – right?) and there’s obvious political gain to be had, then it’s another.

        The objection is not to the grubby little tyrant Mr Putin attending the race per se; it’s to how Mr Putin was able to use the event to promote himself.

    2. MAB, perhaps you could do us all a favour and go to Syria with some Aid Convoy? I’m sure you could find some IS folk to make friends with. Not sure you would keep your head on your shoulders though. There are rights and wrongs with leaders and with countries, but you my friend, seem intent on backing the wrong side in matters.

  49. Wow – lots of comments.
    Watching on TV :- Putin’s arrival and sitting with the VIP’s should never have been constantly on screen – That is Bernie’s remit, not Vladimir’s

    He should never have been introduced to the drivers in the prep room. That was the take over.
    The trophy presentation is okay. He is the Head of State and I’m fairly sure Elizabeth II has handed out a few trophies in her time.
    However the straw that broke the camels back was that Popov bloke on the Podium. Looked like a Sasha Baron Cohen stunt and Lewis just didn’t know how to answer (Does he live near Sochi?) Why could they not have brought out a retired driver or team owner (we’ll ignore enthusiastic Sherlock Holmes actors)

  50. Three months ago you wrote an article about the Russian GP in the wake of MH17. I wrote at the time that we, the Dutch, hoped that by the time of the GP all victims would have been identified and would have had proper funerals. As it stands, the identification process isn’t complete. By coincidence, the authorities gave an update last Friday: 272 out of 298 have been identified. Or, 26 people have yet to be identified.

    My immediate thought at the time was that there couldn’t be a Russian GP and that in any case I wouldn’t watch it. My second thought was that all sorts of trade went on (well, minus some boycotts. From the Russians, go figure), that the Judo World Championships went on in Russia, I won’t say anything went back to normal, but F1 would be the only one boycotting Russia. That would have been crazy.

    Bernie made a fair point when asked about a boycott. You shouldn’t mix sports with politics. A boycott wouldn’t change much. And I agree, you shouldn’t mix sports with politics.

    Why then, Bernie, did we turn the last 10 laps of the GP into the Putin Show? If we shouldn’t mix the 2, why were we shown the arrival of Putin (pretty damn late if you ask me) instead of the race? Why did we have to see that shot of the 3 amigo’s Jean, Bernie and Vlad? We never get to see Bernie watching a race, why now? And then that little scene in the drivers room.

    The Russian GP shouldn’t have been boycotted, as you shouldn’t mix sports and politics. Perhaps it should be removed from the calendar though, as they shouldn’t have mixed sports with politics. Disgusting.

    1. Well reports suggest the reason the Dutch are dragging their heels on the whole investigation is because none of the conclusions they are coming to are the one’s the west wants to hear!

      1. Scott – I’ve read your comments on this topic and you remind me of myself when I was young and just started out at Uni. I had a similar point of view on many topics and always believed I was right and held the moral high ground.

        I then, settled down with a lady, had a family and over time my outlook on life developed.

        Give it time….

      2. Dragging heels? A preliminary report was published by the Dutch Safety Board last month. All signs are pointing in the same direction. Some ill-informed reports if you ask me.

      3. Scott D.:Your desperation in pretending that the downing of MH 17 was anything else but a Russian responsibility is worthy of a medal dear comrade. Igor Strelkov sends you his best.

  51. The mixing of politics and sport is always an emotive issue, but it is interesting that the general public and national newspapers often argue that sports people must be ‘role models’ but don’t think that sport should be a wider role model as a concept.

    1. 4 September 2014 – Ari Vatanen has called for the Russian Grand Prix to be boycotted in response to the Ukraine crisis and MH17 tragedy, suggesting that current FIA President Jean Todt shares the same concerns over the race.

      Vatanen added that F1 would be “condoning” President Vladimir Putin’s activities if the race goes ahead.

      “Do we support the regime who is masterminding this bloodshed? Or do we say this is not correct?” Vatanen questioned. “It would send a message of acceptance if we went to Russia. It would say we condone, effectively, maybe not explicitly, but by our actions we condone what is going on because it is used in propaganda.

      “It is often said that Formula 1 should not mix politics and sport, but the Russian regime is already mixing politics and sport in a blatant way, so we have to respond. It is for Bernie and the owners to cancel the race.”

  52. I have always enjoyed to read your column Joe, for you speak your mind regardless.

    This time I felt a little like you have jumped on the bash Putin & Russia bandwagon because they are the nasty ones out there.

    Not sure whether this is because of your own personal principled feeling or because it was deemed to be what you should do. Either way, not having seen any of the race coverage, nor particularly caring about anything other than the racing, your words came across as a little odd to me.

    But we are all entitled to our own opinion.

    1. Given the fact there are well known economic sanctions against the country hosting the race (likely from the country you live in) Perhaps that’s where Joe may have gotten the impression that this race was contoversial?

      Frankly, what the hell is F1, a British business, doing over there with sanctions in place. The fact the British government didn’t pull the plug speaks volumes about the tolerance of the conspiratorial, evil West.

      Maybe it’s time for her majesty’s tax hounds to sift through the F1 promoters recent German trial documents, perhaps his fears of taxation were well founded after all. A little reward for conducting his business counter to the best interest of the country where his business is based.

      Sometimes you’ve got to care about things in addition to the racing.

  53. Wow, 1950’s flashback. Feels like watching B&W TV.

    The geopolitical situation has changed a bit since then, people.

  54. I thought the Russian Grand Prix was very photogenic. I for one would be interested in ring next year. OK it may have been a bit dull but it’s a totally different experience live.
    It amused me that Putin stood on the podium while the our ‘God Save The Queen’ anthem was blaring out :0)
    I also wondered if, ironically, it belittled his stature somewhat. I mean, would you find the President of the United States of America standing at the side of an F1 podium for no good reason? You’d kinda think he’d got more important things to do with his time …

  55. At least the final few Putin sponsored laps made an otherwise dull race vaguely entertaining.

    On a more serious note, Putin has a problem. He’s essentially rigged his elections and the electoral system (by doing that dodgy Medvedev switch). To all intents, he’s a dictator.

    Dictator’s typically either die in office or live in unpleasant excile. He’s on the friends crusade with F1, the Olympics and the World Cup and the domestic popularity with Ukraine. Putin’s building his pension pot.

  56. “Of course, one must remember that most Russian media, especially the television, is controlled by the state or by those close to Russia’s leadership”

    When was the last time Rupert Murdoch lost an election?

      1. I appreciate that you live in France, Joe, and also that you travel a lot, but back in 1992 the post-election Sun bore the headline “It Was The Sun Wot [sic] Won It”😜. The Murdoch media has much previous when it comes to switching political allegiance.

  57. Dear Joe,

    Whilst I agree with your comments I have to say that it was ever so . I went to the 1976 Olympic Games as the Team Doc for the sailing event . A number of nations including Russia did not send teams for political reasons . I was due to go again in 1980 to the Moscow Games . Maggie Thatcher persuaded the Royal Yachting Association not to go . So instead I went to support an Americas Cup series at Newport RI . I had expected to see the Olympic Games on US Television . But not a sound or picture . The USA Teams boycotted the event . They were not there so it was not taking place! Why did we not go . Because the Russians were in Afghanistan. Now hasn’t that got a hollow ring . I suppose kids started it all with ” It’s my ball so if I can’t bat I’m taking it home ” I just hope that your Russian journalist misses two jolly good races ! But don’t you stop going . Please!

    Regards. Dr Frank Newton Silverstone

    Sent from my iPad

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    1. I have a mate who was selected for the US track cycling team for the 1980 Olympics (having been first reserve for the Montreal games). As far as Freddy is concerned the Games took place alright and without him. He lays the blame for this state of affairs squarely at the feet of Jimmy Carter, not the Soviet Union, and also maintains that it turned him into a lifelong Republican.

  58. The Sochi GP has opened up a wider debate about Russian foreign policy which is a good thing as it keeps it in the public’s mind. So will we see the same effect on American foreign policy with the impending Austin GP?

      1. We don’t hear in the mainstream media of the daily drone attacks on Pakistan & Afghanistan with the consequent collateral damage and civilian casualties do we?

            1. And how are these pieces of information connected. If we judged every country where there is arcing we could always find some wrong. The key point is that the sport was used, or was caught up in the politics.

          1. Two countries F1 visits; Russia & America.
            Your blog seems to have opened a debate on global politics,
            which is a good thing!

          2. Joe, it relates to motor racing, because the next F1 event is going to occur in the very country that is conducting these illegal attacks on Pakistan & Afghanistan.
            You just can’t seem to get this into your thick head.
            No more sarcastic blow-offs of people who you disagree with please.
            You bought up this whole boycott F1 races in the first place Sir.

              1. I agree with Joe. Sorry Dennis but drones are doing a job that has to be done. Next you’ll be saying that the US is acting illegally against IS in Iraq & Syria.

                1. “A job that has to be done” ? Are you insane sir? How would USA have reacted had any other country performed summary assassination on american soil? No nation has a god-given right to just enter a sovereign country and kill their citizens in such a manner.

                    1. Yeah Joe, I know, but everyone seems to be stretching the limits, I’ve only commented on my view of their comments….as to the Russian race, well you’ve certainly got everyone stirred mate, this is a big comment section! It was obvious why the race was planned, money, why it would backfire on the FIA & F1…Putin is not everyone’s best buddy right now…..but why is everyone getting so wound up? Nothing has happened that we didn’t know would happen…it was always going to be a propaganda fest for Vlad, so why is everyone so surprised? Nothing that happened surprised me at all. Now it is all over, there isn’t much more to say really, he probably won’t be so interested in the race next year….I expect he will be busy invading another part of the old USSR by then…..

                  1. No manolimoriaty, some people have to sorted, doesn’t matter whether they are in one country or another, if they are dangerous to other humans, someone has to prevent them being deadly. It’s simple really.

  59. I’m so glad of this article. Interestingly, I’m convinced Simon Lazenby aired his views live on TV when he made a reply to Jenson Button saying: “Shot down. Just shot down.” and gesticulating upwards at something coming out of the sky in reply to a comment about not receiving a text yet from Ron Dennis. Everyone else looked uncomfortable, but Simon looked like he just nailed his point!!

    Just to sum up some points from this thread about UK and USA. I’m English and hate some of the stuff our governments do. When I feel strongly about them, I tell my MP, protest if necessary, and even try to get on TV/Radio, and if I feel like saying Tony Blair was a warmongering idiot, then I will, and to his face if I ever meet him again. This is in stark contrast to RU, where the cult of personality around Putin and the new “Anti-Maidan” law means that 80% of Russians believe the propaganda and would never criticise him, and the remaining 20% can do, and then face a five year imprisonment, which is potentially a death sentence depending on the jail you’re sent to. (These figures from Russian journalist and vice-mayoral candidate (Vera Kitchinova).

    This has led one Russian intellectual to state that Russian politics is dead, only Russian geo-politics lives on. A terrifying statement which effectively means there is no internal alternative to Putin, and that more of the same can be expected. Indeed, some say that Putin is now backed into a corner as far as Nova-Russia is concerned and cannot back out, as his power is intrinsically linked to external politics and that as the Propoganda machine has built up the Nova-Russian areas as needing to be freed from Western oppression, to back down would be one of the few things which would hurt his standing in Russia.

    The sad, and brain-busting problem I have, is that I actually sympathise with the Russian position. The vast majority of Russians and a lot of former soviet states believe in an ongoing ideological battle with the West which is being gradually lost as former soviet states move Westward in philosophy and administration. They could probably live with that if it were not for the expansion of Nato armament and systems right up to the Russian borders and indeed, further. The possibility of Ukraine joining Nato would be like Scotland joing a reformed USSR from our standpoint, as pretty much the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet is based there, and Crimea has a huge Russian population. Given that less than 10 people were killed according to official figures in the entire annexation, and that in the immediate aftermath there seemed to be some political ways forward I was actually massively impressed by this manouvering and could completely understand it.

    Sadly, the events since then have shown what can happen to civilians in this type of asymmetric warfare when the chain of command is ineffective and rules of engagement lack formality, but this is still only indirectly Putin’s fault. Possibly less so than the civilian deaths in Iraq/Afghanistan by Western leaders.

    Of greater concern is the Russian 2020 plan, it’s military/political doctrines are very clearly laid out for this target date, and the actions in Georgia and Ukraine show striking confirmation to this plan. My gravest concern is this statement:

    [we will move from] x. From war in a defined period of time to a state of permanent war as the natural condition in
    national life .

    Russia has basically said it will never again declare war. It will merely act. As and when it chooses and note that permanent war indicates a permanent enemy. In this case; the West.

    Also note that the first stage of this war has been completed, which was the self-admitted indoctrination of Russians to be pre-disposed to these types of actions through media, social media, propaganda, etc.

    The second stage was to lie: Special operations to deceive through political and military means through co-ordination by media, politicians, mis-leading statistics.

    These points are expressed out of the horses mouth by Russia’s General of the Army: Valery Gerasimov: Source: ! ” # $ % & ‘ ( ), 2013. (Damn. No Russian in comment box!)

    So for those who say Russia is not using propaganda, Russian military leaders themselves say they are……

    A final point is that the Latvian government believe that all of the former depth countries (buffer states to Russian centres guaranteeing depth in military defence) of the USSR: Latvia itself, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, Eastern Poland, AND Slovakia are already being targeted as part of this plan, with Russia using the very same tactics they accused the West of in Ukraine, which was: sponsoring and infiltrating NGOs and political parties for them to promote an underlying Russian agenda and putting firebrands into Russian speaking areas to cement discontent.

    The key going forward is this: For the EU, when does the duty to protect sovereignty of small nations overcome the devastating economic (at least!) impact of putting Nato forces into direct confrontation with any Russian or breakaway militias under Russian control. Asymmetric warfare is all well and good, but when it leads to symmetrical warfare, most independent analysts suggest that Nato will walk all over the Russian forces as they stand which would lead a leader committed to his geo-political aspirations with only one avenue of defence.

    So, to sum up:

    I completely sympathise with the Russian political situation in terms of NATO advancement to borders and a vast reduction of depth buffering, potentially allowing Nato a clear cut first strike nuclear opportunity. (Remember that Russians really do think we are an enemy and really do think we might fire first.)

    The cessation of trustworthy diplomacy and an aggressive propaganda war imbued with personality cult driven leadership in a state with the influence, size and military of Russia has the potential for Armageddon sized mishaps in the event that things do not go Putin’s way.

    “It’s OK to be afraid. As a species we’re bound to fuck something up real big, real soon”- Kim Barrass

    1. Hmmm, on balance, and given that the Russians have struggled for 100 years to even make a rudimentary car that works, I’m less worried about Vlad than I am about Mother Nature, who is currently dispensing Ebola around the Planet. Nature has far bigger capacity to destroy humankind than humans have, and has proven it over thousands of years.
      In this year of reflection on the Great War of 1914-1918, many people still do not know that the Spanish Flu of 1918, killed more humans than the War had done. Vlad may swagger about, but he cannot withstand Nature, anymore than any of us.

      1. I agree it [Ebola, or another global pandemic] is a greater concern in terms of human collateral, and this is going to sound completely heartless, but it is not a personal opinion, merely a likely statistical fact, that: Barring an immediate mass-extinction event [super-volcano, comet impact, etc.] the impact of nature whether it be through disease or the environment will almost certainly impact the severely impoverished and uneducated first, moving upward through a chain of classes on a worldwide basis. (See Sven-Erikk Mamelands work for more detail on the principal statistics involved here, taken from Norways Spanish Flu cases)

        Regardless of that, and whilst the events post-nuclear war are definitive, only in how unclear they are; one fact is known: The known targets for the two main nuclear powers during the cold war and immediately afterwards were not only military, but, in fact, quite extensively centres of population. If memory serves me correctly, the UK targets (for example) had 80 population centres targeted out of 120 targets, London being on top and given a high weighting (meaning multiple warhead targeting for redundancy and impact purposes).

        Given that, and the statistically impressive likely escalation rate of nuclear war post the first nuclear event (generally approximated to 1, i.e. completely likely) to include all nuclear participants and all nuclear weapons, we can typically infer that a single nuclear event that is understood to be malignant and military in nature, operated by a controlling state has a very high likelihood to decimate the entire governmental and major citizen infrastructures of all western and communist nations, and then some….

        I do ramble on about this subject, but I find that the lack of visibility of this kind of information to be seriously alarming for the long term. Even if we avoid all out nuclear war in the short term, then the long term prognosis is still being made worse, due to the removal of fear and instruction from youth as they grow to be the leaders of nuclear countries in the future. A return to a certain aspect of cold war mentality and the mass understanding of mutually assured destruction principals should probably be drilled into the brain of every child of every country, and I merely hope that the officer schools of the relevant nations are at least doing their job correctly.

        Sadly, the intelligence coming out of Russia suggest an administration that sees the nuclear deterrent as an available weapon in a permanent war, and I will finish by a quote from someone much cleverer and closer to the destructive capabilities of nuclear weapons to say how it would impact us:

        “I do not know with which weapons World War 3 will be fought, but I do know that World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.” – Albert Einstein

  60. Just as an aside: If you think the above comment is too over-dramatized or far-fetched, take a look at the ramblings of Putin appointed: Dimitry Kiselyov, who proudly announced on the day of the Crimean referendum: [Remember] that we are the only country in the world capable of turning the USA into radioactive dust!!!

    Can’t remember the last time Natasha Kaplinsky said anything like that!!! 🙂

    1. Time to bankrupt the little man in Reagan-esque fashion and go back to the comforts of the USSR, see how that flies with the Homies. The problem with our ‘species’ as you refer to Humanity is that we have no long term memory. Two world wars and a Nuclear arms race are irrelevant to the zoned out majority playing with their iPhones pissing around with facebook, selfies and not caring about what happened previous to their ‘me centric’ self obsessed lives over indulged lives.

      Perhaps if we collectively were aware enough to cherish and appreciate the freedom and opportunity provided to us by the ‘greatest generation’ rather than paying it lip service, we’d be a little more vigilant with it.

      That’s why I tuned out for the hype of Sochi F1. Watched the Olympics, it was a great event and positive atmosphere to build world relations upon and benefit economically. All good will and positive impressions were promptly flushed down the toilet by a self-aggrandizing little man, seen his ilk before.

      Economic trade brings prosperity and offers the opportunity to foster peace, get in this century comrade, and put a shirt on for Christ sake.

    1. The race was not the best we have had. This was because the tyre choice was too hard. Why that was is a question that F1 needs to address.

      1. Indycar was so awesome this season the racing was the best I’ve ever seen and it’s become my preferred category of racing, I can’t wait to see the aero kits come in next season as the DW12 has become quite a tough racer, it’s a shame F1 is nowhere in terms of coverage of a race compared to Indycar. The cars in F1 this year are mighty I love the regs and hope the engine freeze actually happens.. but it won’t. The race in Russia was pretty caca, Putin turning up was classic he kinda reminded me of a Giorgio Moroder concert (out of place) I was kind of hoping to see a full James bond scene of all the Generals and Military advisors possibly Kim Il Sung chucked in there for good measure.. This wasn’t a race. Indycar is a race.

          1. Still far more superior racing.

            Indycar is thriving and makes an attempt to understand what fans want.

            Plus the commentary is awesome. Down the straight-away into the pits for a set of sticker reds and sunoco fuel.

  61. Thanks for the insight. I personally think that people in F1 who are willing to shake hands and share a picture with Putin (all smiles!) are maybe making (or will be making) a lot of money, but have lost their dignity. Thank you very much for your last remark. I maybe have to go to Moscow next year on a media event, and was in much doubt if I should go. Now I think I should, and maybe write a blog about what I see and hear…:-)

  62. Thank you for the balanced view, as ever. Reading some of the above comments reminded me of a recent line from a respected, influential, and rather lucid show: “Stop repeatedly lying to people Cartman, before stupid people start to believe you”.

  63. I’m just waiting for the comments on this thread to be locked. I want to read about racing. Can you lock the comments, Joe?

  64. Well said Joe.

    I want to see a motor race, not a political game, and I was uncomfortable at the amount of coverage Putin got. It could have been ANY country and I’d have felt the same.

    I accept that politicians like to be seen at such events, and that’s fine, but stay in the background.

    I felt that the reason for the new rule about moving to the front of the grid for the national anthems was entirely political, did anyone else think that a bit odd?

  65. The FIA joined the IOC (International Olympic Committee) club in 2011. This partly ties hands (the FIA cannot slag off member nations in a press release) but gives the FIA a voice in internal debates. Thus the FIA is an international political organisation, clouded by politics of the United Nations and IOC.

    Formula One Management (or whatever it calls itself this week) organises F1 events. Its role is to put on races which generate money for the teams and a bit more for themselves. Just as the FIA delegates F1 management to FOM, FOM delegates race organisation to local bodies. FOM does not question whether a race is promoted for political purposes — if a race can’t pay the fee from an independent title sponsor plus gate fees, it is a political event. FOM is apolitical and does not care whether an event offends sponsors or participants in F1.

    Two things have to change.

    The FIA has to understand the meaning of joining the IOC club. Membership means that the FIA are not in control.

    The FIA has to understand FOM, teams, sponsors and the level of politics in which they operate.

  66. Hey Joe, I have a very important question to ask you – did you see any protesting banners or protesters in the audience?

    The complete lack of them makes you ask why?

    It’s obvious that Putin learned a lot from the olympics, no patrolling cossacks with their horsewhips… back then one managed to secretly record how the cossacks whipped members of the band Pussy Riot, it was pretty brutal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivT-I-yxtdY

    They said that the majority of the spectators were FSB-agents wearing civil clothes and there were also snipers on the roof.

    I don’t believe for one second Russia’s claims about terrorist attcks, for Putin it was important that the world was shown a pretty picture of no protesters, hence he threatened to even cut off the broadcasting (if there would be some disturbing protesters that the camera might pick up).

    Oskari Saari didn’t mention Putin’s name even once during the broadcasting (I didn’t watch the race but heard about it).

    MTV3 rated Putin’s propaganda as the biggest flop: The drivers believed that they would take part in a gathering honoring Bianchi before the race, but instead they were forced to stand in line when Russia’s anthem was played. The F1-race was a massive propaganda event for Putin and he didn’t want to spoil it with crying after some driver.

    Today there was an article where Ecclestone praised Putin and thought he would be the right man to rule in Europe and US also.

    So who knows… when Russia has the soccer games in 2018 Putin might well invade Britain for example. Then Brits could not cry about the world’s focus turning on Russia instead of on Britain.

    All and all Putin achieved exactly what he wanted. He fooled everyone to take part in his PR-event distracting everyone from what he is doing in reality.

    I wondered that BBC didn’t boycott the race, their crew was beaten up by the Russian police after they interviewed a dead soldier’s sister. But now they are also like nothing happened. Sad.

  67. Joe. I take my hat off and bow low to an intelligent, massively tolerant
    blogger who probably knows more on his subject ( F1) than any journalist
    alive today. How you keep your composure amid some of the madness
    expressed in this particular stream is beyond comprehension.

    Thankyou, from so many of us.

      1. Thank you Joe for this thread xx

        You are the only reporter who voiced your opinion and also gave us a chance to give our opinion, kudos for that!!!

        Furthermore you made this thread enjoyable to read when you immediately cut the trolls out, so few recognise the trolls and instead let them attack and distract others. Guardian alone had 40.000 trolls replying on articles where Russia was critisized, so thank you again for protecting us from their attempts to mold our opinions, that has to be said 🙂

        I hope that they won’t bring propaganda politics into other threads also, that they understand what your articles are about. It would be sad if they also stormed your articles which have nothing to do with politics.

        Thank you again, Joe. It was a pleasure to take part in the debate and also see you participating in it. Take care xx

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