Why Stefan GP wants more grid slots

Today’s story – if there was one – is that Stefan GP is trying to convince everyone that there should be 14 teams in Formula 1. That is not going to happen. It cannot happen, even if Bernie Ecclestone would like to see it. First of all that would set an unhealthy precedent for the FIA at this late stage. It would also require all the teams to agree to let it happen (because the Concorde Agreement bans more teams on the grounds of safety) and one cannot imagine the weaklings being too keen to let in a team with what might be a half-decent (ex-Toyota) car – for the simple reason that this would deprive them of income.

More to the point, however, one needs to ask why Stefan has suddenly changed his tune. The only obvious explanation is that it is fast becoming clear in Belgrade or Cologne that the two stray teams that he had hoped would disappear are not going to dematerialise and will pop up either at the first race, or at some time very shortly after that. The details of how this will happen are not obvious yet, but from what I am hearing both Campos Meta 1 and US F1 will appear, perhaps with different faces (and therefore different money) behind them.

Both teams have entries and the makings of cars. Both teams have got at least one driver with some sponsorship, so this is clearly a very good time for those with cash to be buying into such vulnerable operations. The current owners of the shares are looking failure full in the face and will no doubt settle for less than might have been the case a few months ago. If they say no, they hit the wall and that will be painful.

My guess, therefore, is that we will see USF1 taking on a rather different form. There is already talk that some of the original partners have been “parked” and one can imagine that one of the many wealthy and well-connected folk in the United States will now sweep in and do what is necessary to get the team moving and, by doing so, increase the value of their investment considerably. We might even have a situation where the team could have a full set of Americans in charge and even perhaps an American driver. That would be nice.

There is a certain irony in the fact that the weak teams with new money behind them could (in theory at least) become the owners of all the Stefan GP kit, if that project flops. Toyota will probably not care that much…

Over in Spain there seems to be a rather similar situation, by all accounts. Adrian Campos appears to be on the verge of leaving his name behind him and his partner Jose Ramon Carabante is being tipped to have plans to take over the whole thing, if only to protect his investment. The entrepreneur was linked to a deal with Volkswagen, which was quickly denied by the Germans, but one cannot help but wonder if there might have been some small grain of truth in the idea. Let me explain: if you were Carabante, what would you do? You need money and Spanish companies are not handing it over. You want the team to be seen to be Spanish so the first thing you are going to do is to look for a Spanish driver. There is a lot of talk of 23-year-old rookie Adrian Valles having cash, which (oddly) has been linked to USF1. He is not experienced in F1, although he has tested some F1 cars and won the Superleague Formula last year, which means that he is not completely hopeless.

The other thing Carabante might try is to do is to come up with a deal with the other people in Spain who wanted to be in Formula 1 a few months ago. They have a monstrous great factory with nothing much happening in it: not to mention some decent ex-F1 people and a super new windtunnel. Step into the spotlight Epsilon Euskadi. There was a time when that team thought it had the money to do the job, but the money was dependent on the entry and the entry was dependent on the money and the eggs and the chickens got mixed up… If there is an entry and a car (from Dallara or Toyota), and the original backers are still out there somewhere, they might be a deal to be made.

What else would you do? Spain has one automobile manufacturer which is still in business and one really good automotive brand with a competition history which is defunct – at least in the car world. The first is SEAT, which is owned by Volkswagen (don’t jump to any conclusions just yet) and the other is Hispano Suiza, which no longer makes cars and is now (sadly) a company belonging to a French group called Safran, created by the 2004 merger between the nasally-unpleasant Snecma and Sagem firms (which were basically involved in aviation). Hispano Suiza now builds transmissions for jet engines. If you were the French and someone turned up on your doorstep asking to buy the brand name for use in the automotive world, you might at least listen. It is money for old rope, isn’t it? And you know that Bugatti did a similar deal a few years back. So, to go back to the previous logic, if Stefan GP has no entry but is keen to buy the Dallara chassis to get the Campos entry, it might be an idea for you to go to Toyota and ask if they are interested in selling the Stefan GP package to you for the creation of a Hispano Suiza F1 team. That would be poetic licence, would it not?

Anyway, that is enough “blue sky” theorizing.

Let us, however, take a look at SEAT. This is supposed to be a rather sporty company building cars for young Spaniards of the Fernando Alonso generation. The company was heavily involved in touring car racing but recently decided to get out. However, because it builds small cars, it is now doing all right in the recession as people can just about afford these and SEAT has big plans to accelerate out of the recession by expanding into the South American markets where it can use Volkswagen factories to build sporty little cars for the Brazilian market. Having Bruno Senna driving a SEAT in Formula 1 would thus make a lot of sense. But this probably as far as it goes because the company recently got new management in the form of Scotsman James Muir, previously the boss of Mazda Europe. The SEAT brand is developing a range of new models, with no less than four different vehicles planned for production, but Formula 1 seems far-fetched, even if it was just an engine badging and supply deal. Still SEAT does have a bunch of competition engineers doing not a whole lot at the moment.

The other point is that it is probably not the moment for SEAT to launch into F1 because Muir recently had a showdown with the unions (which he won) and will not want to rock the boat for a bit.

We will see. Bahrain is but a month away…

25 thoughts on “Why Stefan GP wants more grid slots

  1. Great article Joe.
    I always thought Epsilon Euskadi will be the 1st to get in F1. They have a fantastic facility, top teams in FR2.0 and FR3.5, they produced a bit shaky LMP car, but they still have an academy and also have some involvement in karting. With F1, it would be a proper motorsport operation, like no other, from karting to F1.
    Shame they weren’t allowed…

  2. Joe! Is Bernie slipping a cog or two as old age creeps in or does he still have that much power or just testing the waters?

  3. Joe,

    Great article and very well thought out on the theories. I do have two questions in regards to the new entries and Stefan however.

    1.) While we have been waiting for something to materialize at either USF1 or Campos, nothing really has and time is running out. Could Bernie pull the plug on one of these operation?

    2.) If Stefan were to take a spot form one of the new entries, could Stefan’s car and gear get approval to actually compete in time?

    Bottom line I guess is when is a decision made by Bernie on these newer teams?

    Sorry…guess that is three!

    1. Shaun,

      Entries are up to the FIA. Not Bernie. He can move and shake things within the restrictions that exist but he cannot tell the FIA what to do.

  4. What a FUBAR situation with USF1, Campos & Stefan GP trio. You couldn’t make this stuff up! For the first time in my life i will say this….I really pity Bernie if he has to put up with all of this crap! Hopefully 13 teams will be on the grid in Bahrain. I couldn’t care less at this point which of the two make it……

  5. Hi Joe,

    Great article. I suppose it would allow those of us in the U.S. to actually breathe a sigh of relief. However, if true, how does it affect the preparations for the car. I have to imagine that all work must have come to a standstill until the ownership question is settled. Will there be enough time to get the car finish and through it’s required crash tests in order to make the grid. I hope so, because despite all the speculation around the team, it does seem like there is an actual chassis being designed and built in Charlotte.

    Joe A.

  6. Well, if Americans who actually know what they are doing are poised to pile into USF1, the question is who?

    Is it too much to hope that Roger Penske, who has money enough to consider buying divisions of General Motors and pave the floors of his racing facility garage in marble, and obviously knows how to run a racing team, might step in?

    And he’s actually been an F1 team principal, to boot…

  7. Latest suggestion is that US F1 and Campos will “merge”. Or, to put it another way, it seems that the Liz Hurley bloke will take his money from the Americans and inject it into Campos instead. Other rumours suggest Colin Kolles is buying into/out Campos, having previously been linked with Stefan

    It’s all very confusing. I don’t know what to think. It does seem like US F1 is in trouble, pretty much a given that Campos is, and Stefan have a painted car that’s ready to go with a driver that’s already had a seat fitting. And yet we may not get any of them on the grid in Bahrain

    F1, eh?

  8. Its interesting that two of the original three new entrants are in doubt of showing up while Prodrive and Epsilon Eskadi was passed over. This was after the exhaustive due diligence process that they claimed. Max might be many things but dumb was not one of them, so the only logical conclusion is the winners were brought on precisely because they were weak and would probably need handouts from Bernie and thus be influenced by his invisible hand in dealing with the manufacturers. However in the present day, it is probably not in their interest to allow a new entry which would thus dilute that power, and the breakaway threat is well buried anyway, for now. Despite what Bernie says I think they are probably working frantically in the background to get these guys on the grid to prevent a face losing fiasco…

  9. I would love to see the Hispano-Suiza name in F1, although I’d rather it were much more than just a name.

    I doubt though that the French would be, in principle, keen on selling – at least if they are “traditional” French. to whom heritage is so important.

    You see the real Hispano-Suizas were built in France – the 37.2, the 45 8-litre and the fabulous V-12s. The post WW1 Spanish Hispanos were rather inferior I am afraid!

    But I would love to see to that beautiful stork on the side of an F1 car.

  10. Hi Joe thanks for your thoughts, very interesting and “opening some doors” as we say in french… will see what happens in the end but what you are writing makes a lot of sense to me.

    On a side issue… You are writing” HS sadly belonging to a french company”? But the current Hispano Suiza IS a french company since 1926!!!!

    Yes HS was founded in 1904 in Barcelona as a spanish company but the cars were mostly built in France (Levallois Perret -1911- and later Bois Colombes where they get involved in making engines for planes during the WW1.)

    On that matter it is amazing to know that the “Cigogne” that is still the HS emblema was the Squadron’s emblem of Guynemer -the french WW1 ace that the French Air Force still honours by wearing a black tie – because HS was producing his SPAD’s engine. This story looks a bit like the one of Ferrari’s prancing horse I think.

    In 1919 HS builds the H6 nicknamed “la Rolls Royce Francaise”.
    In 1923 the French HS company is founded. In 1936 the Spanish company disappears as such (civil war in Spain didn’t help)

    Since then the french company has always been involved with aeronautics in France and went through various reorganisations (SNECMA/SAFRAN).
    Rolls-Royce, Bombardier, Eurocopter, Boeing are amongst their customers
    I indeed do not deny the spanish origin of HS – nor the “swissness” of Mark Birkigt- but the company is in the french landscape for almost a century and a registered french company for 87 years.

  11. Seat should go back to touring cars not F1. I just don’t see a fit for them. At least touring cars would look like the cars they want to sell on the street.

  12. There is no way both Campos and USF1 will show up at any races this season or ever. Stefan are using an extra grid slot to use as a bargaining tool so they can buy any USF1 or Campos assets at knock-down prices.

  13. As I understand it, USF1 simply won’t be on the grid at Bahrain. The team has not passed any FIA crash tests, the mooted Barber test/shaedown on Feb. 20th isn’t happening and there are rumours all over the web that staff aren’t being paid due to absence of cashflow.

    I think Stefan is pushing for a 14th team for more basic reasons than you suggest – it is simply more strightforward than having to go through the rigmarole of replacing another entrant. Should USF1 or Campos (or both) fail to show up in Bahrain (and I certainly can’t see USF1 doing so), then Stefan is guaranteed to qualify for the 26-car grid.

    1. John Gibson

      This is not true. The team does not have an entry. The FIA issues entries. It has not issued an entry for Stefan. They can turn up if they wish but they have no right to compete unless the FIA agrees to it

  14. Just to clarify, Joe, what I meant was that if Stefan were indeed granted a 14th entry slot by the FIA, then (given that we have a 26-car grid max) the team’s cars would qualify for the Bahrain race if one of the other teams (e.g. USF1 or Campos) didn’t show up. Obviously, if Stefan does not have an official entry then it cannot race.

    As I understand it, if we have 28 cars then the 2 slowest fail to qualify. But if 2 cars fail to turn up at all then everyone else with an entry is guaranteed to qualify for the race (the 107% rule was scrapped in 2003 and has not been reinstated for this season if I understand it correctly).

  15. Interesting as always Joe.
    If Stefan GP were really planning on getting into F1, they would be better showing off a car on a track. Putting a car on the track would be their best option for putting pressure on FIA / Campos / USF1, rather than sending some containers to Bahrain.
    Not being subject to the restrictions of the F1 teams who do have entires, they could be out there showing what they can do.

  16. in your reply, bernie can’t tell the FIA what to do, you missed out an ‘any more’ 😉

    anyway, back to stefan. there’s no way that a 14th grid slot would be granted to them when it was catagorically denied to sauber.

  17. Nice work Joe. Stefan GP seem to have gone out of their way to put everyone in F1’s noses out of joint. That must be a heck of a motivation to sort out problems at US and Campos.

    As it stands, Stefan can test to his heart’s content: how does that differ from the Ascari resort, say?

    Nakajima’s bravado was entertaining in GP2, but somehow I doubt he or Stefan will contribute anything new or different to F1.

  18. Joe,

    For some reason, I am under impression that you don’t like StefanGP outfit. I hope your reasons are more than patriotic…

    So far Stefan GP was trying different ways to convince officials to let them participate, since they are likely to be ready.

    The fact that their boss is rather persistent person cannot be labeled as bad thing.

    And in interest of sport (and us, F1 fans), the FIA shall review the current situation and perhaps find a way to include SGP, since they are so eager to compete.

  19. Jeez Joe Saward writes good facts but I’d rather watch paint dry than actually read it. Please please mate scrape it off and spruce it up a bit! Look. I don’t particularly like Jeremy Clarkson but he is funny. I do particularly like you, factually, but you’re not in the least entertaining. Guess which I’d rather read.

    Umm, anyone any idea how I actually send this to Saward?

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