It would be awfully damaging to their 2017 car if they didn’t, at this point, know which power unit they were building it around, so it’s surely just a branding issue as Joe suggests. I think they should badge it as Dacia!
I bet there will be a real answer to this soon. Btw, it’s funny how every motorsports related website (I only look at those for entertainment, Joe, not for reference) has it’s own version of who will be the new Mercedes driver. I see reports about Vettel, Ricciardo, Alonso, Vergne, the lot. Mostly guys we know (because we read Joe’s blog) will not be the one.
In the spirit of wild speculation and wishful thinking of many on the internet (that isn’t aimed at you, Joe btw):
It will be Sainz,
But only of they can fit a 2nd seat into the W08* and persuade Luis Moya out of retirement. 🙂
(*That’s the 8 wheeler W08 as definitively proven by multiple internet photos.)
Past that I have no idea. I expect that most of the drivers’, and most of the teams’ will have scrutinised various contracts very carefully this week.
In the case of Red Bull, McLaren or Ferrari: Why would Mercedes want to hand a huge amount of money to their deadly rivals, and why those rivals would give up one of their (Dutch, Aussie, Spanish or German) main assets willingly?
“Prediction is very difficult. Especially about the future.”
I can’t see Clarkson at Mercedes some how Joe.
He’d be a nightmare …
He’d be on the radio saying odd stuff…
(In Jeremy Clarkson I’ve got a burp brewing) …
“This CAR drives like…CATHERINE DENEUVE dipped in HOT CHOCOLATE MMMMMM ! ”
Which wouldn’t go down well with the engineers asking about how the tyres are doing? 😉
Whence Nasr and Wehrlein? Whither STR’s engines? Could it be Sainz or Kvyat to Mercedes in exchange for engines to STR? Niki or Toto said Kvyat was one of the only drivers that didn’t ring up–perhaps because they called him? All preposterous, but wild theorizing is fun. I’m having a lie down now…
Does “lowdown” now mean “a combination of petty score settling of grudges against various people, in particular Ron Dennis and Lewis Hamilton, and some snippets of information that Bernie wants in the public domain”?
EJ’s description of and F1 teams as a “commercial journey” had me channelling Malcolm Tucker (don’t google any quotes at work).
Has he mentioned he used to have an F1 team recently?
And his ex-technical director (though shabbily treated by the BBC) is almost as bad, in a different way.
Sorry, I’m full of vitriol this morning. It will pass…
My favourite was uncle Ronnie getting a pair of pristine McLaren pliers from the paddock garage and sneakily cutting Jordan’s microphone cord as he was spouting forth live for a bit of fun. Really disappointed with the coup at McLaren – Ron deserved a far more respectful exit. Lesson from Williams – always maintain a controlling interest, friends or no friends.
Having his hair units washed trimmed and ready to go for 2017.
Apparently it takes 14 staff to first beat them with rolling pins for a month. Then they are sent to Tunisia to baste in the winter Sun after which 24 staff members massage industrial strength fabric softener then soak them in Linseed oil for another month. After which the its sent to Senator Palin in Alastair to whizz on, for that final rinse set and blow shine. Then they are ready for 2017 season. Until then Eddie Jordan is in a hibernation state. The whole expense is met by Channel 4 F1 who are funded by a fund from The BBC TV Licence and therfore funded by us …whhhhatttt !! 😨
How many G.P’s do his thatch units have to do before before penalties are incurred? Oh wait, it’s the rest of us being penalized having to listen to the little leprechaun with the carefully dishevelled thatch.
It’s partly funded by advertising.
A huge chunk of money comes in from The TV Licence via the BBC.
It’s how Channel 4 started.
That’s why there was such a big media explosion regarding
British Bake Off (not a fan so didn’t care much about the prog).
Because Channel 4 paid a huge bundle for it. The Media and Culture minister was questioned over it in Parliament “Why partly government funded channel4 , who’s main aim is to bring obscure and interesting programming would want a food programme, and pay a ridiculous some to take it off a fully public Licence paying channel.”
As the money is in part from the same purse.
Having his hair units washed trimmed and ready to go for 2017.
Apparently it takes 14 staff to first beat them with rolling pins for a month. Then they are sent to Tunisia to baste in the winter Sun after which 24 staff members massage industrial strength fabric softener then soak them in Linseed oil for another month. After which the its sent to Senator Palin in Alaska to whizz on, for that final rinse set and blow shine. Then they are ready for 2017 season. Until then Eddie Jordan is in a hibernation state. The whole expense is met by Channel 4 F1 who are funded by a fund from The BBC TV Licence and therfore funded by us …whhhhatttt !! 😨
Silly season aside – I see two interesting things here that perhaps somebody could explain – why have Vandoorne and Stroll picked numbers 2 and 18?
The Vandoorne one is particularly intriguing as when the numbers were originally dished out, it was very noticeable that nobody wanted to be Number 2…!
And as for silly season, I think the point is that the list shows who has a contract and who doesn’t. Merc aren’t going to want to spend more than Rosberg’s wages on buying out a contract, so that rules out the likes of Alonso and Vettel. I think it’d be Wehrlein or Bottas realistically.
When their superlicences expire. It’s an odd one with Vandoore – he raced in Bahrain last year with #47 and as I understood it, a driver retained the same number until they no longer re-applied for the superlicence. Clearly this isn’t the case with Stoffel so have the FIA changed the rules?
It’s odd, but I understand he raced with McLaren reserve number and not with his career number. Similar story with Stevens who raced Abu Dhabi in 2014 with #46 for Caterham and the whole 2015 season for Manor with #28.
They (FIA) should change the numbers for reserve and test drivers, I think.
Craig, #47 and (I think) #48 were allocated to McLaren as their reserve numbers, since their original pair were given up to Max Verstappen (#33) and apparently to Ferrari as a reserve (Charles Leclerc tested a #32 Ferrari). Vandoorne raced for McLaren in 2016 as a reserve driver, so used a reserve number.
Remember, in 2014 when Andre Lotterer and Will Stevens raced a race each for Caterham, they did not get their own numbers but raced as #45 and #46, Caterham’s allocated reserve numbers which were also used by various other drivers testing for Caterham that year. For 2015 Will Stevens took up #28 as his own number, which in 2014 had been one of Ferrari’s original reserve numbers.
Tom, according to the 2017 (and previous back to 2014) FORMULA ONE SPORTING REGULATIONS, Article 9.2 (21.2 prior to 2016), paragraph 2:
“…race numbers will be permanently allocated to drivers by ballot, such numbers must then be used by that driver during every Formula One World Championship Event he takes part in throughout his career in Formula 1. A driver’s career in Formula 1 will be deemed to have ended if he does not participate in an Event for two entire consecutive Championship seasons.”
It’s not quite as explicit as it could be, but the point is that the number is free once the driver’s career has deemed to have ended, i.e. after the driver has not participated for two entire seasons. So #19 and #22 will be available for 2019, assuming neither driver has ‘participated’ again between then and now.
Only F1 race meetings are ‘Events’, however I don’t honestly know whether being present as the official reserve counts as participating, or whether driving in Free Practice would count as participating, or whether entering qualifying would be required.
So #4 (ex-Chilton) and #10 (ex-Kobayashi) are now free for 2017. Not sure about #99 (Sutil last raced in 2014 but was a reserve in 2015) or #25 (Vergne last raced in 2014 but was a test driver in 2015-16).
/ I don’t honestly know whether being present as the official reserve counts as participating/
I’d say that being nominated as driver for the Event (one of four available drivers per season and not additional driver allowed for FP1 or FP2), counts as “participating”. Alex Rossi “participated” in Belgian and Russian GPs of 2014, I think.
I looked at the list, assumed all those named would be driving for that team, noticed Wehrlein’s name missing from the Manor entry and jumped to a conclusion from that – though I’m probably barking up the wrong tree as usual!
Everyone is getting so excited about this Mercedes vacancy that all rational thought seems to have gone out of the window. People are putting two and two together and making 22! I suspect the end result will be a lot less exciting than most are hoping for…
Why are Toro Rosso’s engine still listed as ‘to be confirmed?’ I know they’re definitely using the Renault next year. Is it a similar reason to why Red Bull’s engines are branded TAG Heuer? – My understanding of that reason is partly because of sponsorship, and partly so Red Bull wouldn’t be able to keep saying Renault engines were holding them back, like in 2015.
Think I might take a break from reading the comments for until Mercedes announce the driver. I didn’t realise there are this many conspiracy nuts and dreamers reading this. Joe’s got the nub of it (not that he needs me telling him) the only movable player is Bottas and that will take cash, otherwise it is a junior driver making a big jump. Chances are the cash will become available for Bottas and it will sort itself out.
No. Wolff has been quoted as saying they have suspended advanced talks with Sauber over Wehrlein. In which case, had Rosberg not upped sticks, I think they would have announced Wehrlein as a Sauber driver a week ago. That’s why his name doesn’t appear.
Not directly related to this blog post subject (sorry Joe) but I was looking for something else this morning and stumbled across the British GP Programme from 2001. Notwithstanding a journalist chappie called Mr Tremayne had some articles in there, a young Jenson Button was in his second year and had just joined Fisi at Benetton and two new drivers had just arrived at lower teams – Kimi at Sauber and a 19-year old Fernando Alonso at Minardi. (And Max’s Dad was at Arrows…)
It got me thinking about what goes around comes around. We are seeing that now. The youngsters are moving up. With two retirements, we are seeing perhaps one thing which does not change that much in F1 (save for Max’s obvious stellar trajectory). The more things change, the more they stay the same.