A curious turn of events

The FIA statement after the Monaco GP that suggested that Pirelli and Mercedes-Benz might not have had proper permission to go testing after Barcelona rang alarm bells on Sunday night in Monte Carlo. The original stories about illegal testing were clearly a storm in a teacup, but the FIA announcement that evening raised eyebrows.

Firstly, the FIA rarely does anything quickly when it comes to Formula 1 and the press release came out with such alacrity after the stewards ruling that it seemed decidedly out of character. The statement seems to have taken Mercedes and Pirelli rather by surprise as well, as they clearly thought that what they were doing was OK. There is, logically, no reason for either organisation to do anything to get themselves into trouble with the federation and while other teams may have squawked about the test that took place there was no obvious reason to suggest that any advantage had been gained. It was just another opportunity to squawk, just as Red Bull did after the Spanish GP.

So what on earth, if anything, was going on? An FIA Tribunal will examine the matter at some point in the next few weeks, although it will probably not happen before Canada. We will see in Montreal whether Mercedes has really made such a huge leap forward in terms of tyre performance, or whether the win in Monaco was more to do with the nature of the track than the tyres. It will still be hard to judge because teams make progress all the time, but if the cars fade in the race as they have at other tracks, then there will be indication.

The FIA says that while approval was given for the test, there are aspects of what happened that are questionable. There is no doubt that in the Sporting Regulations it says that teams are not allowed to test current cars during the season, except for a number of straight line aerodynamic tests and the Young Driver test. They are, however, allowed to run cars that are two years old or more. Pirelli says that in its contract, it is allowed to ask a team to supply a car for testing if there is a safety issue involved. There is an argument that this was required after some tyre failures in Bahrain, although Pirelli itself has said that safety was not compromised by the treads coming off. Ferrari did agree to do a test for Pirelli in Barcelona with a 2011 car driven by Pedro de la Rosa. Given that Pirelli says that old cars are not much use for testing 2013 tyres, it is an odd thing to have done, although it is always possible that Pirelli reached that conclusion during the Ferrari test. Whatever the case, plans were then made for Mercedes to do a three day test, between May 15 and 17 in Barcelona, using a 2013 car.

The tests were not announced because it seems that Pirelli was worried that any attempt to test would be met with the kind of uproar and bad publicity that was heard in Monaco on Sunday. It was a better idea to get the job done on the quiet and not have to deal with a storm of noise in the media. That argument makes a lot of sense.

The FIA is disputing that it agreed to the test that occurred, which suggests that Mercedes and Pirelli took advantage of the situation. However Pirelli argues that it did not inform Mercedes what tyres were being tested and that these were a combination of work that was useful for 2014 and in an effort to solve the problem of the tread coming off, as was seen in Bahrain. These tyres were likely to have been different constructions, profiles and compounds and as we have seen on many occasions this year the 2013 tyres behave very differently in different temperatures and so arguing that Mercedes will have gained an advantage is stretching the argument.

So it is fair to say that the problem is not about the tyres, but rather about how and why the test came about. The technical people at the FIA know that it is unlikely that Mercedes gained any advantage from the test, so if there is trouble it is for reasons other than those being stated by the rival teams.

All of this is occurring against a backdrop of negotiations for a new tyre deal for 2014-2015-2016. Pirelli is making the point that it is a bit too late to change and that the teams need to agree to the financial deals on offer or the sport could find itself without a tyre supplier, if Pirelli decides to walk.

So the real question is whether or not it is too late for another tyre company to replace Pirelli.

Turn back the clock three years to May 2010 and there was a similar story going on. The sport had yet to agree whether to use Pirelli or Michelin. The French company’s offer was attractive, both technically and financially, but there was a political game going on in the background. Bernie Ecclestone wanted Pirelli, FIA President Jean Todt wanted Michelin. The question was really over who had the right to decide.

Was it a commercial matter or a sporting one?

In some championships the FIA asks for bids from suppliers, in others it leaves it up to the commercial rights holder. It is not clear who should decide. In 2010 the deal for 2011-2012-2013 went to Pirelli. The FIA accepted the situation after Michelin backed away from the negotiations. It was in many respects a victory for Ecclestone but the FIA had no choice but to accept the deal in the circumstances. The announcement was made on June 23 after the deal had been signed off by the World Motor Sport Council. In the press release at the time the FIA noted that “the sole supplier will undertake to strictly respect the sporting and technical regulations implemented by the FIA”. It was an odd statement. Now that there has been a glitch it sounds almost threatening.

Conspiracy theorists in F1 circles are now suggesting that the minor kerfuffle in Monaco has become something rather bigger, not because Mercedes gained any great advantage as rival teams are arguing, but rather because it has presented the FIA with an opportunity to reassert its power on the question of who decides on the technical partnerships of the Formula 1 World Championship. Both the FIA and FOM claim the right, but the outcome is more to do with who plays a better political game at the moment the deal is done.

If Pirelli was able to bang out the right kind of tyres in 2010-2011 despite the decision not being made until the World Council meeting in June, the same must be possible for Michelin in 2013-2014.

The other elements of this so-called scandal can be written off as being a sign of the disjointed nature of the sport at the moment, with the teams fighting over anything and everything because they are unhappy with one another about commercial deals struck and other political games played.

It will be interesting to see what happens next.

143 thoughts on “A curious turn of events

  1. After a drought over the past couple of years albeit with the odd intrigue, it’s exciting to see the prospect of some proper political battles returning to f1.

    I realise a lot of people don’t like that side of the sport, but aside from the odd minor flashpoint it’s been all too quiet since 09

    1. I don’t really like the politics as a general rule, but when you read a story like that you sometimes can’t help but be fascinated or intrigued by it. Maybe if the issue persists I’ll get fed up but for the moment it’s certainly caught my attention.

  2. Seems to me like you’re diminishing the very great benefit that Mercedes received from 1000km of extra running of it’s (somewhat troublesome) car? Do we know if they did any testing of new aero packages? weren’t there substantial changes to their exhausts at Monaco. being able to try that stuff at Barcelona would have been a huge leg up even if Pirelli was treating test as a “blind tasting”?

      1. “The technical people at the FIA know that it is unlikely that Mercedes gained any advantage from the test, so if there is trouble it is for reasons other than those being stated by the rival teams.”

        ^ That’s all you said about it’s relevancy.

        As I said I think you’re diminishing the very great benefit of 1000km of private testing must have brough them..

        And it sounds like the FIA are too. But they would now wouldn’t they.

        1. I have explained why it is of no value if a team does not know the tyres being used. Mercedes may have hoped that the test would give them clues as to why the cars don’t work on the tyres over more than a few laps.

          1. So Mercedes did it out of kindness? come on Joe, you know better than that. Bear in mind I’m not saying they did it despite the fact they knew it was illegal, I’m saying they did it because there was a benefit for them, and it outweighted the perceived cost.

          2. Come on Joe.

            Within a lap or three of running these ‘mystery tires’, the technical mavens at Mercedes must have had an excellent notion as to which tire compound had been installed.

            Not only would they have grip statistics from their on-board accelerometers, the temperature sensors, torque sensors, and IR cameras focused directly on the tire surface would give them even further confirmation.

            While I completely agree that Mercedes did nothing improper, they absolutely had an opportunity to receive a significant technical benefit.

              1. I realize you don’t have time to provide detailed responses to every comment, but a single sentence of explanation can go a very a long way. A single word? Not so much.

                I’ve presented a logical thesis backed by my fairly robust knowledge of modern data systems. Your response has done nothing to dissuade me, and most likely, many others from believing that Mercedes absolutely stood to gain from the test.

                In fact, your claim could certainly be termed as “extraordinary”. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

                As I said, I don’t believe Mercedes did anything improper, but you’ll have to provide some significant substantiation to back up the contention that Mercedes stood to gain no technical advantage. On the face of it, such a claim seems, well. . preposterous.

                1. They have failed to solve the problem in three years and it is absurd to think they could have done it in one test with tyres of different constructions and different compounds and no information at all.

                  1. Yes, but why do you believe the ‘mystery’ tire compounds could not have easily been sussed out by the team, especially after having analyzed the torrent of sensor data available?

                    I won’t argue as to how much technical insight they actually gained. That point does not seem easily provable either way.

                    Saying that Mercedes were not able to figure out which compounds they had run? That grossly underestimates the technical acumen of modern Formula One team. It seems a truly extraordinary claim.

                  2. Solving problems is a work in progress. Pass results do not affect future outcome. They had the oportunity of testing the new tyres and compare to with the old ones. They had the chance of already having data to compare with when the new tyres are introduced. This is assuming of course tyres is the only area where they could improve by running over 3 GP’s in distance. I don’t think this is the greatest scandall ever, but I do understand why other teams complain. Interestingly enough, they do not want Mercedes to be penalized, they want to be given the same opportunity. This means it is not just Mercedes who believes the benefits of the tests outweighted the cost. And this is with the benefit of insight, something Mercedes lacked when they agreed to run the test.

      2. I understand your views on this but perhaps you’re willing to consider some other ways of looking at it.

        FWIW, there are several other well informed and experienced analysts who think otherwise. Gary Anderson, Alan McNish and James Allen all weighed in the subject on the post-race BBC Chequered Flag podcast and they agreed that Mercedes had to have gained in one manner or another from having 1000km of testing. Even if Merc didn’t learn anything that could immediately be applied to the current car and it’s tire wear issues and doesn’t show obvious short term improvements in this area in Montreal, it’s very possible they were able to glean other valuable data about tire performance or about other areas of the car. If nothing else, Hamilton and Rosberg got to practice with their current car for the equivalent mileage of three races – surely a benefit on some levels, esp under the current rules where this is not allowed, ever.

        Re: your point that it makes sense that the testing was kept secret to avoid the uproar: well, sure it makes sense if they thought they doing something that gave them an advantage and wanted to make sure no one tried to stop them. If both Merc & Pirelli were completely convinced that Merc had no possible advantage to be gained, then all they had to do was let everyone know about the test and convince them. Of course they knew the rules that would likely be applied and that they probably wouldn’t be able to pull it off, esp with their own drivers. IMO, the lack of integrity and sportsmanship demonstrated by the secrecy are more serious offenses than the even the possible advantages gained from the testing itself. No huge surprise: F1 history is filled with this type of behavior, as is so many forms of human endeavor but I hope we can at least strive to improve and outgrow it and naming it and creating consequences for it are part of that, IMO.

        Thanks for listening.

        1. There is no way this test was a secret.The other teams had to have known that Mercedes were staying as they didn’t break down their garage.Other team members would have asked why. Plus you can hear an F1 car about 50 miles away ! F1 is like a traveling circus every body knows or wants to know everyone else’s business.It’s inconceivable to think no one outside of Mercedes new what was going on.
          The other teams are only after more testing.The FIA (French) will suggest to Pirelli that its not working out (FIA set the bait saying they could test 2013 cars etc.Knowing there would be a technicality to drop Pirelli in it) and bring in Michelin.

    1. Rob
      If M-B had a new aero or exhaust package to test the day after the Spanish GP, why wouldn’t they already have tested it on the Friday before the Spanish GP, and used it in the race if it was any good?

      And even if this strange turn of events did occur, how could they gain from it? They were using tyres they had never used before, so they couldn’t compare the times with their previous times, and they couldn’t swap parts around during the test, as that would invalidate Pirelli’s comparative evaluations.

      People seem to think that the performance improvement between Barcelona and Monaco indicates that an advantage was gained, but Barcelona is one of the worst circuits for tyre wear, and Monaco has the lightest wear of anywhere, so M-B were always going to go better at Monaco even without changing anything.

      Joe
      Very interesting piece, many thanks.

      1. They could have tested a whole range of stuff over a 1000km test that they could not have tested on Friday. Whether they could have learnt about the tyres is debatable, but if they did not learn something, then they are a poor F1 team. ANY team in that position would at least try to gain an advantage!

  3. Hi Joe,

    The argument at the moment seems to be that ‘Mercedes’ are not allowed to test with their current (2013) car – who is to say that they did not ‘release’ / ‘contract out’ both the car and L.H / N.R to be run by Pirelli. That way Mercedes didn’t break the letter of the rules by testing themselves and thus the whole issue is a storm in a teacup?

    Andy

    1. That would be a pretty glaring loophole to have been left open though. Not implausible, but still…

    2. …….according to Hamilton, Mercedes had some work to do “and it was good fun”. Sounds pretty obvious then that Hammy was driving during the test session.

  4. What a tangled web we weave, and all that.

    I’d guess that Pirelli are in need of a bit of TLC at the moment, that or they will decide enough’s enough and walk away.

    Thanks for the update and your thoughts.

  5. I’m not sure the story was ever “clearly” a storm in a teacup, it seemed pretty clear that there was more to this than meets the eye.

      1. Joe, it was clear to a lot of us people who are not in F1, nor a journalist that this was a lot more than a just ‘storm in a teacup’. Since the ban on mid season testing, nothing remotely has happened like this. Testing was always done with chassis not competing in that years championship and with a Pirelli Test driver. The MB chassis has quickly destroyed its tyres within 10 laps in previous races yet I think they did a 2 stop (?) in Monaco? At one stage Rosberg suddenly speeded up by 2 secs per lap when he was told to ‘use his tyres’ he was able to manage them so well.

        So MB/drivers got no advantage from the 1000km test and didn’t learn anything useful?

        P.S. I raced FF1600 for 6 years in my 20’s. I would never suggest that you know nothing about racing cars, simply because you never raced one. Yet you make the same judgements about me ‘because I’m not a journalist’.

        1. As i understood it, it was the geometry of the rear suspension that destroyed tyres a little too readily. I wager that if the mercedes had continued to carve them up at monaco, not a lot would have been said, however since they are a lot better since china, the complaining has become deafening.
          Seems to me that nobody has really said what went on at at this test, Seems to me, Pirelli would have said something it appeared Merc was not just providing a car and actively testing.

          1. You cannot judge progress by Monaco. Secondly, if it was so easy the team of smart engineers would have solved it in 2011.

        2. Do you not think it’s odd that a single 1000km test solved all of Mercedes’ problems that they faced for years? Especially since you are judging their ‘improvement’ solely on their Monaco performance?

      2. Even on Sunday it was pretty “fishy” to say the least. I did question at the time why you were being so dismissive of the story.

        1. It is very simple. I checked it out at about 10.30. It did not seem worthy of any real attention. I then spent the next few hours working flat out to produce GP+. I then went to the grid and checked the story some more. It did not warrant more of than a mention that there would be a protest. I did not see any value in a protest. I then worked through until late in the evening. I saw the FIA statement at about 8pm and that raised an eyebrow not because it made the testing story any more credible because it rang alarm bells. I have since explained what I think it means. The actual test is still a storm in a teacup, but it looks like it being now being used for other purposes.

  6. Thanks a lot Joe.

    Nice to see that you’ve considered every aspect of the argument. There was a lot of jumping to conclusions at the weekend among motorsport journalists; a lot of Mercedes/Pirelli bashing using unsubstantiated evidence.

    Considering the FIA may want to reaffirm their strength in the governance of F1, what do you envisage the potential punishments being?

  7. Just as a by the way, I wonder what engines Mercedes used during the test given the restriction of 8 race engines per season.

    1. I think you answer your own question by using the phrase ‘race engines’. This had nothing to do with races; I’m sure they could use whatever new engines or gearboxes they wanted to.

  8. If a 2011 car is no use for testing 2013 tyres, what use is a 2013 car going to be for testing 2014 tyres considering the huge technical changes for next year.

  9. Personally, I can’t possibly see how the argument that Mercedes gained no benefit from a secret three day tyre test at Barcelona has any credence at all. Why would they agree if there was nothing to gain? Altruism isn’t normally a concept teams adopt mid-season. And as any racing driver will confirm, seat time is crucial to performance. Even if one accepts Mercedes didn’t benefit, their drivers certainly did. If it was just about tyres, where was their third driver?

    I’m also interested in whether the Mercedes trucks left the track after the GP and before the test or not. If they did, then that suggests a slight of hand that their competitors would understandably be rather irritated by.

    1. I suggest we wait and see what the FIA says. I don’t think Mercedes will come out of it too badly. I agree that altruism is not the name of the game…

      1. This all seems like cock up rather than conspiracy to me. I’m sure if anyone either at Pirelli or Mercedes had asked their head of PR how it would pan out if a secret three day in-season test at Barcelona was revealed to the other teams they would have got a one word answer (excluding expletives).

    2. What Merc could (perhaps) have legitimately gained from their ‘altruism’ is the development of tyres by Pirelli that are more durable, and therefore suit their tyre-eating car better than the current designs.

          1. Well… yes, but another team that would be likely to be in favour of a change (and has campaigned for it) is Red Bull, so why are they making a fuss about this?

            1. [insertToungeinCheekComment]

              Because they were not the testing team. 🙂

              [\insertToungeinCheekComment]

              Seriously though, if the test was run by Pirelli with setup changes done by Mercedes with Pirelli’s instructions, Mercedes may have three more days of testing different setup options that they would not ordinarily have. So, that combined with the probability of seeing some of the rubber tested in the future races down the season may be the reason why RBR, SF and now Lotus are having a problem with the test.

    3. ‘I’m also interested in whether the Mercedes trucks left the track after the GP and before the test or not. If they did, then that suggests a slight of hand…’

      In an interview I watched on Sky, Ross Brawn made he point that after the race at Barcelona that Mercedes were conspicuous for the fact that their trucks weren’t being moved and they didn’t appear to be packing up.

      1. If Ross says that then that is what happened. It would be stupid to lie about such a detail.

        1. Pardon me for being naive, and I know people have schedules, planes to catch etc but How come nobody spotted / reported this at the time?

  10. The mention of Michelin is interesting. Perhaps Todt has an axe to grind and bringing them back may be his dish best served cold but what strikes me most about all this is why, unless there is an awful lot of money to be made, any high profile tyre manufacturer would want the contract.

    Despite its fairly major foul-up, Michelin was treated pretty badly (Bridgestone had local knowledge of the track changes at Indianapolis); Pirelli have received masses of criticism and bad publicity – and is now embroiled in a headline-grabbing scandal that the teams and the FIA are stirring; and to do a Bridgestone, ie produce a grippy, low-degredation, high-resilience tyre, will be seen as boring and removing strategy from the game.

    The most likely outcome, perhaps, could be a manufacturer of lower profile looking to boost its visibility – and who might offer appealing commercial terms – or even a return to the tyre wars, which is the only way for tyres to genuinely hold centre stage without accusations of manipulation and dumbing down.

        1. You keep on flatly saying “no” to Hankook – but you never set out why. I know there’s no reason to justify yourself, but I must admit that I’m curious as to why a manufacturer that’s deeply into building their image and made ~748 million USD in 2011 couldn’t afford or want to do F1.

            1. Hah. I’m not one of those trolls, Joe. Note how I stated “I know there’s no reason to justify yourself, but I’m curious…”.

  11. Joe,

    As you’ve said, on the one hand, if the test was conducted by Pirelli and the tires were anonymized, one would imagine Merc gathered very little meaningful data during the test.

    But on the other hand, I can’t help but think Mercedes likely got to keep the data (the business of even just lapping an F1 car being so data-intensive now, it’s not as if they could just loan the car to Pirelli and pick it up at the end of the day), and are still poring over that data, to try to find an advantage. And when they get to Canada and see what compounds they have, won’t they likely be able to match that up with what they had in testing?

    When the teams are hiring companies to do gearing and horsepower analysis of the other teams’ respective cars, based merely on engine note recordings, I can’t help but think it would be shortsighted for us to think that some of the finest engineering minds in the world *couldn’t* still derive benefits from that test.

    Like you say, let’s see what happens in Canada. Or, perhaps it’ll rain again, and confound us all…

    Also, what would happen with engine and gearbox allocations for a test like that? I’m assuming the teams would be free to run non-quota’d units?

  12. This is a bit like the old practice of analyzing who stands where for photo ops on the Kremlin wall… except F1’s brand of intrigue is both far less important and far less sane…

    Reminds me of the view of academic politics attributed to Kissinger and various others: the reason the politics are so bitter is because the stakes are so small…

  13. Has anyone figured out exactly how news of the test reached ears outside Mercedes? Was it inadvertant or was someone(lots of suspects in the house) playing a card?

  14. Thanks Joe, that’s a very interesting take on events. It does rather beg the question about some faction within the FIA deliberately making the terms of their approval opaque enough that Pirelli and Merc thought one thing (as you say, I don’t see why either would line themselves up for pain over a test that was never going to remain secret forever) and the FIA could later claim it meant another. Presumably both sides have retained originals of the communiques passed between them and these will be presented at the Tribunal. Do you know whether this will be an in camera affair, or will journalists be able to sit in?

  15. Thank you for these interesting views on this case. I wonder though why it was only Ferrari and RB who lodged the complaint. I mean I can see how RB had to complain and kick up a fuss even if it was really a storm in a tea cup. But why did Ferrari get involved and why not others if it was based on performance gain on tires (like Renault, Force India etc.). Are Ferrari in on the FIA game perhaps?

    1. It’s not a class-action law suit, no-one else need get involved, the outcome should be the same regardless.

    2. Sidenote : other than Toro Rosso and Sauber (“feeder” teams to the plaintiffs to a greater and lesser extent respectively, therefore don’t really have to complain) the teams who’ve not “kicked up a fuss” are all under the FOTA banner. Which is interesting.

      Offers a potential question of whether Pirelli went to FOTA and offered testing under certain terms and Merc were the first/only team to agree. No one has said anything along those lines, which implies it’s not the case, but then again until a couple of days ago no-one was talking about this “secret” test at all.

  16. surely the FIA is between a rock and a hard place on this one – they can’t afford to annoy Merc as they are producing engines for a lot of teams next year and I’ve seen no hints of other tyre manufactures being interested in F1 with the current demands.
    interesting times…..

    1. They can’t afford to annoy Merc but they can afford to annoy Red Bull, Ferarri & Lotus (based on comments from the team since)?

      1. Red Bull and Lotus yes – constructors both, regardless of profile. Ferrari, not so much as they’re a supplier like MB.

  17. They could have even ran a 2014 engine in theory, with nobody around to check what they was doing. That’s the main issue. Nobody knows what Mercedes did, except running with some Pirelli tyres.

    Your collegue Adam Cooper reported that P.Hembery said that before the Monaco GP when asked what would be the ideal solution to the lack of opportunities for Pirelli to test:

    “Obviously when you’ve got a benchmark from a race, it’s ideal to go testing, because you’ll have fresh data,” he said. “If you could stay on with a couple of teams, and you could rotate them – that’s not really the issue – then you’re in a better situation, because you’ve got representative data, hopefully you’ve got the drivers that have just driven the race, and you can actually do some valuable testing. That would be the dream, but I’m not sure if that’s ever going to happen.”

    Something’s strange in this neigbourhood.

  18. F1 is all about information collection and processing. Could Mercedes not collect or process anything about/from:

    – the new tyres and their on-track characteristics
    – dialog with or comments from Pirelli during the testing
    – (new) parts on the car
    – reliability of (new) parts
    – setup relative to the tyres and the car in general

    ?

    I would think they would be intellectually bancrupt if they did not learn *anything* from 1000 km of testing.

    1. The tyres, as we know, are very very specific, so it is highly unlikely that they learned much. The cars work well enough aerodynamically as was seen by the various pole positions. Canada will tell us quite a lot.

  19. Cutting to the core point in your posting Joe, you believe this is a political struggle between the Todt/FIA/Michelin forces and Bernie/Pirelli forces?

    Very believable, but why would any of the teams care who supplies tires, as long as the technical/production capacity existed?

    Could Michelin be that desperate to recover from their prior F1 gaffs, they would resort to this type of back room arm bending and back stabbing??

    1. I don’t know but it makes more sense than any other suggestion. Power struggles like this are daily occurrences in F1.

  20. Joe, putting the eventual FIA conclusions aside for now, is there something here that Lauda could/would use to oust Brawn?

    1. I don’t know. It would be pretty stupid to break up a team that is there (or nearly there).

  21. Joe,

    Great article. Agree with your assessment that 1000kms isn’t going to have particulary helped Mercedes. Why? There tyre management has been awful since Pirelli came into the sport 2.5 years ago. I really doubt that one test on random tyres will have made any real difference when you consider they have not found a solution in over 2 years!

    1. Well, what if they tested other things like aerodynamics, suspensions etc.? (which I’m sure is why the two lead drivers were doing the driving). I think the point some teams make is about testing, the don’t care about the tyres as long as they can test. Ferrari have been saying this for years now.

      1. This was at the end of a race weekend don’t forget. Mercedes had 3 practice sessions to test stuff like that if they had any to test. I doubt pirelli would have wanted the cars running with different wings etc as it would have corrupted their data.

      2. How do we know Ferrari’s “older car” for their Bahrain test was completely an older car? We don’t. It’s easy to ask these questions isn’t it?

  22. Great politics. Much more important than racing motor cars to see who’s fastest! I love it.

  23. Joe,
    Have Pirelli declared a revenue and OI benefit from their F1 association?

    So far this year they have suffered significant negative publicity which is unwarranted and surely an unexpected outcome.

    Is there a chance they will indeed exit the sport at the end of the year?

    1. Last week I would have said no. This week I’m not so sure. The Pirelli Q1 financial figures were disastrous and the board might easily decide to tell an ungrateful F1 to “go forth and multiply”.

      1. Poor results.
        Poor press.
        Poor treatment from their ‘partners’.

        It doesn’t add up to continued investment from them does it. Hopefully they will assess the above will be worse if they do exit and that 2014 will shift the emphasis onto the engines and away from tyres. You have to imagine that a replacement supplier will be much much more conservative in their approach.

      2. Given that there is no alternative waiting in the wings with suitable tyres, where does that leave F1 if they alienate Pirelli enough to make them unwilling to renew?

          1. Ah, light dawns… sorry, I should have read your piece more thoroughly.

            If The Mole were here it’d be interesting to hear his views on who is pushing which agenda here. But I guess he and the Penelopes are too busy trying to figure out who has which MANPADs in Syria.

  24. This seems way too complicated. Did anyone break the law or not? Or does that depend on the definition of “law” and the definition of “break”?

  25. Joe Saward, your tongue is so far up Hamilton’s backside you could pre-taste any food hes about to eat. Your covering of Mercedes blatant cheating is just another notch on your cowardly, shambolic and stupid career as an F1 hack.

    1. Here is an example of the kind of stupidity I have to put up with. When people ask me why I get worn down by this blog, here is the answer. This individual will, inevitably, be banned from further comment, but it would be so much easier if such folk would learn how to behave. It is all laid out very clearly in the blog rules. Even Pavlov’s dogs were smarter than this one…

      1. CharlesB sounds like he’s not a fan of either you Joe, nor Hamilton… 😉
        More seriously : should the blog not have rules then we as readers would also end up suffering this type of petty school playground remark. I admit to being quite a football fan and maybe some of you will have read the blogs on major websites like Eurosport etc., where the comments linked to football articles are simply astounding. How can these websites allow people to vent their frustration so disrespectfully?
        I just hope you keep the faith Joe…

        1. I publish this only as a message to any other morons out there who want to vent their spleen at my expense.
          The message is simple: If you are abusive it will be trashed. You will be banned.
          No-one wants this sort of thing.

      2. One wonders why someone who holds your journalism in such low regard would be compelled to keep reading it.

      3. Agree 100%, Joe. Yours is the only F1 blog/site on which I read user comments these days. After many years on the Autosport forums I finally left five/six years ago after the a**eholes and rabid fanbois like CharlesB made every thread a miserable and thorougly unpleasant experience; an experience which sadly seems to have blighted most forums on the web. Many thanks for your continued – and intelligent/insightful – musings.

    2. Love you too, Sweetie!

      Interesting analysis.

      There are indications (as Joe has been endeavouring to explain) that this is the tip of an iceberg about a fight for the commercial and political future of F1 with next year’s tyre supply for the whole grid at stake (possibly).

      But no, this all about Hamilton.

    3. Back in the old days these kind of people would be standing on Camden High Street directing traffic in the middle of the road with a scrappy plastic bag and a straggly beard and an indistinguishable Scottish / Irish accent.

      Welcome to The Internet, where every bonehead has A Voice and An Important Opinion.

    4. B standing or what? Not Bright that’s for sure, Braindead is the only option. So why don’t you just Bog off, CharlesB

  26. If you look at the timeline/sequence of events, I wonder if this is all to do (quite understandably) with Pirelli being more concerned about safety of the 2013 tyres than they were perhaps prepared to say publicly. Their brand reputation would be toast if they came straight out and said ‘yes a few tires failed and we’re concerned…’ Also don’t forget Merc got a 5 place grid penalty through no fault of their own. It would make sense to keep things low key, play it down and conduct a straightforward legal test with a 2011 chassis to replicate the failures. Only I’d guess the 2011 (Ferrari) chassis didn’t replicate the failure(s) + I recall Lewis H saying in his BBC column that the Merc has impressive rear grip.

    The only way to be sure of replicating conditions would be to use the same car & driver on which the worst failure occurred – running the same configuration. It would also make commercial sense for Pirelli to have a safety clause in their contract to protect their brand in this instance. And understandable that they’d want to keep it stealthy to avoid some teams using the situation to further make public complaints that serve their own agenda.

    Interestingly the decision to bring forward the revised tyres to Canada was announced on 14th May – perhaps the result of something they learned testing or tested on Monday 13th?

    If they do have such a clause in their contract, it will be interesting to see if this makes the Independent Tribunal. We could end up looking back on it as the ‘rulebook vs. common sense/safety case’.

  27. Joe

    Why did Pirelli need a 2013 car, don’t they have a 2012 car at their disposal? Surely there can’t be that much difference in their tech spec? Anyway interesting that MB seem to be reflecting Ferrari’s attitude of the early 2000’s. No coincidence that the same guy is in charge?

    1. They say that a 2012 car does not produce the same results as a 2013 car and I believe them.

      1. Perhaps you SHOULD believe them because otherwise they poured $200m + down the drain for nothing if it is the SAME results as a 2012! It should be about that much different!

  28. interesting take on events here but just a couple of points need further elaboration. who paid for the test costs? a three day test costing around $1.5million surely would’ve been paid for by pirelli. if not then would mercedes benz be willing to pick up the tab for zero benefit. i somehow don’t see MB as a benevolent benefactor?

    another point of interest is the clandestine turn of events. you said it yourself joe. keep it quiet, do it and face the flak after. that alone tells you something surely? obviously they were not 100% sure that it was kosher hence the secrecy. something as bold and potentially damaging to both parties would eventually come out and it would take on an even more sinister tone.

    nothing is ever as it seems at first take and i am sure that there is far more to this than we are ever likely to know.

  29. “Pirelli says that in its contract, it is allowed to ask a team to supply a car for testing if there is a safety issue involved. There is an argument that this was required after some tyre failures in Bahrain, although Pirelli itself has said that safety was not compromised by the treads coming off.”

    Since the interpretation of the word “safety” will be an FIA one, and since I believe you reported on this blog that the FIA had asked Pirelli to ‘do something’ about the tyre delaminations on the grounds of safety, this head seems well-founded. Of course Pirelli are not going to say “yes, they are unsafe”, but the FIA was pretty clear on that point.

    I’m with Hembery on the idea of 1 team per GP ‘staying behind’ – seems perfect.

  30. Chances of Pirelli staying on next year after this latest development?

    Some of the recent comments from Hembry, regarding lack of testing opp, lack of a 2014 deal, now this from the FIA, sounds ominous, but then I read that Provera (Pirelli President) met with Ecclestone following Monaco and that they are approaching signing a new deal….

  31. After the Gary Hartstein ‘incident,’ I am suspect that JT has an agenda which he will take any opportunity to implement.

  32. Seems like the F.I.A. are imposing a threat to the PIRELLI tyre company is not a good move, if they walk ”ITS OVER”.Technically PIRELLI could leave if it is to much hassle,as the current expiry date is looming . The teams are squabling for scraps on the table and they are acting like children. This tyre test problem, in my opinion Ross Brawn or someone in Mercedes should have looked at the rule book and they should have known about this could blow up in their faces, Running an F1 team is a huge undertaking and with no exception everyone should know the rules, They have to scutinise the rules to build the current car, so why is this any different, Are they trying to gain an unfair advantage, who knows,Red bull/FERARRI are moaning and they may just have a point.

    1. Of course they looked at the rule book. They consulted the FIA and lawyers were asked opinions and so on. The question is whether or not anyone took advantage of the agreement.

  33. Joe,

    Do you get the sense that Pirelli and Mercedes are preparing to go in an fight their corner with resolute belief? If not is this going to be one of those situatiobs where the organisations involved blame the poor judgement of individuals? Could we see a couple of high profile employees leaving as a way to demonstrate that the houses have been put in order as a way to appease the FIA?

  34. Nobody can deny they were not working on their setup of the car with their drivers. Not stupid if there were no avantage to accept this duty for free.

    1. But the setup is fine. The cars have been on pole in the last three races. What they don’t get and haven’t for three years is how to make the tyres last longer. One test with unidentifiable tyres is not really going to help a lot, is it?

      1. The fact if they gained anything is not really relevant in my opinion. That is just a small detail. Ofcourse Mercedes had the opportunity to make 1000km’s in their current car more then their fellow competitors, so one could say that’s not fair. But the win in Monaco has not much to do with it.

        What is interesting is that all parties must have known the possible uproar this might bring in the paddock and thus they (Pirelli, Mercedes, FIA) would make sure beforehand that everything would be legal. So now it’s strange that the FIA is making this statement. Surely one would suggest that they have a written agreement.

        It all depends on when and what Pirelli asked the FIA, and to what the FIA gave permissions for. Apparently now the FIA is saying it didn’t give permission for what Pirelli/Mercedes did. But one can be sure that Pirelli/Mercedes only did things they knew/thought they had permission for.
        So the question is what is the difference between what Pirelli/Mercedes thought they had permission for and what the FIA thought they had given permission for.

        So using Joe’s words “It will be interesting to see what happens next”

  35. I was wondering if you had any information on whether there was an FIA representative at the test? Lauda is claiming there was. If so that would, I think, put paid to what was said by the FIA about them not knowing what was going on after original communication with Pirelli and Mercedes saying a test was possible.

  36. THE CAST: Bernie E, Jean T, Ross B, Paul H, Dr H (otherwise known as Dr. Evil) Stefano D, Eric B
    …….
    Jean T: what do mean we gave you permission? I know we sent you a form in triplicate but just because you filled it in properly doesn’t mean it’s ok. Get real! It takes us 2 months to do anything F1 wants.
    Paul H: Well we did. Stuff you anyway our customer is FOM, isn’t that right Bernie?
    Bernie: Maybe
    Paul: thanks, a nod is good as a wink
    Bernie: Possibly
    Paul H: Anyway we wanted to check our 2014 tires seeing as the bloody FIA is too slow to give us a contract!
    Jean T: Merde! I wanted Michelin all along – you are a load of perfidious anglais.
    Bernie: Maybe. Maybe not
    Dr Evil: Pirelli your tires are shit, and are the reason we don’t yet have world domination!
    Paul H: well cars have wheels and tires too Helmutt: not just not illegal diffusers, wings, engine maps, wheel hubs….(reals out an exhaustive list….)
    Ross B: Thanks Paul – good idea, we enjoy our heterosexual relationship with Pirelli so I will see to it now (hello…hello is that you Nikki?).
    Ross B. Yes that’s all good – see you in Canada Paul, bye darling.
    Eric B: Merde!That’s not fair! RoGro broke the car again! I don’t have the money to fix it….hang on… yep the cheques in the mail. Honest. What about Michelin anyway?
    Jean T. You bastard! Don’t give the game away! Call yourself a Frenchman!
    Paul: don’t worry Eric we will pay.
    Eric B: Really? , grande, err, manifique ….err will you pay for le gas?
    Bernie E: Maybe, it depends
    Jean T: You English Batard will pay for this! We will fine you US$ 100Million
    Paul H and Ross B: who do think we are, McLaren?
    Jean T: Yes. Avale mes couilles grosse pute!
    Bernie E: Possibly, let’s wait and see.
    All: stunned silence for 10 seconds at this linguistic burst
    Stefano D: Is e excellent espresso Paula! I vote e Pirelli next year a.
    Ross B: Me to. Great tires.
    Eric B: Paul we will donate you a car – you can ‘ave RoGro’s one. Only a few kilometres and never properly driven. Just pay our creditors…
    Paul: Not likely Eric! Mercedes pay us. Oh woops I can’t believe I said that. Maybe I didn’t perhaps I was talking to myself?
    Bernie E: Possibly not. What?
    Paul H: Oh Well Ross baby where are we going to test?
    Stefano D: Where we always testa. On our Tracka you know Paula we always do it there every week. Somebody even e photographed us!
    Jean T: I didn’t hear that…
    Stefano D: I said where we….oh err Cazzo!
    Dr Evil: Das ist mir scheißegal the tires are shit. Look Todt Du verdammtes Arschloch, what are going to do? The big boss says unless you agree we will withdraw from all of the lands won….err I mean tracks. Unless it’s our own track and we make all the rules.
    Ross B: suits us. F’ off. Come on Stefano I promoted you when you were just the cleaner: we will share all the data we get. Not that we will get any of course nod nod wink wink. I am just off to have a word with Max…he knows all best clubs.
    Jean T: Dr Marko sir, when the teams said that its best to put the right tire on the left wheel you are still meant to go forwards not backwards. I haven’t got he piece of paper here but I am sure about it. Because Michelin told me.
    To be continued…..soon

  37. Joe, sorry if this has been asked and dealt with (I couldn’t see it after cursory look). I read, but didn’t hear, Mr Brawn say that it was obvious M-B were hanging around because they hadn’t packed up their gear. But did they rebuild their cars straight after the race or were the cars run without? If they were rebuilding their cars then this might not have raised many eyebrows.

    Perhaps a key issue here is what sort of updates M-B were able to test, if any. Clearly the value of the test may be less if the tyres used behaved in a way they didn’t expect or differently to what they had used at the race.

    What different set-ups were they able to run? What type of set-ups did Pirelli ask them to run?

    Only M-B will know the answer to these questions and presumably in time will the FIA when it examines the issue from different angles.

    Until then, there’s a lot of “the blind leading the blind” commentary going on.

  38. I see this as Politicking – this is “Good Ole French FIA” reasserting it’s own deviousness for one or more of this lot :-
    – Increasing it’s own publicity as it’s been lacking for a long time.
    – Manoeuvring for a French Tyre manufacturer ( Michelin ) They currently supply Audi in WEC so have some knowledge of newer Lower Aspect Ratio tyres (but not the F1 power / weight – therefore they could fairly quickly introduce their own Michilin Lower Aspect Ratio tyre ( closer to a road car as well – teams may also prefer this as at the moment a massive amount of suspension is in the 1970’s Bernie shape tyres ) – therefore loads of games to be played here and keep the name MICHILIN in the public eye. ( Sheesh that would keep tyres in the Public eye !)
    – FIA can simply use this oppertunity of a Kangaroo Court to fine Merc as it used to in the old days. ( I can see Pirelli telling the FIA to shove a fine where the sun doesn’t shine.)

    Yes, Merc derived some data benefit but nothing really that it doesn’t already have in it’s data banks. Oh ! It was good without the Politics but it never lasts !

    Joe – Thanks for your quality and depth of knowledge.and your analysis of situations is simply ( As the French like to say ) “Superbe”

  39. Okay, you can throw stones at me but THIS is why I love F1. No matter how dull or exciting racing is in the front, the background intrigues makes it all too interesting. (So, in fact, it’s very much like a very loud Brazilian soap opera).

    I personally disapprove of DRS-rules, KERS-rules (not the devices themselves but the rules controlling them), the new tyres, the constant clamping down on technological advancements.

    I do get my race fixture elsewhere, too (ERC, WRC, WEC, sometimes WTCC), but the politics here are just fascinating.

    Proof again that F1 is not governed by lesser-royalty ladies in the English countryside (that’s why it works on a global level at all).

  40. Waiting until all this comes out in the wash.

    Pirelli may have insisted all data logged from the testing be handed over and wiped.

    Pirelli may well have run multiple test compounds without telling Mercedes which were which and without telling Merc after the fact which one(s) they might use in the future.

    Pirelli will surely have wanted the Merc cars to run in the same setup used for the GP in order to compare the future tyres with the current tyres.

    Pirelli may well have contacted all the teams about potentially testing the future tyres but on terms Ferrari and Red Bull were unhappy with (see above?).

    Pirelli might have simply drawn a team name out of a hat and had that choose they they talk to Mercedes first.

    That said, whilst it wasn’t entirely covert, the general radio silence over the duration of the test is somewhat unusual, especially given that Hamilton is a prolific tweeter. One can’t help wondering if he was told to keep silent on the matter.

  41. Dear Joe,

    I work about two hundred meters east from Montmeló race track. You can clearly hear F1 cars when outdoors, unlike any other type of car. I could clearly noticed an F1 car for a few days after the latest Spain’s F1 GP; a lot of people must have noticed that including people working at Montmeló.

    It’s quite bizarre the timing of this controversy. Could it be Red Bull trying to destabilize Mercedes as they seem to have a winning car finally? Red Bull seem to fail to realize that F1 is a sport after all, sometimes you win sometimes you lose. Bitter losers!

    All the best,

  42. Now that Gary Hartstein is no longer an FIA employee it would be interesting to get his view of this situation.

    To me it looks like the invisible finger has written. It looks almost completely political.

    If my suspicions here are correct then there must have been some other testing going on by another tyre company capable of supplying F1 tyres. Someone must have seen it.

    The 2014 tyres will need to be very different, transmitted torque will be a lot higher, wheel-spin will be a problem, tyres may well need to be bigger than the current size.

  43. Of course permission for the test may have been given by fax, they seem to pop up unexpectedly sometimes. (Nothing wrong with that Joe? :-))

    1. Good question.

      Did Michelin shy away from tendering last time for purely financial reasons or because the way Max’s FIA treated them (e.g Indy 2005, tyre shape rulings mid-season)?

  44. All a (manmade) storm in a tea cup. FIA said only changes for safety reasons…. So Pirelli change the belts only, the belts suspected of causing delamination, to fix the “safety problem”. But if they just show up at Montreal with a bad set of hybrid 2012/13 tires (AKA Indy 2005), then we get no race and lots of pi*sed off punters. So what to do? Run them on the hardest chassis on the 2013 tires. They did. So the FIA’s own words of “for safety only” can be used by a clever lawyer to hang them with there own words. It was all done for safety and if the FIA says otherwise they look dumb because they are supposed to promote safety and would be arguing for Pirelli to take risks going to Montreal. How good would it look if a tire failed and threw someone into the wall and caused very serious injuries.

    Mercedes will only see the possible benefit of fewer tire delamination’s and loosing positions that way. One could argue they have already been punished this season (by the tires) so the test is an offset for that misfortune. In the end it will all be handled by lawyers behind closed doors.

  45. One thing enters the mind here , Joe .
    I presume that Michelin has been watching Pirelli getting raked over the coals trying to make tires that are very specific in design .
    If they take on the role of supplier , would they suffer the same fate , and would they be willing to risk it .

    One has to see it as a tough ask .

    I think I’m seeing this as simply , an attempt by Pirelli to get more testing into the rules .
    Now that Merc has run , all the others must have their day(s) .

  46. Now if some of the teams aren’t exactly happy with the tyres they have been supplied with ( to Mr B. Ecclestone specification ) (as it is now) AND now if Mr Todt has already discussed the possibility of Michilin coming back into F1 and what the terms would be ( A better deal for the FIA ) then supposedly what’s to stop the FIA stating that next years supplier will be Michilin ………. and just when a certain Mr B. Ecclestone is about to go into Court ?? – At the end of the day ………. All the teams would cave in and accept it because they have not bothered to build a proper Management Body for themselves – Just how stupid are they ?????

    A $1.5 Billion Business allowed to be managed by outside persons the likes of B. Ecclestone and FIA – These F1 Guys may be superb Engineers but they are crap at running a business longterm.

  47. Oops $1.5 Billion is only approx what the teams Budgets are – now if we add all the revenue from trackside advertisements / TV / tickets / circuits / etc I suppose we are into $3 Billion or …. Joe you will know the real yearly figure.

  48. Rob Ducker, excellent cameo. No mention of rewinding of speedometers from 1000 km to under 100 km by Mr E, ” like in the old days in Bexley!” (Just my little joke, Ray)

  49. I think many who are up in arms about what they read on this subject from Joe should read this quote from the blog rules.

    “For the avoidance of all doubt, the word blog derives from the expression “web log”, which is a website maintained by an individual with regular entries on any subject the writer cares to discuss. It is not designed to be an objective news website. Thus one should expect there to be subjective opinions expressed. There are inevitably going to be people who consider that some of the posts are biased for or against a particular team and/or driver.”

    Joe “blogged”in the manner Joe wanted to “blog” on this issue. What is objective and what is subjective only Joe knows. 😉

  50. Interestingly enough, Michelin’s twitter posts have been all F1 over the past few day. Sounds like they have another strategy that would make F1 work for them.

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