A new podcast…

I am now working with a new podcaster (missedapexf1) and if you are interested you can listen to my thoughts about the Monaco GP, life inside F1 and what’s required to be an F1 journalist. The podcast is here and there is even video to be found here.

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104 thoughts on “A new podcast…

  1. Great news Joe. I was worried that that daft man who can’t appreciate a pretty girl’s bum might have put an end to your excellent podcasts. I always look forward to them, and so good to know that is not the case. FYI, in appreciation for the podcasts and in order to check out the famous bum, I subscribed to GP+!

    1. Goes to show that all publicity is good Publicity!

      It’s sad that the relationship with Sidepodcast was seemingly not fixable after your ‘debate’ but it was perhaps a format that needed freshening up anyway.

      I hope that they are able to find a new expert to work with them too, as the light hearted approach is nice alongside a lot of stiffer F1 content out there

  2. Thanks for the link, Joe.
    Any chance that we’ll hear you on ABC’s “Box of Neutrals” again in the not too distant future?

    Cheers
    JF

  3. Fantastic. I think I prefer this style – the interviewer seems much more knowledgeable, calmer and professional than Sidepodcast team (esp Mr C who was often very ill informed – his last tirade was both inappropriate, ill informed and went on far too long… massive frites on his shoulder in my view)

    Looking forward to more of these Joe.

    1. That seems a bit harsh – its a free podcast! Few podcasts start off being amazing. I’m sure he’s learning all the time.

        1. Yet we don’t have to deliberately try to offend by being rude.

          “Quality of words” indeed….

          1. I did not deliberately try to offend. If offence is caused by me being honest, than so be it, but causing offence was not the point of my comment.

            Have a read of what I’ve responded to him below, which was published before your self righteous drivel.

            Looks like we’ve found a replacement for sidepodcast.

                  1. Any of my past comments, if not of an acceptable standard would not have been published, correct?

      1. It just sounds like you’re in a rush, thats all.

        I hope it works out for you mate. Good luck, and congrats on backing yourself.

        1. I must listen again, but this isn’t​to add to any argument, rather instead:

          Breathing!

          Often hurried breathing or nervousness (we are good at conning ourselves that we’re not as nervous as our bodies are because of how modem risks are not too often as scary as past risks) results in not only snatched aspirations but unnaturally mixed up pitch and tone of voice.

          Hundred miligram Valium is perfect…

          I really didn’t literally mean that, but I hope you don’t feel like there’s a actual need to assuage nerves concerned by criticism.

          It’s a art as such and I am shitty on direction to handily point to, save that headset boom microphones keep your jawline and layrinx open unstressed readily. People do take relaxants before any speech work. I found just preparing for a day on the phones to take a run or swim was crushing my easy speaking range, but twenty minutes of the steam room deeply relaxed my vocal chords and opened the”width” of my voice so high note speech lacked shrillness and bass emphasis would not grate but sound open without a punch or gravel or worse a hacked phlegmy gurgling. Sure thing is the worst excesses were filtered by the setup but the ease of control over emphasis was considerable. Most importantly relaxed vocal chords permit vowel pacing and word elongation precisely enough to not sound dumb, and that buys time to apply thought elsewhere or for read ahead.

          A lot of hassle for your telesales work hmm? Depends on how difficult it is to reach the end respondent and how valuable their time as a function of the deal. One of my earliest realisations was how other salespeople could have cost the customer more in salary for the director they pitched even than those first rate cards I printed. I was talking day long while maybe a few minutes counted only. Forty seconds to indicative close, or at that time I would be first steering towards a close or conclusion because I found the timing about as much as a cold prospective customer would be naturally attentive to a normally modulated voice before distractions or disclosures became priority. I think the similar attention span is the upper limit of interjections in a way you might find applicable and adaptable to your needs. The steam room may seem a bit much for a podcast but it sets my voice for the day. Not too hot. And I presume you are well prepared to debate your interests, so that ever so little more languid delivery is all in good David Frost like spirit I hope!

        2. Sorry for this duplicate Joe but my phone let through a unwanted profanity in the first submitted comment that is just unnecessary.

          Accident of profanity deleted in this comment no other changes.

          I must listen again, but this isn’t​to add to any argument, rather instead:

          Breathing!

          Often hurried breathing or nervousness (we are good at conning ourselves that we’re not as nervous as our bodies are because of how modem risks are not too often as scary as past risks) results in not only snatched aspirations but unnaturally mixed up pitch and tone of voice.

          Hundred miligram Valium is perfect…

          I really didn’t literally mean that, but I hope you don’t feel like there’s a actual need to assuage nerves concerned by criticism.

          It’s a art as such and I am short on direction to handily point to, save that headset boom microphones keep your jawline and layrinx open unstressed readily. People do take relaxants before any speech work. I found just preparing for a day on the phones to take a run or swim was crushing my easy speaking range, but twenty minutes of the steam room deeply relaxed my vocal chords and opened the”width” of my voice so high note speech lacked shrillness and bass emphasis would not grate but sound open without a punch or gravel or worse a hacked phlegmy gurgling. Sure thing is the worst excesses were filtered by the setup but the ease of control over emphasis was considerable. Most importantly relaxed vocal chords permit vowel pacing and word elongation precisely enough to not sound dumb, and that buys time to apply thought elsewhere or for read ahead.

          A lot of hassle for your telesales work hmm? Depends on how difficult it is to reach the end respondent and how valuable their time as a function of the deal. One of my earliest realisations was how other salespeople could have cost the customer more in salary for the director they pitched even than those first rate cards I printed. I was talking day long while maybe a few minutes counted only. Forty seconds to indicative close, or at that time I would be first steering towards a close or conclusion because I found the timing about as much as a cold prospective customer would be naturally attentive to a normally modulated voice before distractions or disclosures became priority. I think the similar attention span is the upper limit of interjections in a way you might find applicable and adaptable to your needs. The steam room may seem a bit much for a podcast but it sets my voice for the day. Not too hot. And I presume you are well prepared to debate your interests, so that ever so little more languid delivery is all in good David Frost like spirit I hope!

      2. I thought the presenter was really on form, just the right balance of humour and giving Joe space to talk. Great show, I’m looking forward to more of these.

  4. Joe, after the way you were treated on Sidepodcast over the grid girl photo I cant say I’m surprised, I’m just pleased you’re still doing the podcasts; I always enjoy hearing your thoughts and analysis. Diaries have always prevented me from getting to ‘An Audience with’ (so far!) but I intent to put that right asap. Do you plan one Pre-Silverstone?. Keep up the great work!

      1. I did wonder if the bum debate would sour your relations. Your episodes with them were the only ones I listened to as I tired of the presenters quickly. Hopefully missed apex will fare better with everyone.
        Keep up the great work.

  5. I’ve been following these guys (Missed Apex) for a while now and I’m enjoying their show, but I have to ask – what happened to the ‘old’ podcasters you were working with – or are you working with two of the now?
    Thanks

    1. They did wish to continue because of differing opinions on a photograph of a bum and a hat.

  6. Great news, I look forward to having a listen.

    Your appearances on the other podcast were always very enjoyable.

    ‘Bum-gate’ was rather strange though, totally out of left field.

    1. I must admit I was slight worried by the only two women in GP+ being a nice bum and an actress but I felt in the following GP+’s this had been addressed, the problem for me was not the bum(with I enjoyed) but the lack of Women which are not included just for there looks. It seems strange to keep making a fuss when the concern has been sorted

    2. Contrary to other commentators here perhaps, I rather admire Mr C for having an opninion and not backing down from it.

      I wouldn’t disagree though, that the point was belaboured, which resulted in it feeling like an uncomfortable way to treat his guest.

      1. I do not believe for a second that anybody with a bit of brain had a problem with Mr C’s _opinion_ itself. Opinions are opinions, you can even have opinions on opinions. You can agree or disagree, for instance, you can even be vocal about it.

        E.g. I disagree with some of Joe’s views and opinions, too, but that doesn’t stop me reading what he has to write here, for example, because I find his insights valuable due to his experience even when I’m bothered by some stuff.

        What doesn’t cut it though is when you invite someone to a show as a guest to give that valuable insight you don’t get elsewhere and call the person out for differing opinions “live on air”, especially in the fashion of “You know that I am right, sir, everybody with a bit of sense agrees with me, sir, it is my social responsibility to boycott your activity, sir, [still spent half an hour talking about stuff beforehand] and you should be ashamed of you, sir, because you are doing damage to our society.”

        It could have been a great discussion if it was agreed beforehand, but it doesn’t work on the fly saying “Thanks for being a guest and by the way, you should know that you are a dinosaur therefore I’m not interested in the rest of the stuff you said right here.”

        1. I agree here with Gabor and Swiss matt. I do think objectification of women in F1 is problematic and representative of an older generation of thinking. But…

          Mr C was not only wielding two juicy ham fists in his attempts to make the point, he was unspeakably rude to Joe about it. To the point that I never finished the podcast and unsubscribed before I even knew Joe was out. Joe was a guest there, and though it was mutually beneficial for both parties it’s fair to say Sidepodcast derived more legitimacy from Joe being affiliated than vice versa.

          One does not, simply put, behave so poorly in front of a guest. No matter how strong your disagreement.

          1. Thank you for the words that so perfectly express t my feelings on that podcast, it showed Mr C’s true colours, no doubt with Christine urging him on.

            I accidentally tripped over their twitter feed and they are way off letting go unlike Joe who has accepted it and moved on, life is too short to waste worrying about things that didn’t work out.

  7. Obviously I missed something as to why the podcast had to move but I am really pleased to see it back and with video!

    I look forward to listening and seeing it later today….

  8. I thought you were incredibly patient during the “bum” section of your interview with sidepodcast..
    Mr C’s time would be better spent sorting out the audio rather than arguing about one picture of a lady’s bottom.
    Lady’s and their bottoms have been around F1 since its inception, what a silly boy he ..
    Your time is very limited as it is, your schedule is grueling enough..
    Thank you Joe for taking the time to share your thoughts with us .

    1. Personally I like the longer podcasts – like the Motorsport Magazine ones, I can while away an 8 hour flight to a handful of informative podcasts!

    2. I really like this one, same too for the American chap that does them. The ones I can’t stand are a certain lot from Norwich that always seem to be in a rush to change the subject.

  9. Great news. Your podcast commentary is always great, I was worried we were going to loose it. Thank you for your continued insite.

  10. After the last podcast, it’s not surprising. Don’t understand people who are always wanting to find/take offence at everything on someone else’s behalf. Sidepodcast’s loss.

  11. Sad the Audience with Joe on Sidepodcast had to end, because there were some good debates. But people’s opinions always differ. We’re all human and we’re all different, because we’re individuals. I couldn’t agree with Mr. C at all on the ‘bum’ debate. Anyway, I have subscribed to your new podcaster. I will look forward to what content they have as well as your own future contributions to the series.
    Cheers,
    John

  12. I have to say I genuinely thought “bum-gate” was an april fools thing when it started (I figured the podcast had been recorded april 1st and released the 4th)

  13. Great to see the podcasts are continuing and even better with a new presenter. I was worried Mr SJW from the last one may killed your enthusiasm to do more.

    Thanks Joe.

  14. Glad to see another Podcast, quite enjoyed it. A bit of familiarization process with time and the show will benefit from it.

    As to the whole bum thing… it was time for a change. The vibe last time was a bit too militant/irrational for my taste.

  15. I was so excited to hear that you were with Missed Apex. The only reason I listened to the other one was to hear your insights. And I’ve loved having you as the F1 correspondent for AutoWeek here in the states. And then GP+. I feel like a Joe Sayward groupie! Great to hear you again.

  16. Joe, what is the name of the astronaut who gives motivational speeches? I have a 10 year old who wants to be an astronaut and would like to see if I can find some of these speeches online. Thanks!

    1. For inspirational astronauts check out anything that Chris Hadfield has done or is doing. He has a book which i hear is fantastic, An Astronauts Guide to Life on Earth.

      1. Or Piers Sellers (RIP). Amazing guy. No motivational speeches but some good web archive material.

  17. Never thought I’d see the day when you jumped on the stage with someone who was part of ‘The Judge 13’ team.

    Interesting dialogue at the start of merits of staying at home race coverage v. being trackside…..Spanners has a podcast coming up with Trumpets, covering FormulaE – Trumpets is a stay-at-home……?? Curiouser and curiouser.

      1. Peter, your name looks familiar and you would know that ‘TheJudge’ site has been slowly sinking for around two years.

        All the decent writers left after professional disputes and what is posted these days is fabricated conjecture​, pure drivel and anyone with taste recognises that!!

        We all make mistakes, the courage is in moving forwards

  18. Spanners Ready and the Missed Apex podcast crew are dedicated and well informed F1 fans. They weave a bit of light fun into their show but they also have serious technical guest Including Matt Somerfield from Motorsport.com. Personally, I’m very happy that Joe is joining them and I’m sure it will get better and better.

  19. Made my day by just hearing a matter of fact statement of Max Verstappen’s ability, which is somehow not self evident in the minds of the commentariat.

    I’m​ only listening on my phone speaker, but the one thing that I can suggest is a “de-esser” filter. And clearly the two voices need different equalisation, Spanners Ready all close mic, or lavaliere with a bit too little stage (overhead) returned to the channel, and Joe is getting some definition lost in the room reverb. Sonnox, the British designers of Sony’s one digital mixing desk, the legendary Sony Oxford desk, are very affordable and the canine anatomy.

    Well paced, the personal atmosphere is always paramount and you seem to have that impeccably settled. I’m delighted to have the podcast, thank you both!

    1. I have a Yeti Microphone here that I may offer to send to Joe. I think that will sort that balance out nicely. Completely agree on that count. In this episode I raised the noise gate and added slightly more compression than normal to compensate for the issues you note. . Sir you have a fine ear

        1. Hi kitchen cynic and hi again Spanners,

          I was originally going to post that Skype business edition I believe licenses Dolby Voice.

          I’m uncertain and the documents are unclear unfortunately.

          I will day this, the codecs the basic Skype uses are very good. Microsoft purchased many professional audio technology companies for talent and parents. I forgot the company name but they created backwards compatible 20bit CD audio format that Microsoft bought and rolled up into Windows Media technologies. They briefly sold through the grapevine only the most sought after analogue to digital converter of all time. There’s super tech and above all super people in Microsoft who are easily lost in the sheer size of the company. Unlike silicon valley and maybe even Amazon, the pitch is long term employment and the continued product use, albeit vocal complaints have been levelled about products discontinued but I find you can almost always find the tech and people live on quite happily.

          I can recommend the professional models for telephone headsets from Sennheiser. When I got mine and called a lifetime friend over Skype he was immediately impressed. Which impressed me because my friend has far greater studio experience than I and a amazing voice. I am not qualified by comparison to my friend. I have the DW1Pro. It’s not super cheap but may be quite a more versatile device than a semi pro recording microphone which is likely a host of compromises. I would take the product optimised for speech over the sung voice in the context I gather here. My other thought to just say get a SM58 or any Sony lavalier condenser come with the entire transmission problems and the chain becomes complicated. Only on a no limit budget can I begin to pick absolutely clear for all to hear winners, and they are all ribbon microphones in my book. You then spend time to engineer out what is going to be done automatically by the headset for the job with benefit of far more optimization and integration testing. Think of the vocals microphone as your pull rod suspension if you can see the analogy?!?

          I’m curious about your dialogue setup now. You’ve got a classic intractable scenario in which the trade-off between you and Joe is a hard compromise regardless the resources at your disposal. Without debating longer (most happy to oblige off-blog if you think I’ve stashed any useful nuggets of value, but see footnote*) I can best serve your aim by exhortation of the use of the most deadened rooms available for the occasion. Even hanging blankets on the wall and drawing curtains will work to equalise the atmosphere of each end, at least for removing sharp response spikes that you have a job to eq out. In fact particularly look at a Fourier transform or watch the graphic equaliser to try to spot nasty spikes that reverberate around 10KHz where the reverb will be a persistent interference with Joe’s voice especially.

          *I’m notoriously amongst the informed anyway struggling to regain vast swathes of my life memory and I think I might not have been able to make sense about this or heck I lost my memory of working with sound altogether in any concrete way until recently. All I knew was that the pop chart singles by Adele were bugging me for sounding like a (Briscati I hazard) reverb got left on a Nigel Tuffnel preset. I’m frequently tripping out over how this memory thing works. Ironically my first prep school essay all four hundred words and unfinished trailing to no continuation was speculation about memory access… I’m positively strange officially I think but it is certainly intriguing…

          Secret lurking follower of yours, Spanners, for … well since I heard your name attached to F1 thought. I’m desperately parochial by default but not devotionally monoliturgical within the present church!

  20. Mr C is currently making a poor fist of trying to explain this to me on Twitter. Being rather contradictory. The phrase “sour grapes” springs to mind.

  21. Good on you, Joe. I have never heard such claptrap as spouted by Mr C.

    I have being going to races since I was in my Pram over 60 years ago. Have just completed a 21 day road trip taking in, Hockenheim, DTM & RallyX, Montmelo F1 GP, Portugal WRC, concentrated on the racing, and you know what, if there were grid or paddock girls, so what ?….as you say all part of the tradition and who are we to dictate how these aspiring models earn their keep and move on with their careers ?

    BTW, there is a French camper every year on the Montmelo campsite who could be ‘jenks’ double, I rib him every year.

    Is the new podcast on iTunes ?

    Thanks Joe…..

  22. Excellent podcast. Very informative. And I disagree about the verbosity of the presenter, Monsieur Sàouarde was given plenty of uninterrupted speaking time.

    I’m thinking of another one euro croissant bet about which of the RB drivers is going to use that performance clause…, maybe I should click on that picture and prepare my credit card after all.

    1. Neuropean, I want a ride in your one euro croissant time machine please!

      It’s surely a Teuropathic device…

  23. Found it on iTunes, thanks.

    What I could never understand about the sidepodcast duo was that they professed on the one hand to be knowledgable, but on the other hand admitted to hardly ever going to a Motorsport meeting of any kind. I have listened to you on there since you started with them.

    Prior to my 21 day trip above, I took in WEC Silverstone, Alonso Collection at Oviedo, Marc Marquez Collection at Cervera. Later in the year, ELMS at Portamaio & MotoGP at Valencia. Plus any odd club event I come across in between.

    All in a VW camper, hopefully I qualify as a down to earth fan…..

    1. I’m being prissy britches but I usually expect to be reading such disclaimers prepended with some BUMF about how this Full Disclosure sets the website authors apart as integralists of note… I’m certain that recently I have seen a cross major publisher syndicated slating of a unfortunate product and one of the sites continues to be in love with their fullest disclosure even since acquisition by Condé Nast….

  24. Thoroughly enjoyed the video. I had similar problems with my career councilors at school. When i told them I wanted to be a jazz musician they dismissed it as a foolish adolescent fantasy. Maybe it was, but I’ve been doing it for almost 40 years now. So the h**l with councilors.

    Speaking of adolescent fantasies , I decided to try my hand as a racing driver in my early 20s. I went to the Jim Russell School in Canada and made it through the course and even did a few races with them. Their career advice was a little more spot on: keep your day job!

    1. “Counselor” is the word I needed. I guess I don’t have much future as a proofreader either..

  25. I hope this keeps up. Way better then your previous host, good insight into the man who is my first go-to every day.

  26. Hi Joe,

    I was getting worried that I would never be able to hear from you again after the shabby treatment that you received. I have no problems with people having a different view, but to just get stuck in and not stop is completely unacceptable especially when the only reason that the bulk of listeners were coming to the podcast to listen to you (well at least the aside with Joe was the only reason I subscribed). Will take me a little while to get used to this podcast but hey it’s a different person asking the questions so let’s see what pops up.

    Cheers Scott

  27. Superb! Spanners is a great host and it’s always a good panel (especially “Mat Trrrrrrumpets!). It manages to be entertaining and genuinely informative without being an F1 nerd-fest. He’s also very good at production, keeping track of the show (so it’s not 20 minutes of idle, unrelated chat) and your input Joe is highly appreciated.

    They didn’t even pay me to say that.

  28. Already listening to Missed work. Your addition to their product is fantastic. They put a lot of work and research in and it shows. Only downloaded the Sidepodcast episodes with you in. Unsubscribed now 😀

  29. Really enjoyed it, of course it is different and the relationship between Joe & Spannersready needs to build but it had all the great insights and opinions from Joe without the presenter wanting to have the same profile.

    It was fun to be able to watch Joe, for some reason I alway imagined a nice bottle.of red wine was being consumed in the previous shows. No sign of it here so it must have been my imagination.

  30. Hi Joe

    I thought the podcast was great. Definitely worth doing more with those guys.

    Is it really in a shed?

  31. as a long term F1 fan [ got hooked when I saw my first ‘clip’ at the cinema in 1950 wearing my first pair of ‘longs’ ….so a memorable day on both accounts..especially as there was a british driver on the podium !

    unfortunately age and infirmity [ as well as finance ] now preclude my attendance at GP’s but your comments about the pleasures of the monaco weekend brought back memories of my last visit…I was fortunate enough to have a pitpass and took advantage of it to have a walk around the track before the race and had to get a lift from the course car to make sure I was out of the way in good time !

    suffice it to say that I am in full agreement with your comments about monaco !

  32. Really enjoyed the podcast and will looking forward to more of the same. Out of curiosity who started the initial approach to get Joe on this podcast in the first place?

  33. Firstly, regardless of the circumstances of the split, I appreciated the effort that Sidepodcast team put into there series. Without it, I would not have found Joe and later become a GP+ subscriber.

    Secondly, very glad that Joe has found a new home, as its my favourite podcast.

  34. Had a listen on the way up to London today to that last sidepodcast interview. It made the journey go pretty quickly. Massive storm in a teacup. You often see stuff on live TV/highlights/notebook style things at F1 races that conveys the same issue but why pick on GP+. Kind of felt a proper pre planned ambush with no real point. Worth having a debate but there seemed a weird underlying agenda of some kind. Anyway not worth dwelling on further. Hopefully there will be protests in Monaco about no pics of women etc lest they be intepretated as un pc. Perhaps that pod cast fellow can follow up on it all post race to berate photographers about taking photos of people who are at the race.

    1. Is it only me, or do the television cameras in recent years try to act as if neither attractive young women nor fine fancy cars are sat on the grid deserving every reasonable man’s attention? This current crop of drivers is also I think the best looking crowd of a long while. So apart from the oft showstopper height issues, there’s eye candy aplenty for all. I think it should be fairly apportioned the screen time.

  35. I heard the podcast over the weekend, and very good it was too. May there be many more to follow.

  36. Hi there once again Spanners, last thought I believe could be worth the pixels and Joe’s trouble with the moderation:

    Cheapest microphone acoustic cloche: duvet and bedspreads hung over a foldout three section clothes horse.

    I can’t think of anything else obvious to do right now and I am wary I already distracted you with too much scurrying hither and thither with insufficient guidance to be much better than a hit and miss proposition. Nonetheless these are the precautions and energies I’d undertake in the process of settling in, and I think what I’ve scribbled possible easily enough travelling or at home a d I’m sure a clothes horse can occasionally be procured by housekeeping in hotels or a open hard suitcase works very well also.

    I’m unimpressed with the non constructive criticism above I’m sorry I didn’t at all hear anything that offended my ear. I can only suggest that the range of audio technology and quality on playback devices is truly broad indeed. My Huawei P10 phone is the little one that can in so many respects I’ve lost considerable regard for almost the top ten tech review websites wholesale since owning the blessed thing. My reaction is founded upon more than I should relate here but all reasons to do with reviewer professionalism and the surprisingly homogeneous consistency of tone claim caveats and letters across so many sites simultaneously not disparaging with faint praise. I’m not meaning to undo any imbalance here with my comment but simply amazed in a world of easy product returns how any reviewer imagines any off target observation will hold. I remark because I want to use the word syndicated if not coordinated reviewing. My despair for the media which proclaims independence of print even if not ownership is the more complete recently. I hope you take my relating this as the vital signal to be unremitting in your independent venture and I am surely willing to be leaned upon if such support appears ever purpseful for your assistance.

    I must wrap only noting there was much I wanted to polish of my above comments but had compressed too ungainly the grammar for any save wasteful expansion.

    Looking forward to your next you two!

  37. Ouch! Thinking about talking let my writing plain slide.

    What are people listening on?

    I was wondering because nothing of the audio offends my ears and I’m fairly fussy.

    Equally important to consider the sheer range of audio playback devices is immense. I’m truly impressed with the phone I bought that I can’t level headed review just yet after it seemed the top ten review sites stole each others condemnation by faint praise…

    Cheapest microphone acoustic cloche:

    Duvet and bedspreads over a clothes horse or open hard suitcase.

    Should be good for traveling with the show and easy to scavenge for.

    Why have a cloche when I suggested a boom mic headset? Room reverb damping. It’s entirely easier to mix and match for sound I’ll leave to others to debate duck v goose down high fidelity qualities which I’m certain somebody would pay a shocking premium one over the other whichever way the wind blows…

    Stick to your course, Spanners, all seems like a great start to me! John

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