I have tried to explain the situation between Group Lotus and Team Lotus, which is obviously a source of considerable confusion. I have recently been sent details of link to a website which explains the situation in a very clear and concise way. I have no idea who is involved with the website, although I was sent the link by David Hunt, who is involved in the process, as one of the owners of Team Lotus Ventures Ltd.
There are ongoing proceedings in the English High Court in which Lotus Racing is seeking confirmation that Team Lotus Ventures Ltd has the rights to use the Team Lotus name and everything associated with that brand in relation to Formula One. If this is confirmed then Lotus Racing will be able to complete its deal with Team Lotus Ventures Ltd and use the Team Lotus name in Formula 1 in 2011.
joeblogsf1 
Sorry Bud, I’m still confused.
Sorry, but Fernandez needs to move on…. start your own dynasty, don’t buy it through the courts…
@Jumpy Bob
It could be worse – try working out Bernie’s CVC Capital Partners arrangements….
Cheers
Julian F
I notice that Group Lotus is going to be step up their involvement in IndyCar in 2012 with an aero kit and engine. They are also claiming the racing history there as well in the press release.
http://www.indycar.com/news/show/55-izod-indycar-series/40525-manufacturer-competition-blooms-with-lotus/
Todt could make it simple, by saying the FIA will accept one Lotus entry.
Maybe Peter Windsor is involved? If he plays a part in driving Proton off (or exposing the financial house of cards in which they are basing their effort to be the Kings Of All Motorsport) the whole USF1 thing will be instantly forgiven.
Joe,
What do you make of Group Lotus’ announcement that they are to be building engines and aero-kits for the 2012 IndyCar Series, as well as entering Le Mans, GT2 and GT4?
Are they risking everything by throwing so much together in one go?
Ok, so I tried clearing it up, but I kept trying to explain it in different ways. I ended up explaining it in three ways, and I am not sure which is the clearest (or if any are clear at all). Choose your favourite! 🙂
1)
Colin Chapman started “Lotus”. It was split up into “Group Lotus” for the road cars, and “Team Lotus” for the racing cars. Chapman ran both in parallel for many years.
Group Lotus was eventually sold to Proton, whereas Team Lotus was sold to David Hunt. Proton has tried many times over the years to use the “Team Lotus” name, but it is quite clear that they do not own it, as Group Lotus and Team Lotus were always separate entities.
Fernandes bought the “Team Lotus” licence so that he did not have to licence the general “Lotus” name from “Group Lotus”. Group Lotus also wants to enter F1, and use the name “Team Lotus”, even though they don’t own that name, and Team Lotus has never been a part of Group Lotus. Group Lotus/Proton have fought and lost that legal battle several times. Proton is now trying to muscle their way in, saying that the licence for “Team Lotus” is invalid, and that it was always Group Lotus’ property (despite several court cases resulting in the contrary).
2)
Explained by time:
60’s: Chapman owns and operates both “Group Lotus” and “Team Lotus” in parallel.
90’s: “Group Lotus” is sold to Proton, “Team Lotus” is sold to Mr. Hunt. Proton enters an Elise GT1 at Le Mans, but under the “Group Lotus” banner, as they cannot legally use the “Team Lotus” name.
2010: “Group Lotus” licenses Fernandes for F1 so he can use the basic Lotus name. “Group Lotus” wants get into F1 themselves, so they start talking about sponsoring Team Renault for 2011. Fernandes ends the licence with “Group Lotus” and buys the licence for “Team Lotus”.
2011: Fernandes has the “Team Lotus” licence, and wants to use the name; he has also secured Renault engines for his team, therefore resulting in the car being called a “Lotus-Renault”. Proton has the “Group Lotus” licence, and wants to buy into Renault’s F1 team, call the team “Team Lotus” (illegal) and then call the car a “Lotus-Renault”. That is probably the most confusing part. Each one is trying to get a Lotus-Renault on the grid… Fernandes by honourable, legal means, and Proton by muscling their way in.
3)
Fernandes:
What he wants: To run an F1 team himself, under the name of “Team Lotus”, with Renault engines.
How he wants to do it: Use his existing team that ran as “Lotus Racing” in 2010, and apply the name “Team Lotus” as he legally bought the rights to the name.
Proton:
What they want: To sponsor an existing F1 team (Renault F1), changing the name to “Team Lotus” or “Team Lotus Renault”.
How they want to do it: Sponsor Renault’s current F1 team by buying a large chunk of the team from Renault. The team would then be largely owned by Genii Capital and Group Lotus/Proton. They want to name the team “Team Lotus”, despite not legally owning the name. They hope to say that Team Lotus is a part of Group Lotus, rather than the two parallel entities that Chapman set them up as. This is a battle that they lost many times to David Hunt, and will hopefully lose to Fernandes as well.
The problem is : Fernandes don’t really want to wait the decision of the court… So, he is trying to make a deal with Group Lotus. His main problem is eventually his citizenship : as a Malaysian, he can’t really act against the group Proton (because the Governement is behind it). It could be a risk for him and his business…
David Hunt is behind that site, as the arguments put forward there are identical to the views he expressed to Peter Windsor in an interview that was recently re-published.
As disgusting as Dany Bahar’s behavior is, Hunt missed the point that throughout their common history, Group Lotus used the marketing mileage of Team Lotus, so its natural that it should continue.
Bahar and Proton should have worked with Tony Fernandes and gotten the free publicity and mileage that came with a Lotus F1 team. Instead, this has become an ego issue and it is clear that Bahar has an underlying ambition to become an F1 team principal.
I also fear for Group Lotus’s strategies – the IndyCar, LMP and GT programs I can understand, but GP2 and GP3? F1 as a ‘sponsor’ of the Genii team? 5 road cars in the immediate future? Bahar is clearly deluding himself and the board at Proton and I hope that somebody can knock some sense into them and make them realize that accepting Tony’s Team Lotus as a partner in exchange for free marketing rights and some possible eventual technology transfer is the only way forward.
Thank you for the link, very interesting. I do think however that you have been able to explain it very clearly and simply in the past – at least it has read very clearly, so maybe I have misunderstood or maybe your writing is simply rather good! I’m sure its the latter.
Do you know the date of the hearing in the High Court Joe?
David H
No
Thanks Joe,
It is so good to see the Lotus name in F1, it would be a shame if Tony couldn’t continue with it. That said a names only that-a name- and the Team look well prepared for next year after a respectable result this season.
With a decent engine and gearbox under their belt and plans to develop their aero capability TF’s team could be the next Force India and even the next Red Bull.
a mrs McDonald ran a cafe in the UK for many years under the name McDonalds
big mac McDonalds tried to stop her using they name and took it to the UK courts
they lost …and I suspect that proton will as well
Leigh O’Gorman, I just read that also. Crazy isn’t it?
Or are they tring to muddy as many waters, dog in manger style?
Sometimes distractive pressure is the best tactic from a weak wicket.
(If they can muddle their history, I can muddle my metaphors)
What I understand, which likely is entirely wrong, is Group think they secured rights – at least to some historical connexion – by being a cash provider back in the day. This is mentioned on the “savelotus” website linked at top.
Then there is the thing that Fernandes *asked Group* for a license, and got it for 2010.
Meanwhile, there’s no sale I’m aware of of Team Lotus rights to Tony Fernandes.
I think he’s been a little misguided. If you plan to gain separate rights which someone will see as conflicting (rightly or wrongly) it has to be a bad idea to ask the person with whom you anticipate a conflict for anything at all.
Group will no doubt want to spend a very long time in discovery, and this part of the off – season is a poor time to initiate proceedings, because the High Ct is quite cyclical in its load, as is available talent. It’s hunting season now, not in Jan.
Somehow I think that Fernandes’ problem isn’t with registered IP ownership (the TMarks), but with good faith and any implied terms in whatever he agreed with Group to use the name – which he must implicitly have accepted was in part their name – for 2010.
Hypothetically, there may be a problem with diluton.
– F1 team licenses Lotus name.
– From who doesn’t own the rights in F1.
– Then F1 team comes back and flips finger and wants to use different rights to estop Group form being in F1.
That is, just a little tricky.
I also read today that Fernandes has Mahatir Mohammed as adviser.
That’s either a bonus or the kiss of death. Proton was Mahatir’s pet project. Can you imagine the conflict of interest?
– j
@RobK: Simply wrong.
Fernandes bought the name Team Lotus. And while of course he didn’t build that heritage, he so far succeeded in doing what no one else has managed to do for the last 15 years: revive a Lotus F1 team.
Group Lotus on the other hand is trying to get the rights to the Team Lotus name through bullying Fernandes using the Malaysian government.
Dany Bahar being the modest kind of guy that he is, I wouldn’t be surprised to read that Group Lotus is trying to take over Google, Boeing and VW next week. And perhaps acquiring the USA along the way. Maybe building some SUVs and toasters and buying Lakshmi Mittals companies just to be on the safe side. Should do for the next weeks.
Hello Joe
Would you be in position to confirm that during the last week’s young guns tests in Abu Dhabi the Renault F1 Team was officialy listed as the Lotus Renault Team?
This information was announced in Polish media by two Polish F1 journalists, whom you probably know from F1 paddock.
I’m just bored of the whole thing now – even once all the legal ramifications are sorted out, none of these entities will ever be Lotus in real terms.
It’s just some marketing vultures who have presumably found an opportunity to make money from the Lotus heritage, and now they are having a fight over it.
Call yourselves what the hell you like and try to build a better racing car.
Perhaps Lotus Renault could enter a 3rd team in several years & call it DeLorean F1.
The possibilities are endless…………
http://www.who.is/dns/saveteamlotus.com/
registered out of Ft Lauderdale…
If Tony F’s team is good enough for Clive and Hazel Chapman and David Hunt, it’s good enough for me.
Even though I’m a Fernandez supporter I find this very one sided and disappointing that they can’t even say who they are.
As someone else has already said there’s a tradition of the group using team lotus to promote their cars.
And then to us wiki ad an example is ridiculous. They could go and edit the article if it’s inaccuratr.
Joe,
been reading Tony Fernandes twitter feeds over the last week?
He doesn’t sound like ge feels like giving group the team lotus name does he? I think this will only be resolved in the high court.
Proton have a lower success rate that that blonde haired girl off x factor when it comes to high court against David hunt…
Did anyone else see “when playboys ruled the world” this week by the way, about Barry sheen and James hunt. Excellent insight.
This Team Lotus thing is far too goddamn confusing for most of us.
Let us know when it settles and where exactly David Hunt and the Chapman family figured?
Agree with John O’Neil. In my mind the only group that has the DNA from the original Lotus is Classic Team Lotus.
Wonder what they think?
Thankyou Malcom! That is the best, the most clear, in fact the only clear telling of this tale I have yet heard.
Let’s hope Fernandes wins out on this one. Bahar is an idiot, he should have simply given Fernandes his seal of approval and Fernande’s team has obviously been good for Bahar’s car company.
For every reason I can think of I hope Fernandes wins. Least of all that I want Renault to stay and I think Air Malaysia Racing of F1Malaysia or whatever, sounds simply terrible.
Perhaps they should name the current lotus after Jean-Paul Satre in deference to the greatest thinker of the engine providers country. They do have plans to run in black and gold. So Team Lotus running J P S Renault mk I cars in 2011. Simples.
Group Lotus. Splitters.
Soeren,
“@RobK: Simply wrong.
Fernandes bought the name Team Lotus.”
slight mistake there, as this was Joe’s last sentence of his post:
“If this is confirmed then Lotus Racing will be able to complete its deal with Team Lotus Ventures Ltd and use the Team Lotus name in Formula 1 in 2011.”
Say you protected and cared for an asset for night 20 years,
and yet the buyer might not be able to take it over without getting your baby messed up in some bunch of jerks’, who went out of their way to abuse you, land – grab.
1. Would you complete that deal, so see someone without the faith take over?
2. Just exactly how much is this trademark worth to someone who:
a) May have gone about things in the wrong order fatally.
b) Is making cooing noises that he might deal with your enemy.
c) Has as adviser the guy most connected to the enemy, who may have put things up in the messy way they are now (Mahatir).
?????
[a) can be explained by Group negotiating for the Team trademark in bad faith.
The more i consider Mahatir, the more i think he wants his pet project, Proton, to fully rename Lotus, and for every last bit of the heritable accolade to be firmly in their / his hands.
That may sound absurd now, but for his many many faults, Mahatir thought to build very long term, and structurally, did his country a lot of good.
You may object to the blatant abuse of late 90’s Tiger debt.
He just devalued so hard they never had to pay back.
You may wonder about the Anwar Ibrahim affair. Think Khorodovsky in a different way. Nasty nasty nasty real politick. Anwar wanted to honor the debt Mahatir loaded up on and shirked, and knows what the scams were.
So, this Mahatir knows who’s the fool in the room, and i think the press and general public including myself don’t have a clue.
– j
p.s. For Fernandes to win this, there has to be a culling of heads. I still fancy him though. Mahatir is by now a triple agent at the least 🙂
CHRISK5,
DeLorean F1?
You want to kill Chapman all over again?
🙂
best one so far!
John O’Neill,
I agree it’s just too murky to get excited about as a fan
.
What’s the time – line?
Was David Hunt in talks with Group / Proton when Fernandes approached him?
Was either party informed of the other?
– we shall find out in disclosure.
But Hunt was marketing the name, so why couldn’t Fernandes have dont the straight deal? Is the current situation covering for a few too many regrets? (I mean the kind a court is disappointed in)
In the end, Proton wants a name to stand out in Asia. Despite the huge Chinese ethic population of Malaysia, there’s no love lost between them and mainland China, commercially. (I think, see above, and only with every right in their hands))
Proton, Samyang, BYD, or Lotus?
Which sounds nicer, and has the cultural ring to it?
I may be dead or in my bath chair by the time such plans turn out, but people do think about their legacy, especially ex prime ministers who fell in disgrace.
What we all wanted was a gutsy privateer.
All we got was this lousy big – company politicking.
– j
Is there anyone who cares which Lotus has the right to call itself Lotus? It’s not the team from the past anyway.
Bahar Humbug!
As for MacDonalds…….a friend came home from Canada in 1972 raving about these burger places with a big arched “M”. I told him it would never catch on here in England.
David Hunt bought a pup in 1994, he’s never used the name in any racing category for over 15 years. To save causing further harm to the brand he should immediately do the right thing and hand the rights over to Group Lotus, for free.
If he desperately wants a ‘racing team’ then Team Hunt would suit his needs perfectly.
Martin,
You need to do a little more work on the subject. What you say is not correct.
Perhaps Fenandez should call it “Team Chapman” and we should all tell the Malasian wallies to sod off?
@Steve
If Group Lotus are planning a bigger role in Indycar, then they’ll be treading on the toes of Team Lotus (North America) Ltd., a company that is an entirely separate entity from Group Lotus and Team Lotus.
Group Lotus have about as much right to the Team Lotus F1 name as Tony Fernandes in releasing a car called a Lotus Elise.
To me, this whole episode has similarities with VW’s buy-out of Rolls-Royce Bentley. Unfortunately VW forgot to check who actually owned the RR name. Hint: it wasn’t Rolls-Royce Bentley. And that’s why BMW currently sell Rolls-Royce motor cars, and VW only sell Bentley motor cars (and own a nice bit of real estate in Crewe).
B’lox.
Does this thing even exist? (continue reading, the first is just a bit of – important – context, read the class desciptions)
IN THE MATTER OF APPLICATION
No. 83358
BY GROUP LOTUS PLC FOR REVOCATION OF
TRADE MARK No. 2297413A
STANDING IN THE NAME OF
TEAM LOTUS VENTURES LIMITED
BACKGROUND
1) The following trade mark is registered in the name of Team Lotus Ventures
Limited.
Mark Number Registration
Date
Class Specification
TEAM LOTUS 2297413A 12.09.03 41 Sports entertainment services,
motor racing, club services,
hospitality, organisation of
competitions and events.
2) By an application dated 17 October 2008, Group Lotus Plc applied for the
revocation of the registration under the provision of Section 46(1)(a) claiming there
had been no use of the trade mark on the services for which it is registered in the five
years following the date of completion of the registration procedure. A revocation
date of 13 September 2008 is sought.
3) On 6 January 2009 the registered proprietor filed a counterstatement denying the
applicant’s claim.
4) Both sides filed evidence. The matter was due to be heard on 11 January 2010.
However, on 6 January 2010 the registered proprietor consented to the revocation of
the trade mark.
The trade mark is therefore revoked in full as of 13 September 2008.
[sorry bout formatting, there’s not much I can do]
plug “team lotus” into here:
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results.htm
Here’s where you need to search, sorry no linkables:
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-text/
passing off only works IF AND ONLY IF ALL THE FOLLOWING APPLY:
–
To be successful in a passing off action, you must prove that:
* the mark is yours
* you have built up a reputation in the mark
* you have been harmed in some way by the other person’s use of the mark.
–
–
Now suddenly, TLV have a new app going for about every class known to mankind.
WHY?
..
Beaceuse the earlist classification is this:
..
Class 35:
Advertising services in Class 35, all relating to Formula One motor racing; but not including any such services relating to pre-recorded tapes.
. .
here’s all Team Lotus Venture’s Limited’s registrations:
..
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-adp?propnum=0709822001
I don’t know about your english comprehension, but as an ad-man, hmmmm, they seem to describe theselves as ad-men. Try reading it again, but that’s what I see.
“Class 35
Advertising; business management; business administration; office functions; electronic data storage; organisation, operation and supervision of loyalty and incentive schemes; advertising services provided via the Internet; production of television and radio advertisements; accountancy; auctioneering; trade fairs; opinion polling; data processing; provision of business information; retail services connected with the sale of [list specific goods].”
services are a nebulous thing. I could get a registration in that class for F1.
– – –
I really want to curse loudly now. I’d have a field – day with this.
When exactly was this high court decision, and what was its serial?
P.s.
that explains better why there was no TLV > Fernandes sale, and why the Fernandes Group deal was done.
So, is it all now a shakedown of TLV from two fronts?
So… does this mean that David Hunt forgot to renew the Team Lotus trade mark (I’m assuming this means the Team Lotus badge) and that Group Lotus is free to use it?
Does this harm the upcoming case for Tony and David?
There is a group lotus attempted registration in there as well http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E9251497 lots of fun for the lawyers at the High Court im sure! It’ll be interesting to see how it turns out in any case and how the future funding for the current Renault team turns out.
Further to the above the pdf on this page is a fascinating read in general on the affair and the previous decision that restricted the trade marks to just F1 usage.
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-challenge-decision-results/t-challenge-decision-results-bl?BL_Number=O/147/03
(o14703)
Alan H,
harm Hunt / TVL’s (Fernandes is separate) case?
Did I say I’d have a field day with this?
Who has the better funding?
But poor class coverage does not imply a free license or free use for Group, it merely allows them to drive a wedge.
Should say, I was, sadly am still, involved in a decade long bit of litigation with a “heritage” trademark. I keep wanting to quote amusing bits of international tribunal on Treaty I long forgot.
(It’s amusing however that the *first* ever award of a US case to a European mark holder – the US failed studiously to ratify the treaties they negotiated, my first ever real mistake involved some US corp laughing at me and my costs – was in favor of SociĂ©tĂ© des Bains de Mer. That makes a very interesting route, if TVL want to go multi – jurisdictional, because if you get Langham before a jury, and win . . . )
Continuous Usage In The Assigned Classes (my capitalised emphasis and phrase, because this is like a mantra) is the key to maintaining, as opposed to obtaining rights. Use or loose.
Look at any app doc, you must make use within 5 years, or abandon by default. So any post 1994 application in motorsport, as opposed to anciliary activity to motorsport, is void, or precocious in the extreme.
In fact the precociousness of Hunt’s TVL is extremely surprising. It appears they applied for a mark, in class 41 (motorsport etc) on the back of a hypothetical deal to sell that to another entity to race. I believe that would be a nullity because TVL held no equity in the mark, and may even be considered to hold no locus standii.
Put this, in the context of what may be interpreted to be simultaneous negotiations with two parties. One holds other rights in a mark, sufficiently similar as to be confused by the public (that’s a critical infringement test) and another, who might be considered an interloper (as someone who mistakely smoked JPS fags once upon a time, it was the Time magazine ads . . but it made me a fan, I’d call any new team called Lotus an interloper).
There is also the novel (to english law) concept of good faith, to add to privity, if standii and equity in contract weren’t adequate safeguards.
Good faith is simple in intent, but viscious in detail, why it took so long to be adopted in the system here. I negotiate with you, but pull out, and it harms you. If I did that for reasons which profit me by subterfuge, I am in breach. That’s on top of equitable costs in contract, which is another arguable point.
The application TVL abandoned was directly in motorsport. Class 41, if you missed it, the one I posted and whilst trying to make that copy/paste legible, lost my ability to summarise clearly . . .
I have met some characters in my time. Did TVL think they could obtain a class 41, whilst they were flogging the simulacra to Fernandes? (New to me is the accelerated examination procedures avaiable at what is now a renamed office)
Rather stupidly i believed TVL had managed to get an extension from an earlier mark because famous marks gain extra-ordnary protection. That is not the case, so far as i have infomration available. Even if they had, there would be good question as to proper transfer. That usually entails goodwill and actual tangible assets being sold, in the right way. Goodwill itself, if properly transferred, involves a continuing balance on the sheets which would be reflected on (presumably internal) depreciation or impairment accounting. For that to occur, the former entity which raced in 1994 would have had to have its assets transferred either in insolvency or from TSol in dissolution.
I’d say this is a fair burden for TVL to establish, before they can moralise in public.
TVL are limited therefore to being promotors, until they shw a better hand.
But they have possibly claimed to be promotors of the assets which says, err, they are promoters.
Which is going to place a further burden as to their evidence, i.e. do we believe their technical evidence, if they have shown to be able to manipulate it for potential gain?
That is where either Fernandes or anyone else acting as a double agent would be an awesome conclusion to this. It’s akin to entrapment.
. . .
Whilst I am required to admit all I write is theoretical and speculative, the above could be expanded into something I’d bill for. When I posted those last items, i suddenly remembered (it’s a decade and a half) a two removed personal link which could exist between my company and what’s going on now. I say that only because I had this little reverie thinking only my ex business partner (who is still a great friend) could have come up with something so intricate. Bloody high ELO chess players 🙂
So, to clarify, as I’ve no actual connexion here,
what I was saying was:
– 1. TVL is bunkum.
– 1. a) I was wise to that by reading the link at top of page. That’s not how you win this kind of thing, and was suspiciously full of rhetoric
– 2. There is no reason why Tony Fernandes is not playing his own game. I think therefore he’ll win for himself. (see comments above)
– 3. Why is the press so bloody awful about this? Has none of them got a mate in IP law? (admittedly this crosses several disciplines, not limited to law)
– 4. I think this is of no matter in sporting terms.
– 5. The Renault shakedown is I think GenII getting out before they can’t roll their debt funding. Lotus – Renault, as a name might appeal much more widely within their organisations, and reading so many comments, I think a lot would like to see that, albeit the paint was a different color.
– 6. I am very prepared to be proven wrong. But if I am 100% wrong, I doubt we’ll not see another game afoot. Call it “retired injured” in cricket terms, or time – out.
– 7. No – one, but no-one in any press has properly weighed in.
– 8. Joe Saward is still doing the best job to get this news out.
– 9. It’s ALL a scam, all sides, the law is being abused, or at least used as a prop.
– 10. If Fernandes wants to finance TVL’s defence (only recently made legal in E&W) he has to waste say 5% of 2011’s budget.
. . .
wow, that’s more opinionated than I expected,
if Fernandes is a player, he’ll rise. Cream is just souring milk, anyhow 🙂
– john
Craig,
I missed that,
thank you!
for anyone perusing but not clicking links, some amusing, possibly interesting refs to Concorde there.
– j
RichyS,
“Unfortunately VW forgot to check who actually owned the RR name. Hint: it wasn’t Rolls-Royce Bentley.”
Ha ha! Yah, i was taught physics by a proper RR aero-engineer.
I was there, at least hearing it from the people.
Why suddenly did they start making vroom vroom noises to distinguish from the BMW – plant RRM?
(and lift a bit from AUDI’s halo to do so)
On the floor laughing,
– john 🙂
RichyS,
just to recap a comment of mine from above,
VW got their own back by suckering Bernd Piechesrieter.
Yeh, you were really good geting us on that one.
So good, we want you as CEO.
Oops, Yer Fired Mate!
– j
This is how far I’ve managed to come with finding out who owns the domain. That said, I haven’t expended too much effort, just sent one email.
If someone wants to pick up the torch, go right ahead.
Domain Name: saveteamlotus.com
Expiry Date: 2011-11-14
Update Date: 0000-00-00
Create Date: 2010-11-14
Registrar of Record: ARCTIC NAMES INC.
Registrant:
Allmy People
c/o AllMyPeople
2880 Queen Street East
4-206
Brampton, ON, ca
L6S 6H4
Voice: +1.4162009054
Fax:
EMail: inquiry@ysn.ca
Administrative Contact:
Allmy People
c/o AllMyPeople
2880 Queen Street East
4-206
Brampton, ON, ca
L6S 6H4
Voice: +1.4162009054
Fax:
EMail: inquiry@ysn.ca
Technical Contact:
Allmy People
c/o AllMyPeople
2880 Queen Street East
4-206
Brampton, ON, ca
L6S 6H4
Voice: +1.4162009054
Fax:
EMail: inquiry@ysn.ca
Billing Contact:
Allmy People
c/o AllMyPeople
2880 Queen Street East
4-206
Brampton, ON, ca
L6S 6H4
Voice: +1.4162009054
Fax:
EMail: inquiry@ysn.ca
Domain Name Servers
ns1.meganameservers.com
ns2.meganameservers.com
ns3.meganameservers.com
Registration Service Provider
Name: egateDOMAINS Inc.
URL: http://www.egatedomains.ca
EMAIL: helpdesk@egatedomains.ca