The Formula 1 “media” of today

When I was starting out at Autosport nearly 30 years ago, we used to have local correspondents at most major events. There were some far-flung races at which this was impossible, so we would ring up those who had taken part and cobble together stories about what had happened. These were often published under the name of Jurgen Stiftschraube, which in German means George Stud bolt, an invented journalist. He’s still around occasionally and even today has his own Facebook page. If you look at his list of friends you will see who was in on the secret…

That was a necessary evil, but we still tried to maintain normal journalistic rules of having reliable sources and verifying stories.

These days such rules seem to be a thing of the past.

It annoys me that fans of Formula 1 who want to know more about the sport are faced by a wall of Internet clutter that makes it absolutely impossible for newcomers to know who to trust. Where do you go to guarantee that the information you are getting is from people who are experts in the business?

You can go to any bar and find someone who says that they know about F1 and will lecture you on the subject, but from where does that information come? How many of the sources of information have real connections to the sport?

Inevitably one has to rely on brand names: the BBC, AFP, Reuters, Sky and so on. These are relatively safe, but there is still no guarantee that you will learn more from them than what you see on TV. If you want to go beneath the surface a little it is hard to do. There are a number of long-established specialist F1 magazines in countries with F1 traditions. These are good for feature material, but are generally out of date before they are published, such is the turnover of news these days. Some also run websites and these are pretty solid, although even these have to rely on Jurgens from time to time, although they are not going to tell you that…

The first place most people will look these days is Google and when you do that first website that will come up is http://www.formula1.com. That might seem like a sensible place to start. There is some news, some feature material and lots of information. However, this is not really a media website. It is owned and operated by the Formula One group and so it must be seen as more of a PR resource, in much the same way as one might view the websites of the F1 teams, the Grands Prix or the FIA.

The second hit I got when I tried Google was http://www.F1news.com, which I had never heard of. It turned out to be a website that collects news written by other websites such as Sky Sports, ESPN F1 and Autosport.

The Google results give you a hint of the kind of coverage you will get almost everywhere. There are those with no access to anyone, which revamp content produced by others, and there are some that are manipulated by interested parties to get out the messages that they want F1 fans to hear.

The secret of the F1 media is that it is like a pond. If you drop a stone in the middle, the waves will radiate outwards. The middle is made up the relatively small group of reporters, most of them English. The vast majority of F1 websites have no access at all to the F1 paddock and they are simply part of the ripples on the F1 pond, taking the story from the centre and spreading it.

Being a face that F1 people recognise is vital for getting the best information. Those who ring up teams and ask questions will rarely, if ever, get past the PR people. As a result of this most websites do not bother with any journalistic norms. They just write things that they pick up elsewhere on the Internet.

Always be aware that some of the people involved in online F1 coverage are liars and fantasists, even if they have large sections on their websites telling you how good they are. Do not be taken in by names. How do you know that a website called Pitpass actually has access to a pit pass, or that a magazine named The Paddock has access in the F1 paddock? Be wary of anyone who claims to be “inside” Formula 1.

You will find endless numbers of outlets with names that suggest that they are involved with the sport, but how do you know which of these really has access to the right people in the sport? How do you know which are independent and which are PR operations rather than real news outlets?

Websites have all matter of puff about they are the best this and the best that and they swear blind that they are objective, but how do you know that is true? Anyone can write that sort of stuff on a website. Some people are so desperate to be part of the F1 circus that they will allow themselves to be used (knowingly or otherwise) as propaganda tools by manipulative folk in the centre of F1. I have known many cases when even proper magazines have given teams “editing rights” for their stories.

This happens even with some of the most established names in the business. The live race feed of one very well known racing magazine, for example, is written by two people who I have never heard of and I am entirely sure that they do not come to races on a regular basis. Thus one must assume that they provide this content from home, using TV and online information only.

And just because someone is high up in the Google rankings does not mean that they have people on the inside. These things can be manipulated.

The only way one can be sure that people are actually regular attendees is when they post pictures and write blog items about being there. Thus, it is fair to say that blogs are more likely to be trustworthy than straight news websites.

In total, including all nationalities, there are only around 300 FIA F1 permanent pass holders. There are a couple of hundred others at each race, who are accredited for the one event by the local sanctioning body. To get a “hard card” one needs to have attended the majority of the races the previous season. And that costs money.

A lot of the people with hard cards are employed by one specific publication, such as The Times, The Daily Telegraph and so on. They do not need to do much more than one story a day during race weekends and most have other jobs to do, reporting on other sports, notably football.

The country with the highest number of hard cards is the UK. This is because English is the world’s most widely used language, with over 1.8 billion users worldwide, and because F1 has long been a sport linked to the UK. Between 15 and 20 percent of the real F1 journalists are British. In terms of English-speakers there is just one fulltime American. No regular Australians. Canadians tends to be occasionals. There is a South African, who is based in Europe.

The rest of the F1 media is very Euro-centric, with Italians, Spanish, Germans and French making up most of the group. Outside Europe the biggest involvement is Brazilian, followed by the Japanese. There are a few regular Russians, occasional Chinese and a spattering of others. India and the Middle East have very little active involvement. Outlets in these countries tend to rewrite stories from the Internet, although one or two do the right thing and employ freelances.

There are not many websites in the world that pay. Newspapers and magazines are struggling and so it is not at all easy for freelance journalists to pay their way to travel the world to every F1 race. A few do it because they have access to private money but most are hardworking individuals who were trained on the specialist magazines and grew out of them.

The knock-on effect of this is that web content about F1 is far more likely to come from someone NOT involved in the sport, than it is from one of the insiders. A large percentage of the world’s F1 websites are either scavengers or are supplied by scavengers, who are trying to profit from the work of others by repackaging stories that they find on the Internet. They dress them up differently and sell the news to websites that cannot afford to get better content. These bottom-feeders rely on the relatively small number of real news sources on the inside in F1 and they often use automatic translation technology to read stories in other languages.

The most widespread of these organizations is a business called Global Motorsport Media, which is headquartered in Adelaide, Australia. GMM says that it sources content “not only from the traditional and specialist English-language media, but also from any part of the world with a media interest in the sport”. It claims that its content is “trusted and enjoyed by a truly global audience”.

A quick, but not exhaustive, survey reveals that a lot of websites use GMM, among them grandprix.com, motorsport.com, speedTV.com, autoweek.com, f1today.net, worldcarfans.com, motorsport.nextgen-auto.com, f1orbit.com, Inautonews.com, auto123.com, yallaf1.com, flagworld.com, gptoday.com and others. This means that you see the same story all over the place, but does that mean it is a real story?

GMM delivers “between 8 and 25 unique Formula 1 news articles for publication” per day.

The word “unique” is, of course, the crux of the matter. Facts and ideas are free from copyright so there is nothing to stop anyone anywhere taking a news story and rewriting it, without needing to get the permission of the author. If you don’t rewrite there are copyright questions but this is a legal minefield of vagueness.

Legal issues aside, one must always remember that regurgitating the ideas one has trawled up from somewhere else does not mean you understand the subject matter and how such a thing came to happen. There is therefore a much higher likelihood of misunderstandings, without the scavenger even realizing that they have done it. The major problem is that scavengers don’t necessarily know anything about the sport. I asked the FIA and the Australian Grand Prix if they have ever issued a Formula 1 pass to GMM, or to the man who runs it. They both said that they do not have records of any such person or organization. In the last few years several teams have asked me if I know anything about the company, because they have been unhappy about stories that have been written, so it would seem that there are few if any direct dealings.

Despite this, the company continues to sell its feeds to websites that need “wallpaper” to fill their web pages on a daily basis and it is cheaper and easier to use a scavenger rather than employing someone to scavenge for them.

None of them can afford to send representatives to Grands Prix on a regular basis (if at all).

One could argue that anyone can do the same and that if F1 freelancers sat down and did what GMM does they could take over the market. This is true, but there is also the question of time. If one is a travelling F1 journalist one cannot sit in one place all day and trawl. There are other things to be done. The stay-at-home brigade have a big advantage in this respect.

When all is said and done, F1 fans will get the media they deserve. If you know how the system operates and want to know more you will be able to find a better understanding of the sport and why things are happening. Websites survive on the number of people who view their pages.

In the end, it is your choice.

188 thoughts on “The Formula 1 “media” of today

  1. Ergo, you, Joe, club together with 2/3/4 of the genuine bloggers, freelancers and photogs you rate, create the ultimate paid-for F1 website and clean up. Simple. Cream inexorably rises to the top…

    1. But here is a very well argued essay which, en passant, explains why there are quite some obstacles to such ideas. I’d add that there is a enormous problem in gaining efficiency with scale in media, one I’ve devoted my entire adult life to.

      ” To take an example close to home for me, what happens when traditional media is really gone, and there’s nobody slogging away to provide blogging fodder for locust media types in armchairs, like me? Almost all of my own consumption is traditional media — books, news stories and such — that I am helping Amazon and Google kill. I don’t really read other bloggers much.”

      http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2013/04/03/the-locust-economy/

      also from there:

      “If you’re not willing and able to grow big, your fate is to get eaten alive by either locusts (or directly by bigger organisms) or go out of business.”

      It’s my hope one day to get a audience with Joe, to put forth my views as to the particular _structural reasons media has problems at scale, let alone getting bigger form a small outfit. I have answers, but they are systemic, and such answers as I have, I do not even write down, save in shorthand physically. Though that will change, if I raise sufficient capital. Then I will shout from the hilltops.

      That essay very neatly explains, in a generalized form, what Joe is trying to convey, as to broken and very socially dangerous dynamics in media.

  2. Makes me ashamed to be Australian…and more motivated again to subscribe to your e-mag. Just wait til I get my tax return…

    J.

    1. There are some Aussies there John. We try to get to at least a third of the calendar, but what with day jobs and all it’s a slight juggle. Hopefully our status will be upgraded to “occasional” sometime in the future. Like the blog suggests, don’t believe everything you read.

  3. Did that make you feel better Joe? Those gosh darn Australians. Almost as cunning and ‘Germanic’ as the Germans!

    I hope your ready for the onslaught. I guess this will be 200+ comments assuming it is not closed down.

    1. Oh and now that I think of it, do you happen to know the result of GMM suing Adam Parr over text in his comic book?

      Without passing ethical judgement on GMM, if what you say is true, the operator must be one smart operator.

      1. When i was young, a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away my father used to say to me, “son, don’t get mad… get even.” A small peice of advice that on the face of it seems silly but n time becomes quite elegant. It is often a teaching tool to ones trespassers.

        Now I know fathers are rarely right all the time, but occasionally they can hit the mark, possibly by accident, some of the time. I’m sure with your father, you’d feel the same way.

        But I digress… The point is this. If as you say the copyright laws are as futile and/or vague as you say and the ease of scavenging is as as simple and easy as you say, and its as profitable as you suggest then why not do a bit of getting ‘even’ with the likes of GMM and co. Place your well founded sense of journalistic integrity to one side for the briefest period of time in order to affect a greater good on the journalistic community of F1.

        Use your brand name (Joe Saward) to sell recycled GMM articles via a shameless vanilla type website. Use the profits to expand that idea with hiring of some young journalists to be ripping GMM stories and selling them to all the aboce mrntioned type bloggers and websites.

        Essentially destroy the market. Under cut the under cutters with meaningfully cheaper prices. Force GMM’s prixes so low, that their model becomes untenable. Then do something charitable or constructive with the excess money. Subsidize more quality productions. Circle of life sort of thing… You never know, you could become a very rich man.

  4. “In the end, it is your choice.” – that’s right. If you are an idiot, you deserve your destiny and the fact that you are always misinformed.

    Problem is that certain people, like you and some other guys are paying quite a lot to be FIA accredited pass holder, along with all other outlays to be on the track. This price is, again, quite high, and I’m sure that people would love to do it, but they simply cannot afford it. That doesn’t mean they are allowed to make money out of someones content, but that’s the effect of the widespread broadband access and Internet as a whole. It’s up to you who to trust.

    That’s a big opportunity – ruling out of rumor is true or not, based on your real insiders. Pay to ask a question to someone who really knows 🙂

  5. Thanks Joe. Just about every word you have written is true. As you know, I have been around for over 50 years, worked and known almost every ‘scribe’ in the F1 biz. From Gregor Grant founder of Autosport to your goodself. The days of the gathering in the Green Man after the BGP and then in the Windsor Castle on Wednesdays are long gone.the followers of F1 now get rubbish that is reclaimed and spin not a vestage of truth. I can feel your frustration, but lets both be thankful for thec good old days, we both shared. BTW Gregor was so pissed after a GP, even he ‘winged’ it. Bless him. RIP Gregor.

  6. What happens when the current genertaion of freelancers, emerging from the old specialist press, dries up (i.e. retires), then? Perhaps the future is just one long stream of Pitpass websites – which would probably suit the FOA and many of the F1 teams just fine if they can buy editing rights for stories. In this way they would (in theory) have more scope to “control the message,” as it were by simply allowing independent voices to die out.

    Wasn’t the new pit building at Spa built without windows so that media reps there could only report on the live feed transmitted to their screens? One of a number of small steps that seem quite ominous.

    Remarkable to think that a jaded Jochen Rindt once openly admitted over-revving his Cooper’s engine in 1967 just to make sure it blew up once he sensed it was beginning to choke. Would never happen today.

    1. IIRC, Rindt promptly got fired for such an admission! Roy Salvadori had apparently heard him with his (one) functionning ear.

  7. who has upset you now joe. I understand you do care for real fans but you don’t ever rant for no reason. just sick off it or what.

    1. Not at all. I felt that a full explanation would be helpful for fans. By the way, you should look up the meaning of the word ‘rant’.

      1. The same happens in the industry (music) on the reg. It’s never going to change, fair play for informing the fans, but you do mention this rather a lot.

  8. Your last paragraph has made me think… If journalists that attend races do not have the time to do what GMM does, why not start a small company/office, based in the UK, where some of you guys could have a couple of local based journalists to write down and publish exactly what you want to tell?

    It would be very fast and practical, because if the people employed are right, you could even send an audio file via email reporting the story on the fly, and the guy on the other side would do the job of putting it down to words and publishing. This would eliminate most of the time consuming issue, and can be done.

    Such a project would then result an awesome F1 news website, with only the cream of the crop. Think about that.

    By the way, I’d love to be one of the locally based to write down the stories, as I used to be a scavenger when working for the Brazilian media many years ago, before moving to the UK. 🙂

    Take care, Joe, and long live your blog.

    1. It’s a good plan in theory, but if you want to get pedantic about it – and don’t all lawyers want to get pedantic? – the terms we sign when collecting our passes prevent us from sending any recordings made in the paddock off-site for professional gain. Which technically prevents us from sending audio of interviews/media sessions for off-site transcription. I don’t think it’s the sort of thing currently being tested, but if a group of journos found a way to profit, you can bet they’d start looking very closely indeed…

      1. I believe Autosport work by sending interviews texts, as transcribed by Noble and Straw, to office chaps to fill into stories for the website.

        1. I don’t know how they do it these days. I know Johnny and Edd do a lot of interviews, I don’t know what happens after that.

      2. Hmm, if the audio is sent off-site purely to facilitate the existing job, can that be considered professional gain if there is no increment or delta in the gain part of things?

        Does look to be a classical problem of law not managing very well to apply to the state of technology.

        Or from just what you say, Kate, I think this is a restriction to protect who has broadcaster rights, so a common sense approach would be to decide that if the final; form is not audio, there is no conflict.

        I would look at a Olympus dictaphone and Nuance / Dragon dictation software. Sadly they do not do multi voice transcription, but one of Oly’s dictas is a multi track unit, and I think it quite possible to use that with separate mics to achieve the aim. Thing is would still be a bit tricky: you’d shove the dictaphone in front of your interviewer, but have two further tracks miked, your own lav, a ambient (for background removal or amb emphasis) and obviously either the inbuilt mic or a uni directional. Then you’d need to do a pass through a simple gate setup to split thew voices to two installs of the software (run under different users) at the minimum. The software is very very good even untrained, now, so allowing you at least do speak regularly to your interview subjects, it would “train” very well, I hazard. The ambient track – this is why so neat, you can get a Oly dictaphone with 4 tracks, so ambient can be in stereo and you can pan the voices on the stage if you ever wanted a mix – could be fed right into filters to get rid of background. Almost any DAW software would do this.

        But, well, sort of thing you should get someone to test a lot before risking spoiling Joe or David’s day with clutter. Happy to offer my services, LOL! 🙂

  9. Another great piece, Joe. Really enjoying your walls of text 🙂

    Finally convinced me to sign up for GP+, if only it can help to keep genuine, insightful journalism alive and defeat the mass pulp.

  10. Aside from scrabbling together the occasional amount of money to travel to local races, and viewing from the stands annually at a Grands Prix, what would be your recommendation to new journalists starting out in the sport?

    Often the websites, especially the ones that pay, provide the simplest and more effective starting points. I wouldn’t call budding journalists, or people with a huge passion for F1 ‘bottom-feeders’. They’re just doing what they need to do in order to make money from writing about the sport they love. As you said, there are only 300 permanent accredited pass-holders, so it’s not like football where it can be much easier for an aspiring journalist to buy a ticket to the game and report live, adding a few post-match interviews.

    The websites have to rely on PR releases and the TV, but that doesn’t mean that all the people that run them aren’t knowledgeable about the sport. Some may have many inside contacts. I don’t disagree that it’s obviously better for news to come from trusted and known ‘insiders’, but for people looking to get started, writing for one of the websites help to hone your writing, and provides opportunities to make contacts with other journalists, drivers and press officers alike.

    1. My advice is to do what ambitious young journalists have always done and go for it. The worst that can happen is that you can fail. If you don’t have the gumption to do that then you will never get anywhere.

  11. A large part of the market is satisfied with poor journalism. But I think there’ll always be a place for genuine journalists, although demand will be relatively small. It’s just the way it is…a few trusted voices and a lot of crap.

  12. When I discovered you, Joe, I stopped reading the tripe from those web sites you have named. What’s the point of looking further once you have the best. Between you, Sidepodcast and the official site for live timing I’m pretty satisfied with my F1 coverage. At the end of the race I get a copy of GP+ to read and life’s almost perfect.

    I dream of a perfect F1 world but that would require Mark Webber to win the Champoinship, alas a task that isn’t yours.

    1. Yep, me too, and it means I have more time to do other stuff as well!

      I don’t always agree with Joe’s views (although most of the time he is spot on) but the quality of reporting is undeniable. One only has to have read some of the BS in the comments sections of most other websites to understand the mentality of their readership. Unfortunately, I’m never too sure whether that readership can be educated by decent journalism or is beyond help …

  13. Well said.. I used to go to a few other websites, was stoked to find where you used to write and even more delighted when you started your blog.

    Some fans don’t really give a toss about what really is happening, as long as it’s a positive story for who they follow or a negative story about a team they dislike then they will read it and argue till they are blue in the face, that this site said it was true, therefore it has to be true.
    The problem with arguing back to them saying it’s a load of bollox is that usually, by the time that the truth has come out it’s in small print and some other story has broken that they can argue about.

    It also says a lot about the sad state of affairs with modern news. The key is to be first, it doesn’t matter if it’s right or not.. you have to be first. Facts and trivial matters like that do not need to be worried about.

    The truly bizarre thing in this information age is, that rather than us having more sources for news I am finding that I am relying on less because I just don’t trust the vast majority of places out there.

    So Cheers Joe for keeping us reliably informed.

  14. While I agree with the majority of your points, I fail to see what the problem is when you suggest that a certain website’s live race coverage is perhaps penned by individuals who may not be at the actual venue? What difference does it make given the wealth of information seen in the media centre is also available online?

  15. Interesting research Joe! I had been wondering about seeing this GMM and then reading a story that was taken from (often) German sources etc. I do sometimes look at those articles, but mostly try to find the original and have a look at it (although its sometimes hard to find, discrediting some of those “stories”).
    For example about the background of these new Sauber partners – where a bit of backstory was taken from the Baseler Zeitung (I think they are in one company with Blick which often has stories from Sauber or from Austria)

  16. As just an occasional reader, I found it interesting to learn Joe no longer owns grandprix.com…

      1. I have to say that I still look at grandprix.com, even if Joe is no longer there, mainly because I get stories, or hints of stories, with not much “opinion” nor any pretence that it’s “new” or “exclusive”. It’s a sort of summary of what’s going around, and as it doesn’t pretend to be anything else, is interesting for that. Of course if I want to read between the lines, I come here …

      2. I for one agree with your view about the dross found on the interweb. It is hard to know who can be trusted. I am from the old school where the banner was the beacon which is why I trust Great British broadsheets like the Telegraph and Guardian. I find I can always trust their writing on F1.

  17. Its always a search for the source code and I found mine in GP+. Thanks Joe!
    It also what you guys know about the history of motor racing that give you perspective and authenticity.

  18. It’s not just the F1 media Joe, it’s the same everywhere.

    One of the most thought-provoking write-ups I’ve seen about the whole internet media situation comes out of the world of video-games but it’s a good enough read to be transferrable to the whole of modern journalism:
    http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/ad-blocker-the-games-press-and-why-cosplay-galleries-lead-to-better-reporti

    And this too about the grand game of internet Chinese-whispers :
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/bad-linking-plagiarism-and-re-writes-how-game-journalism-is-its-own-worst-e

    I won’t even start on how rubbish science and technology journalism is, especially when controversial topics like nuclear power come up.

  19. Great article Joe much appreciated!
    While it’s true that “F1 fans will get the media they deserve” , a bit of background information from someone as experienced as yourself surely would help people discovered which media are worth anything.

  20. All true and of course the reason so many of us read your blog and others with great interest. I just completely disagree with your excuse why a ‘syndicated’ blog or news site by real hacks is unfeasible due to time constraints (or any other reason for that matter). The money the site(s) would generate from advertising and/or subscription could easily allow you to have a few up and coming journos who can write content based on your race observations etc. It is in fact the lack of understanding or interest in digital commercial opportunities that prevents this and allows others to gain a foothold in the news and content space of F1 and make a lot of money. I think there are journalists out there who try and keep a high level of quality stuff, whilst generating much needed income to provide quality stuff. For me James Allen is leading in this and we can agree or disagree all day on whether we like what he writes, how in the know he is etc. but I’m fairly sure the income from his site allows him to hire some help, improve content and help finance his race year (even if he did not have the commentating income). So it is our choice, you are right but why don’t you try and make the right choice a little more obvious is what I would say back (and yes of course writing about it is a good start!)

    1. I love people who disagree without knowing what one’s life is like. If it was possible we’d be doing it!

      1. So you are saying you have sat down with other writers, created a plan, worked out advertising income, and other stream, looked at what is needed and it concluded it could not be done? Well had I known that I would have not disagreed Joe and I stand corrected. However I do not need to understand what life is like as a traveling F1 journalist to judge the commercial opportunity, which is what I did and there are lots of examples of bloggers in sport or outside who create valuable content and create enough money to life comfortably, it might be more your choice to be the exception!

  21. Ironically, by linking to F1new.com in your piece you will be improving their Google ranking. Google will have identified your site as an F1 site, and by cross linking to another F1 site it will give it a boost.

    Alos, when testing out these searches it is best to do so in Incognito/Private Browsing mode. This is because Google gives tailored results depending on the profile it has built up for you.

    Searching for “F1 News” – I get formula1.com , BBC F1, Planet F1, SkySports, Autosport, gptoday, then F1 News and crash.net

    It’s an unfortunate reality of the Internet that these content aggregation websites proliferate, and happens for every industry. They build audience using bad journalistic practices – ie link bait headlines, unsubstantiated rumours they know people will want to believe (eg “Kobayashi to drive in Montreal instead of Massa”) and this quickly builds an audience, gets them lots of links on forums and social networking websites which in turn builds their page rank.

    I think that knowledgeable F1 fans know the difference, and know who to trust, however it’s the fringe fans, and those new to sport that are liable to get caught out by them.

    Unfortunately, Autosport’s recent decision to limit people to 30 stories a month without paying is going to exacerbate this situation. While, I can understand why they may want to move to a monetised system, and while it may indeed raise their revenue, the consequence of it is more people will be turned away from Autosport than will subscribe. This means that one of the more trustworthy sources ceases to be a source and those turned away are liable to start reading other sources. Those readers will then start polluting forums and social media with the bad information they read on the content aggregation websites.

    The only way to combat this I can think of is for the FIA (I think it owuld have to be the FIA rather than FOM as FOM would want to impose some form of editorial control) to produce a publicly available list of accredited F1 journalists with links to their website from Formula1.com – the requirements being something like “must attend races” (as an example, you will know far better than me a simple criteria for establishing the list) and in turn all websites link back to the list with a prominent link in their header.

    The only way the “proper” journalists will beat the content aggregators is by working together on this particular issue.

    1. 30 articles is not bad, until you recognize how little they’re worth . .

      I really think GP+ should let go free at random one of the prior issue’s articles, because that would genuinely draw interest. It’s fine there’s a sample issue, but with the frequency, and the variety of GP+, that would be currency of interest. People get the idea of blogs, but more as pulpits, because they pretty much are, and so far only Bob Cringely uses the word appropriately (or did) for his blog / earlier columns, which he re-purposed to sell his more involved writing.So I personally think a reworking of the GP+ site, integrating here to cross reference is what will turn the tide of people who think there’s a free lunch, or that Joe is selling what they have no idea as to the value.

  22. Hi Joe,

    After following F1 for over 39 years, I only consider three journalists to be reliable, which are Michael Schmidt ( AMuS ), Roger Benoit ( Blick ) and Joe Saward. Together with the other two persons, you have stayed yourself, all three of you are real persons, personalities with an own view, who are not afraid to spread these views. And I have two questions for you ;
    1) In your article of May 2013 about BMW and Formula 1, to me the last sentence seems to give me the idea that Sauber have a deal in place with BMW for F1 engines in three ( or after two ) years time. Can you inform me a little bit more about this last sentence ? 2) Can you give me an emailadress or telephone number of Mike Doodson ? Thanks in advance, best regards

      1. Hi Joe,

        Thanks for your reaction and answer. About my question concerning Mike Doodson, it is about Piquet Sr I have information and a question for him.
        We spoke on that subject in Monaco ( or Spa ) 2009 if I remember correctly,
        during my questions I had for you on Piquet Sr. Thanks in advance for trying, best regards

    1. Get yourself a Copy of the Book “Who works in F1”, the permanents are marked in Red.

      Anyway, it is not common, that an Event Organizer, no matter if F1 or a Madonna Concert, hands out to the public the Accreditation Lists of Media attending an Event.

  23. Totally agree Joe, but am I imagining it or is this a repost of a piece from about two years ago? I remember something very similar, mentioning GMM. No harm to repost such a quality and important piece but it should IMO be identified as such.

  24. Joe – another good piece. You will know that you are preaching to the converted of course. It took me a while to find your blog – and GP+ – and you are my first, and mostly only, port of call when I want to see whats happening in the F1 world. Although I do like Gary Anderson on the BBC as well for the technical input. Most of the rest is just background noise and I just don’t have the time to be bothered with it.

    I blame 24 hour news – haven’t they copped on yet that people don’t have the time to watch paint dry? Proper news should be done by proper journalists, who sift through the junk and bring us the potted facts. And some background comment if it is relevant.

    Now – off to check my email, facebook and twitter – Like, Comment, Tweet, Share, Post, Tweet, Like, Share, Share, Post, Tweet….!

  25. hmm, i read your blog and page from James Allen. Aside from that, i check live feed from Autosport for testing, and read espn’s F1 web page (i just google F1 live and i get the link for it). I’ve been following F1 for 17 years, and that following being borderline opsessive, so i just cant stomach the shit some websites feed us with.

    1. I used to rate James Allen very highly but his links to the FIA have made him a little toothless, perhaps; still much better than the average, though.

      I also stopped reading the comments pages because of the high percentage of BS attracted (probably) by his commentating profile.

  26. Joe,

    Great piece.

    I think one issue that you did not address is the advent of Twitter. I think discerning fans of the sport can follow the right people in the sport, including drivers, team principals, engineers, and ‘real’ F1 journalists, to have an authentic view of the sport in a way that wasn’t previously possible.

    Unfortunately, I would imagine that this further frustrates the true F1 journalist because he or she no longer gets to report news — the news makers are delivering the news directly to the fan.

    All in all — these are not good times for F1 journalists. And that is a shame.

    Best,

    Timothy

    1. I am not a twitterer so am speaking from a position of little knowledge……

      Following Lewis Hamiltons publication of a telemetry trace how much freedom do you think team insiders have in their twitter feeds ? what level of cencsorship do you think the teams own PR machines have?

      Cheers

      Martin

    2. Twitter is not journalism there is no filter so while a fact may be newsworthy it is really propaganda as it comes from a biased source.

      Don’t let the Twits fool you.

  27. I suppose it’s too much to hope that GMM scrape this story and ship it out as news for all of their suppliers’ readers to see where their F1 “news” comes from?

    When I saw the website you mention as second on the google list, I wondered if it was any link to the classic magazine which “put the fun back in formula one” although I suspect not, I find myself longing to read a column from Eff One and wonder what he’d make of modern F1, whether there’s even be anything interesting to write about. I was quite young when I read F1News so I don’t recall, were you involved in that publication Joe?

      1. Out of curiosity Joe, who was AtlasF1’s founder? I was a subscriber since 1995 (so now an Autosport subscriber) and I never really knew who owned/operated the site.

  28. Have you ever thought that may be this 15-20% predominantly British contingent makes life extremely difficult for journalists of the countries that read GMM?
    If the F1 press accreditations were given according to the popularity and viewers in the countries, then there would be a lot more Australian, Indians, Chinese etc. As a matter of fact, people often get rejected accreditation for a nation wide media and then they read some agricultural local British newspaper has a correspondent.
    I.e. Turkey has the population of the UK and has been growing fast even amid political crisis, but is it easy for Turkish journalists to get accredited? No. And then you ask why there’s no one on the grand stands… most local journalists are just translators because of this nice scheme. FOM lets in only people they know very well, mostly from the old EU countries. This is why people buy GMM stories, not because they don’t want to go to the races or can’t find money for it.

    1. You earn press accreditation. You don’t get given it. If you want to do it, go out and make it happen. This is what people do.

      1. So if you’re representing millions of viewers or readers isn’t enough to earn your press accreditation? I thought they were given on your ability to reach more people and report correctly what happens. It’s very interesting how British journalists are so much better at this!? May be Turks, Russians or Chinese can’t reach enough people or they always lie about what happens on track? May be they can’t tell the difference between Ferrari & McLaren?
        UK ratings are getting something along 5-6mln viewers at best, which is in no way anywhere near representing 15-20% of all F1 viewers and because of that, many local magazines/newspapers are having problems getting accreditation which results in them hiring the services of British journalists like you. And then you tell them don’t pay GMM, pay me!
        Surely if the % of old school journalists drop and people from Eastern EU, Asia or Americas start coming to the races, then GMM might lose their followers and surprisingly F1 might start filling up the grand stands in 20mln megacity Shanghai?

        1. It is not my choice who gets passes and who does not get passes. If you have a trillion readers, good for you. Apply for a pass and you can join the big game. If you cannot do it, don’t whine about those who can. Make it happen!

          1. I know you don’t choose who gets in or not, but claiming it’s so easy to get started isn’t correct. You’ve started at Autosport long time ago, which had had its image already built. You were basically guaranteed to go reporting.
            You can’t compare your situation and that of many of the old guard to the situation new age websites are experiencing. There are many very hard working and very smart young or not so young journalists who don’t get the chance to go to any F1 race they want.
            But you know, as they say – the market is always right. Which applies for both cases, the one I presented and the one you present in your article.

            1. So how come there are youngsters doing it today? You set your own horizons… And your own limits.

  29. All that aside, it seems to me if you had some talent writing plus motorsport interest its just like a business. Invest your time and money travel the world and at the end of the day you might have a business with a financial return that you enjoy doing.

  30. Apart from you Joe, the other F1 writer I enjoy the most is Mike Lawrence. Being a motorsport historian he is able to provide unique insight and perspective regarding current F1 matters. He is absolutely brilliant.

  31. I used to visit one of these other websites quite regularly until I realised they reported from afar, never visiting the races. That’s why I come here Joe, you are on a different ‘planet’.

    BTW I also follow a number of ‘horses mouths’ (drivers, team members, TV pundits etc.) on Twitter and it provides a really interesting insight. Actually, I’d quite like to see you expand your tweets beyond those you use to promote your publication and blog. For example, I quite liked the approach of @f1kate and one or two others who provide a bit of colour and informality from inside the paddock (although Kate seems to have disappeared from Twitter these days). A few years ago I particularly enjoyed the informal tweets of those trying to get back from a long haul Grand Prix after Eyjafjallajökull erupted in Iceland.

  32. Bee in your bonnet Joe?!

    It’s not pretty but it’s how the modern internet works…

    You create F1-News.com and a load of pages dedicated to drivers/teams etc.
    You copy and rejuggle old content so it seems vaguely unique.
    You let Google etc spider your website
    You place a load of links across old blogs with relevant link text
    You continue rewriting and posting new stories and content
    You slowly get more and more followers.
    Lastly, tailor you content to what people want, get them coming back more and more often and cash in on the ad revenue.

    I know of one such site (not F1) that generates over £250k year in ad revenue simply using this model. I also know a ‘news’ company in the UK that employs small teams to rewrite other people’s content and place it on their own website.

    Dirty stuff.

  33. Joe,

    Hope all is well. Loving the blog and GP+ goes from strength to strength.

    Interesting piece and yet again reminds me why I read your blog. For me, it is about the politics and subtle details that I will never see as I am not at the races but you clearly do and are willing and able to post about.

    As for the other websites that are simply recycling other people’s work and/or fabricating stories for web traffic, regrettably this is not unique to F1 and as you say, the choice is ultimately ours as we are not forced to click on the sites and read them.

    I will continue to ponder and look forward to your next insight.

    All the best
    Anoop

  34. Fascinating article. Long time follower, recent GP+ subscriber, and first time commenter. There are some debatably controversial comments in here which I am sure some keyboard warriors will pick on and through the wonders of modern technology, will make baseless, faceless and wildly accusatory comments so I thought, especially after the comments issue of a few weeks ago, I’d would just share my support. Thank you.

      1. seems pretty clued up, and spills a lot of news before anyone else. Or maybe he’s a full of crap.

          1. Judge 13 may or may not be on the inside in F1, but he certainly has enough contacts on the inside to get the scoop on a lot of F1’s goings on. Along with this site, his is a must for any F1 fan.

            1. TJ got one idea right by agglomerating a bunch of voices who were blogging out of their own passions. I like that idea, though you might second it to a “fan voice” site. But if Joe, a established reporter, is crying out for more competition, and the only website mentioned favorably in this discussion is a brand new indy site, then there’s the whole problem altogether. does it not start making you think that F1 is media hostile, that there is something improper in the way it all is arranged? start with cost of wifi access, lack of hotels or any travel help, when a warm body on a desk pulling strings might be the only cost for a reporting entourage . . . . my first move would be to take proper care of attending journalists who can be bothered to get to the races consistently. You might get a few more, then. Why is there not more serious coverage in the big name press, when the sums are so significant to local areas / munis?

              On a bigger take, this I reckon is why too much money sits in private funds. If this was a quoted outfit, people would sell the stock when they looked closely at how busted is the media interface for a sport that is wholly dependent on media exposure.

      2. I asked, in his comments, if he actually went to the races, as he writes like he does. My post never go posted; I think my question was answered. Having said that, he does post a lot of good videos and has some interesting historical posts.

        1. The impression I get is that he only goes to a few, plus some of the testing sessions. However, he seems to have been able to form some partnerships with others who have access to useful information.

          I like his site as you get the gossip quickly and I generally agree with his opinions. However, you can see that his sources aren’t right at the heart of the sport. He seems to have friends in Williams and Red Bull but away from there seems to rely on picking up from other media.

          I personally suspect he is one of the people Joe is having a pop at which is a shame as I think he has some good ideas which just need polishing to make the site a very worthwhile resource.

          1. I am not having a pop at him. I don’t even know the site. I am taking a pop at everyone who is conning their readers. That is all. If the readers are happy to be conned then that is their choice.

            1. I guess this is a problem all over journalism though. Why else would people by the Sun, the Star and the Mail? They are in effect conning their readers but the people who take those papers seem to lap it up.

              I think those intelligent enough to appreciate the sort of stories you write will gravitate here, those not so fortunate are probably better off on the other sites anyway – would you really want them cluttering up the comments?

  35. Who is the one fulltime American?

    Thought provoking column, but that is a standard feature from Mr Saward and the GP+ crew

  36. Hello Joe. Do you know the Finnish news paper Turun Sanomat and his F1-reporter Heikki Kulta? And what do you think about the German Internet page motorsport-total.com?

  37. Joe, I have a recollection of a piece you did for Autosport following an ETCC round in Sweden. From memory it seemed to focus on the state of hire cars and the trip back to the airport with one car looking like it had been pebble dashed, the variety of motorsport coverage gives insight and can put things into context. For me it is essential that F1 reporters and journo’s have a wider knowedge base as I fear the F1 circus has a tendency to ..

    a-beleive its own hype
    b-get it’s head stuck up its own b*ckside

    Thanks for the ongoing efforts

  38. A good article Joe.

    I found your website/GP+ amongst the mass of sites and magazines because I recognized your name from your Autosport days – glad I did.

    Between the Autosport website/magazine and your site/GP+ – which provides better analysis and a more detailed view – everything gets covered. Most of what else is out there does seem to be regurgitated.

  39. I happen to agree with you Joe. Completely.

    I- have aspirations to one day have some involvement in the F1 Media. However, I refuse to do it by getting a story, editing it and passing it off as my own as so many websites do.

    I read Autosport, this website, James Allen, BBC. That’s all. I think Pitpass is a pile of garbage and I actively dislike “pretend websites”.

  40. Great post Joe, I looked up Jurgen Stiftschraube on facebook and checked out his friends, recognised every name, including your good self.

    It is difficult to sort the wood from the trees following F1, but you have always, from your early Autosport days till now, been a reliable source of factual information.

    Iain T

  41. Nice article and I finally have a good explanation of why most F1 news websites seem to post (almost) the same stories. And why if I really want to read something new there are only a few blogs that write original stories with original views.

    What I do wonder though is there any new blood coming in the ranks of professional F1 reporters? (Some names we could look out for in the future)

  42. I agree with you again Joe, I seem to do that alot not just because it’s you but because you make sense. It’s not just F1 where this happens, it’s all over the place, it’s what I call lazy Journo’s, even my local so called news paper does it.

    As an example as if we need one is the Newsnow web site, you can use the links on any subject story and see word for word the same things many times over on different web sites.

    Keep up the good work and thanks for your hard work.

  43. Very good piece. There are only a few websites I go on from the most respected journalists for news and opinion.

  44. I think at the end of the day it must be a case of “let the reader beware”, like in most other things in life one must exercise some critical analysis and do some work for oneself determining who you are taking your news from. Us readers have a part to play in this, it is our responsibility to ourselves to make sure we are not being fed poor information, this applies to every subject out there, not just F1.

    This is not a quick or easy thing to do, but if you really are interested in the sport, one should be able to start to distinguish the hacks form the real thing after a little while.

  45. I recently subscribed to GP+ and will probably renew when the time comes.

    The factor that prompted me to subscribe – well there was more than one – was listening to the Sidepodcasts. The Sidepodcasts are insightful and factually-oriented. The stories of travelling to the races add a bit of fun, as well as understanding. And Sidepodcast hosts are good too by the way. I inferred that the mag would be likewise informative and I was right.

    Here is a small anecdote about how some people seem to make money from F1, without the effort/expense of going to the races.

    I used to, occasionally, read one F1 website that is basically a news aggregator. I got fed up with the intrusive adverts it carried so I disabled JavaScript. The website then sulked and told me I needed that functionality enabled. Without JavaScript enabled, of course, the adverts didn’t work properly.

    I cannot recall the website’s name, but it was almost certainly one of those that does little more than list hyper-links, to external sites, as they become available. The website was laden with adverts. This is a prime example of people generating revenue from the work of other people.

  46. Let’s skip the opinions:

    At least two people told me they read all my comments . .

    F1 Media (GP+ excepted) in a desperate state?

    C’mon, I that’s shirley Q.E.D.! 😉

  47. Hello Joe,

    Don’t forget Christian Tortora, a French journo that has been covering F1 for french-canadian media since the late 70s to this day. As yourself, he hasn’t missed too many GP in the last 30 years.

    Very insightfull piece, I love your blog. You are my primary source of F1 info, along with selected regular media.

    Keep up your good work, stay away from trolls…

    1. Christian has not been around much for the last few years. I’ve only seen him a couple of times.

      1. Really ?!? The TV set up at RDS (French Cable Channel, Sports only, rights holder for F1 in Québec) has us believe that Torto is on site at every GP. Your article makes even more sense if Tortora is commenting from his living room… Thanks Joe.

  48. To use an analogy it’s a bit like fast food and Michelin starred restaurant, not everybody values or can afford quality being because of lack of time or money. Your value proposition is premium and therefore targeted to a niche and it will remain so due to the segmented nature of the audience and customers in general. Content aggregators are part of the internet landscape and your competitive environment.
    The quality of your work is valued by all of your readers but the irony is that people who don’t mind about good journalism won’t read this post, neither will it be used by aggregators 😉
    You don’t need to be defensive with things that are outside of your control. You are premium and the success of GP+ proves it.
    Keep on the great work Joe. You are certainly one of the few 3 Michelin “Tyres” F1 journalist out there.

  49. Add aut*week to the list of offenders — having started including articles by Sy|t since earlier this year, a couple of weeks ago they started including G*M content, although they still take Adam Cooper pieces too.

  50. Oh no! You mean I can’t believe everything I read on the internet?

    Seriously, the thought that I take away from your post is that most of the teams and a good number of the serious reporters are British. I find this troubling in a way (no offense, please) since the British GP is struggling, and I understand that Germany is also. France has nothing, and many of the other European countries are not very profitable.

    The races are going to countries now with lots of money, and not a very knowledgeable following.

    Is this a sustainable business model?

    Thanks for your blog — it is great.

    Rich

  51. “You can go to any bar and find someone who says that they know about F1 ..”
    Maybe, but in the USA he’ll be a computer geek, and he’s talking about the uses of a particular keyboard button.

  52. Excellent article, Joe. It’s a widespread problem. Even when voting for the UK Government, I find it nearly impossible to find facts (presented without bias) on which to base my decision.

    Your point that you never know who’s behind even quite prominent websites is aptly demonstrated by the Paul Kimmage (cycling journalist) Defence Fund debacle – http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14498/Feature-The-many-questions-about-the-Kimmage-defence-fund.aspx.

  53. I think the insinuation that one needs to have attended lots of Grand Prix recently to write about F1 properly is a poor one. You don’t need to go to Grand Prix to know a lot about Formula One.

    To me it sounds like you want more people to visit your blog Joe. The way F1 is reported worldwide is changing, it is becoming more instant and the fans want info immediately rather than waiting for a long winded article on the matter. It’s the modern world and rather than the younger generation having to stick by the old rules perhaps it is time the older generation of F1 journos sped up a bit and got into the new world.

    All opinions of course.

    1. The problem with many of the people who think they know a lot about Formula 1 is that they don’t even know how much they don’t know. I can say this with authority because I worked my way up through the ranks and took many years to understand how it all worked. I got to know people and I made mistakes and learned from them. You can sit at home and read a lot about the sport, but does that teach you about the way that it operates? How do you know that what you are reading is not horseshit? You don’t. You are not qualified to make that assessment. Sitting at home, do you have the ear of the people on the inside? Do you know how they think? Who you can trust? Of course you do not, you cannot hope to have that kind of relationship. You can sit at home and have your opinions and you can dream that one day you will somehow be transported into the front line and be part of some nebulous new order.

      The bad news is that the next generation of F1 reporters is already out there, trying to make it at the sharp end, where it matters. You need to go racing and you need to open your mind.

      You also do not understand this blog. I have mentioned many times that I don’t care about the numbers. I am not doing this to make money, I am doing it to try to bring the sport closer to the fans, to educate and entertain. But I cannot help those with closed minds.

      1. This is all very well, Joe, but I think what Laura is getting at is this: what the average Formula One fan WANTS to know is the basics; how the sport operates, who runs it, whatever, is not primarily of interest. I’m not having a go (and as a former editor of a now defunct ‘home run’ F1 site – GMM supplied – which you did have a go at a couple of years ago, I find myself agreeing with you to a surprising level) but you are looking at this from the inside-out. Your work is impeccable, on the whole, and interesting to me – and, while you may believe otherwise, 40 years of watching the sport, reading everything I can, investing in a colossal library of tomes on F1 and other forms of motorsport does give me some knowledge of what goes on – but there are parts that I skip over. I, and others, can never claim to know what you know, but how much of that is of interest to the ‘man in the pub’? Laura has a point: F1 needs to wake up to the internet, to the fact that the youngsters of today are geared towards having the news, and now, in short soundbites.

        1. I don’t disagree that F1 needs to wake up the Internet. The bad news for the amateurs is that when it does they will not get seals of approval and will lose whatever imagined credibility they have.

    2. You do know this older generation journo puts out an approx. 90 page Emagazine with professional colour photography on average 6 hrs after the Grand Prix right? Not quick enough for you, should it be 3 hrs? The majority of internet drivel you read has a similar amount of research to your comment.

  54. A typically well-researched and reasoned article Joe.

    Oddly enough in those ‘innocent’ days before e-mail and the internet the sheer difficulty of getting information from one side of the planet to the other (aka the Autosport office!) was almost self-regulating on the matter of accuracy. Now, as you rightly say, pretty much anyone can set themselves up as a ‘journalist’ in any field and pass off their own views as gospel.

    Sometimes the ‘good old days’ were exactly that…

  55. I don’t understand why you periodically feel the need to go on these rants bashing people who you must on some level feel threatened by. Pretty sure anyone with half a brain can sort the junk from the good stuff.

    1. There is clearly rather a lot you do not understand. Firstly, go and find out the meaning of the word “rant” as you clearly do not understand that. The article is anything but a rant. It is a very measured explanation about what happens, without any real emotion involved. Secondly, I do not feel threatened by anyone who sits at home and makes it all up. If people try to come to F1 and make it, I am always willing to help them (if they prove they are worth helping) because we need a new generation of reporters in the future. If you don’t understand that I am sure that some of the people I have helped over the years will happily explain to you. Thirdly, you may (or may not) have been around for a while and may know this stuff, but you do not seem to understand that not everyone has the same level of awareness about how it all works.

      Given your lack of understanding in these areas perhaps it is better not to write in and make statements that do not stack up.

  56. The things listed in your piece have forced me to also go to Twitter for information. Of course the team accounts give colored information and so does the FIA and the drivers/mechanics and other team personnel. But it is interesting and put together you do get some more information. But most important are the journalists that are actually there (for instance they provide pictures they took) or you can even sometimes see them walking around on the BBC/Sky/RTL/Sport1 feeds or even present on them (actually the only reason I do trust u are there regularly is because I see u lurking around sometimes 😉 ). So next to some of those BBC/Sky websites and of course your blog. Twitter has become a major part of my news gathering (especially during the weekend).

    Last year I did have a subscription to your GP+ magazine but didn’t get to reading everything all the time so therefore I have renewed.

    Would you be interested in a coörporation with people that can’t (yet) visit the races but do want good information to get out. These people then can help getting your word out. They could carry out all the mundain activities of running the website and you and your fellow journo’s can provide the stories on the go.

    Just think of it! No more comments to process yourself! 😉

    1. No. I have not had time to study all of them and it would not be fair to highlight some and not others.

  57. Maybe a bit besides your point, but a lot of Internet journalism is ‘parroting’. As you grow older, you learn how to distinguish real news from just talk.

    As for F1/motorsports, I read one for the quick news, I read your blog for the in-depth analysis and background, and there are a couple of sites (I will not promote them here) that also give well written and thought-through reports and opinions of journalists/former drivers, that are good to read.

    Keep up the good work, Joe, I think you have hundreds/thousands of readers that do appreciate you.

  58. Analysis of the progress of the Ecclestone bribery case will separate the journalistic men from the boys. It will be intriguing to see how the fanboys deal with this. They will most likely end up cutting and pasting swathes of J.Saward prose.

  59. Thanks for saying so much better than I could the problems with modern media.

    You would hope a true fan would be able to filter their sources simply by who gets it right and wrong, as certain outlets mentioned here so often get it wrong.

    Sadly, that doesn’t always seem to be the case.

    Thanks for being there. I envy your access, but I also realize it is a sacrifice to spend weeks on the road in distant lands.

  60. I like this blog and value your opinions above those written on most other F1 websites. But this sounds pretty bitter and perhaps a bit to black or white?

    Your opinion seems to be: people who don’t attend races should shut up because they know nothing about the sport. Is a journalist credible? Just ask him how many races he’s attended! Like that’s the only reference.

    For instance your remark about a popular website where two people provide live coverage from home. What’s so bad about sitting at home behind (probably) two or thee monitors with live timing, world feed, pit cam feed and on-board cam feeds and piecing together live coverage from that? What makes it so much better to do that live coverage in a cramped media center behind a single-screen laptop? The background sounds of cars going around?

    I see your point when it comes to news – at least the journalistic kind of news, not the hard-facts news which can just as well be reported on from home. You’re not going to be any better reporting who’s on pole from the track than from home. And as for the silly-season news? I think people are quite capable of judging websites for their credibility.

    1. I have explained all these points already. The point is that you are being conned. If you are happy with that then fine…

      1. Conned in what way? Not getting accurate coverage, or their suggestion that they’re on track? That latter I can’t judge, because I’m not exactly sure which website you mean.

        For me, I couldn’t race less if a reporter is on track of not, just as long as the coverage is good. I’ve seen some excellent and insightful race coverage done from behind a desk, opposed to some quite bad on-track coverage. In the Netherlands we’ve had a race commentator who used to always be on track (until a few years ago), yet continuously succeeded in missing or misinterpreting important actions on track. Right now, we have duo-commentators sitting behind a desk in Amsterdam, who are usually much better at spotting important race developments. No guarantees there…

        1. You can read what you like and believe what you want. I’m simply trying to help fans get through the clutter and bullshit.

          1. Hi Joe,

            I appreciate that. And let it be said that I regularly visit this site to ‘check’ rumors red elsewhere.

            But I think you’d be better of putting your energy somewhere else. For instance, this blog is great, but there appears to be no business model behind it (none that I can see at least). Grandprix.com (of which you apparantly still own a part) show only crap-banner which I guess come in through a real time trading system, sold at sub $1 CPM prices. GrandPrix+ has great info, but could benefit from a good designer, marketing and sales to make is better and make it more profitable. I don’t pretend to know about your sources of income, but I guess some of the pain comes from the fact that you have huge travel expenses, which other sites don’t have, whereas I gues it’s safe to say that – at least from bannering and sponsoring – they make more money.

            1. If you think the news content is great, you have no idea what you are talking about. It is simple scavenging. It is written at the bottom of every story…

  61. Joe,
    In order for the quality of media to improve, in an ideal world what do you think needs to happen, either in the media, or in Formula 1, or both? There is clearly a large appetite for Formula 1 news, and a bottleneck of information coming out of the paddock. Is there a solution?

    1. The problem is not in the numbers. There are plenty of F1 writers. The problem is the unqualified wannabes who will never be more than that because they don’t want to take the risks necessary to make it happen. The Internet gives these people a voice but there is no way for people to know who is sensible and who is not. Perhaps there could be an FIA seal of approval or something along those lines to help guide fans… Who knows?

      1. Totally agree.

        Perhaps the “FIA Seal of Approval” should be your accreditation number or some such reference. It could be included with your name at the end of your articles, and would be traceable back to the FIA (or whoever issues the accreditation) for anyone who wants to verify it. If the FIA is serious about promoting good journalism, surely it would not be hard to add a page to their website listing accredited journalists. You could even add a hyperlink to your accreditation number that refers back to the FIA page.

        Any articles created by one of the journalistic ‘chop-shops’ should in theory not have accreditation, or if they did display one it would be traceable. As readers we could then decide how much we would trust the article, or not.

        Is there any association or representative body for the accredited journalists? Perhaps as a group you could work with the FIA to introduce your “Seal of Approval” idea.

  62. It’s time for F1 teams to step up and give the ‘road warrior’ journalists preferred access inclusive of photo or video content that could be included in blogs or emags to assist your livelihoods. Why would they do such a thing?

    1. Because current internet coverage of the sport is extremely amateurish salacious crap comparable to teenbeat or any gossip magazine, it’s all shock factor driven. This actually hurts the teams brand and F1 brand, Why? Because its an engineering sport full of facts and extremely interesting intelligent people and all that is overlooked in favour of soap opera drama. This multi billion dollar business is neglecting planting the necessary seeds to create loyal future customers. Why does it seem the majority of F1 enthusiasts are an aging demographic? What is being ‘left on the table’ here due to the Teams neglect of their individual brand (yes the teams need to protect and assure their collective interests within the sport, Bernie isn’t and won’t be around when these chickens come home to roost)

    2. Because if they fail to protect/support/ensure professional scribes they will disappear and all that will remain will be the Dreck, which is an insult to the sport and in business terms will devaluethe brand.

    The teams really are complicit in allowing their massive investment to be squandered through a dis functional amateur internet media presence. Maybe this has already contributed to manufacturers pulling out questioning what they really are getting through F1?

    Why are F1 teams content with the world viewing them through the current Internet prism, wheres the professionalism in that?

    Maybe Joe doesn’t need any more young aspiring F1 journalists to help assist promoting the sport but could rather benefit from new team press officers and a P.R culture that ‘gets it’ and understands how to promote the sport by facilitating real journalists with preferred access and content to support them assuring their continued presence by clearly differentiating them – theres the opportunity for young people wanting to live the F1 life.

  63. Its like some people like to eat healthy and others like to eat Mcdonald’s. In the end everyone gets what they want.

  64. “In the end, it is your choice.”

    Indeed. And, I must thank you for making the situation clear to me. I don’t remember when, but you have commented on this whole setup before, which really made me think about where and from whom I was getting information. I have really pared down the sources I trust and will check for reliable news.

    I just wish more people were aware of this problem with not just F1 news, but all news.

  65. Yes, and there are a lot of small websites out there doing a great job. They might not have the biggest of budgets, but they’re woking damn hard to get where they want to be and they’re giving some great ‘bloggers’ and young journalists the chance to share their work. Whilst your article is spot on, it’d be nice if these sites got some acknowledgement rather than the usual few which have been around forever.

    1. If they want to be taken seriously they have to take the next step up. We all work hard. That is not enough.

  66. Few F1 sites interest me, I think the only “indie” site I read in TheF1Times. I think that’s a one-man show, perhaps attended only the European races. I do think, however, that the quality of work isn’t dependent on how many races someone has attended.

    1. I disagree entirely about attendance at races and I don’t believe I’ve ever met anyone from the website you mention. Why not ask them how many races they have attended with press credentials?

      1. Thanks for visiting JM. The F1 Times, of which I represent, has a great following and our readers are very knowledgeable people. I have no doubt they can distinguish the chaff from the wheat. We’re a small site, but we’re doing our very best to expand – which is hard to do against such giants as Autosport. We attend as many events as our current budget allows. We’ve been present (with media credentials) at the British GP and the German GP so far and we shall be at a further three this season. Hopefully next season that will grow.

        Joe. I have actually met you. Last year at the McLaren launch, and we chatted quite briefly and you seemed like an incredibly nice guy. I would say it’d be nice if you could understand our side of the story, but I imagine you’ve been in a similar position yourself when you were establishing yourself. Some of us are doing our very best, but it isn’t exactly easy with articles such as this tarring all small sites with the same brush.

        I will make an effort to say ‘Hi’ next time I see you in the paddock. Thanks.

        1. Good for you! I knew there was something about the name that I couldn’t quite place. I am all for those who make the effort to do the job properly and will support that kind of activity if I can!

  67. I wonder if Jurgen Stiftschraube ever covered the exploits of the great Edgar Jessop? That would be a delicious irony!

    1. Indeed so. I hear that Edgar is working on a biography of the celebrated Japanese driver pairing Kamiya Iwanalaya and Oneri Wenyapaimi.

  68. One thing I love about your site, Joe, which you don’t get much of elsewhere are the ‘background’ articles where the link to F1 is tenuous but the writing very evocative. Especially the ones about your road trips to races and calling off at interesting spots. Maybe I’m imagining it, but they don’t seem as frequent these days.

    Regarding other sites, I would only really consider readings ones that offered opinion and analysis with their news. Not everyone will agree with that opinion – I know from previous comments you don’t have a high opinion of TJ13 for example, but those sort of things are much more interesting to me that just the gossip.

    By the way, I was meaning to make a comment on your blog a while back when you suspended comments. This is a popular site with lots of comments on posts, but I can see how they can detract under certain circumstances. Could you set up a separate forum for discussions and have the blog closed for comments? That would give a degree of separation and maybe also offer an opportunity for your followers to raise other points that the blog doesn’t cover immediately? You might need multiple sections such as threads to comment on posts and more general threads. Just an idea.

  69. Keep up the good work. Love your blog and subscribe to GP plus. In all honesty I actually find your blog better than GP plus but I still enjoy GP plus.

    The only comment I would make in regard to this post is that i agree with the majority of what you are saying here with the exception of that in my view an opinion piece doesn’t neccesarly need to be written by someone who attends races, depending on context. For example an ‘insider’ piece I would agree with your stance, however ‘who should move to what team’ could be written by anyone as it is just an opinion.

    Anyway. Love the blog and GP plus.

    Thanks

    1. Did you ask them if they have anyone at the races? It is a Dutch site but they may have some kind of regular race attendees. I’m not sure. I don’t know everyone’s business!

  70. I have to agree with Oliver Campbell. If you are Mike Dodson or Nigel Roebuck or Alan Henry or Gerald Donaldson you don’t have to be at all the races, from 30-40-50 years of experience they can interpret what has been happening better than many lesser scribes attending. Apart from you and DT and Grand Prix+ for those who read French I would strongly recommend l’Equipe, the French sports daily.Then of course we are lucky enough to have Martin Brundle and D.C both of whom have been at the sharp end at the sharp end of the business.

    1. Being at the races keeps you up to speed as F1 and the people in it change all the time. However I agree that with that much experience one has an advantage, although obviously it fades with time.

  71. Joe, I’m a bit surprised by this part :

    “The only way one can be sure that people are actually regular attendees is when they post pictures and write blog items about being there. Thus, it is fair to say that blogs are more likely to be trustworthy than straight news websites.”

    I understand your point about authenticity .

    But I believe in general blogs play a major part in the undermining of professional journalism , along with websites featuring mainly blog-like content .
    Such as articles by celebrity/’insider’ contributors, who are not proper journos, don’t get paid, or even only deliver the information an anonymous staff writer uses for the piece – under their byline.

    Isn’t that an important factor in the past decade’s erosion of journalism, and makes it much harder for young journos to get into the business and do a good and credible job ?

    (Foreign speaker here, I hope it makes sense…)

  72. Joseph,

    Nothing to add to your thorough piece apart from a suggestion to check in on @amait via Twitter some time. This is the chief excrescence of GMM himself, Andrew Maitland. Most of his Tweets are abusive rants about the shortcomings of the full-time F1 media (including many outlets he shamelessly plagiarises on a regular basis), plus complaints about other sites/writers ‘stealing’ his ‘copyrighted’ material.

    He is delusional beyond belief.

    1. He just twicked himself: “Thanks for the advert, Joe”

      LOL, not sure if the conceit isn’t as funny as the thought how many screws must be loose for the guy to think anything here is a advert for him! Crikey!

  73. I disagree with you there Joe. I happen to find the reports from GMM to be quite accurate in my opinion and get to the point without meaningless waffle. It also allows less well known websites to have content from an experienced and well respected journalist without have to pay for a full time journalist. It’s all well and good siting in your Chateau in france and pontificating but most publications don’t have the money that you freelancers unjustly demand.

    1. Are you Andrew Maitland’s brother or his cousin? On top of that you’re rude and ill-informed. Don’t bother to come back. You have no idea what you are talking about.

      1. Greg,

        As someone who once used GMM content I can only say that you’re mistaken; we published, on average, only 10-20% of the ‘stories’ we were supplied with, as the rest were fluff. I tried – very hard – to get the owners to ditch GMM, in vain. I left the site as a result.

  74. Two issues spring to mind here. Firstly, if you want to read a site which regurgitates articles, if you had even the smallest amount of nous you’d recognise that the source of much of the content is a press release or other carefully dropped soundbite to promote an agenda, with a bit of speculation thrown in. There is a whole phallanx of professional PR people who work in this industry, as well as those adept at manipulating the system, knowing that a well placed comment here or there will further their goal, whatever it may be. If you are the sort of person who takes everything at face value then great, but for those who like to think of the bigger picture and actually understand the reality then a responsible, well connected and trusted interpreter is a must, in which category I’d place the esteemed host of this blog.

    Secondly, for those bemoaning the difficulty of gaining access to events, it’s like any other walk of life; you have to start at the bottom and work your way up. It would be like me deciding that because I’m quite interested in politics I’d like to become a political reporter and expect an accredited pass to the House of commons or United Nations. For example, in the Nineties I worked as a supplier to the motorsport industry which more often than not meant spending my weekends in the paddocks at UK Touring car meetings of F3 meetings and the odd International event. Quite naturally, I got to know a huge amount of drivers, engineers, owners, sponsors and manufacturer reps very well. Someone else who I used to see an awful lot was also a young reporter who would also be doing the rounds and making the same sort of contacts and whilst a few of these people would come and go, some went on to better things and I’m thinking about the likes of Christian Horner, Jenson Button etc etc who very early on you grew up with and had developed a rapport at an early age. That young reporter is now editor of Motor Sport magazine and like our host did his apprenticeship. Now, whilst I don’t still work in the Industry, I’m sure I could put a call in to Christian Horner and he’d know who I was, because when he was starting out not that many people would seek him out and take an interest in what he was up to and those sort of contacts and relationships just don’t happen overnight. As our host keeps saying, you need to make it happen for you. If you’re not prepared to do the apprenticeship, giving up your weekends for little or no reward, building up your contacts and knowledge about how it all connects whilst standing in a rainy paddock at 8am, then the chances that you’re going to get parachuted into an F1 paddock are slim to non-existant. ,

  75. Well put Joe, there’s way to much fluff claiming to be ‘straight from the pit lane’
    Just an idea, could the FIA/FOM create a list of accredited websites which would only have articles from journalists that have actually been to the races, so that fans knew where to go for some actual proper journalism

  76. Sounds like Pit Putz is acting up again… LOL
    You are the best, sir. Thank you for your efforts!

  77. As an amateur F1 writer… I agree with what you’ve written.

    It’s painfully easy to find absolute junk written by people who don’t even seem to have watched the races, and as a fan there are only a small number of websites I trust for content.

    I’m all for giving wannabe journalists a shot at being a part of a very exclusive business (one imagines it’s easier to become a CEO of a multinational than a respected F1 journo), but when the ill-informed claim or imply authority it stuffs it up for everyone.

    Me, I tend towards clear opinion-only and race previews, and never claim to have any special knowledge or access to anything… and I refuse to scavenge news just for pageviews, so hopefully I’m not one of the guys you had in mind when writing this!

  78. This was interesting to read Joe. I’ve been reading your stuff since I found grandprix.com years ago, I always enjoyed The Mole’s articles.

    I’ve often wondered who writes the stuff on formula1.com as it’s never, or at least not that I’ve noticed, attributed to anyone. That’s a very thankless job. I like the technical articles they have too. They seem to have better access to the details, which would make sense being ‘official’ and part of my attraction to F1 is the crazy technical stuff it always seems to come up with.

    Do you know who writes those articles?

      1. haha
        Are you able to enlighten the rest of us or is that not allowed?
        If you’re not allowed to say, or don’t feel you should, can you tell us if the technical articles are at least written by a person with decent knowledge?

        The fluff articles fit right in with what you are getting at in this post but what about the driver interviews, how exclusive are they really?
        For the last few races I’ve been watching internet streams of the SkySports coverage, I must say I’ve been impressed with it. I’ve noticed that when they interview drivers there are always multiple microphones in front of them, this makes me wonder what “exclusive interview” really means.

  79. wow, this is quite a topic. i have to say i am surprised at all of the different opinions. this has definitely touched a nerve.
    Joe, a question, what prompted this post? an article or just the general state of the media today?
    i happen to blog, however don’t in anyway present myself or what i do as journalism, it is mostly opinion and for the enjoyment of writing about this sport that i am very passionate about.
    however reading your post made me give it some thought. i commonly blog about what i see during race weekend via Sky Sports, or the BBC, or what we have in the states NBCSN, or a story that i might find at the BBC website, or PlanetF1 for example.
    I have also on several occasions posted links from yours, James Allen’s and Peter Windsor’s site for a particular post that i wrote.
    so based on what you have presented, do you feel that i am doing F1 and its fans a disservice? and if so (im thick skinned, don’t pull any punches) the simple fact is i really enjoy blogging about F1, so what can i do to ensure that my readers realize that i am not presenting a false impression?

    1. No reason. I’ve been writing it for months. It needed to be explained. I really feel for fans who are looking for good info and don’t know what to do. When I first started reading about F1 in my teens I was so naive that it never even crossed my mind that there might be specialist mags, until I found one in a big newsagents. It sounds silly, but I used to follow F1 in newspapers only and I craved more info. When you have no idea about a subject you tend to accept what is in front of you. But these days it is more complicated because of manipulation and the pretend journalism that goes on.

  80. ‘In the end, it is your choice.’

    Let’s look at the evidence;

    He started 30ish years ago, when F1, although big, was nowhere near the animal it’s grown into today. He started off by, not being ‘handed’ an access all areas pass, but, I believe, living out of a tent and ‘roughing it’ around Europe to follow F1 and earning the permanent accreditation. Over the years, key relationships have been nurtured, not over a few minutes/hours but over several decades; and with key people in the sport, not just the drivers. I appreciate that he’s not the only one with ‘real’ access however, again, when you look at the evidence, there aren’t that many who have that access.

    He has other strings to his bow; Saboteurs wasn’t researched for a year or 2 but 18. I’ve just received my copy and am looking forward to reading it; sure it’s going to be a great read. Visiting this blog is sometimes like listening to the Today programme on R4. There’s business news (some pretty in-depth and relevant material relating to F1 and the wider world), a bit of travel news and, of course, the sport; F1. The guy knows what he’s talking about.

    I personally couldn’t give a t**s whether he misses telling me on this blog (by a few measly minutes compared to some other source) whether or not Mark Webber or any other driver has moved teams. That’s not why I come here; being the ‘first to know’ is simply irrelevant to me. It’s all this other stuff that’s important.

    Sidepodcast, this blog, and GP+. Still can’t believe that the first two are free (you pay several quid to get a ‘bit’ of quality content in one of the mags). The third option is a very modest sub-£30.

    Yes, it IS all down to choice I guess and for those that want the ‘glitz’ of the JA website (which is OKish) then that’s all fine and dandy. I read JA’s biography on Schumacher and, although I enjoyed it, I was left wondering (with good reason I think) how much ‘real’ access did he have to his subject? Saboteurs on the other hand……….. Get my point?

    I suspect that a good many of the commenters come here for the same reasons as I do; they recognise quality when they see it.

    For me the choice is very clear.

  81. Very interesting and thought provoking. Some of the current inadequacies in F1 reporting seem to arise out of the way access to the key players has been ring-fenced to those prepared to shell out a shed-load of money. For some reason, it seems to be OK, in the eyes of many of the Press Pass holders to squander the opportunities, obligations and responsibilities this card provides. A case of I can afford it, what I do with it is my business, you (the public hungry for knowledge and insights about the sport), can go and whistle.

    Contrast this with the situation in the the early 1970’s when the marketing crew were just beginning to get their teeth into F1. I was able to go to practice day for the British GP at Brands Hatch for very little outlay. This gave access to the whole circuit. After practice I could wander freely in the paddock, watching the mechanics stripping and preparing the cars. After a hard day at the office, Graham Hill was sat at the front of his pit compound, signing autographs for the surprisingly few fans who were there to request this. At the same time he was balancing his early supper ( a dodgy looking piece of gala pie and limp salad) on his lap. A few minutes later, Emerson Fittipaldi drove his Lotus over my wife’s foot (we won’t sue – she hardly noticed because of the low contact pressure of the tyres).

    When we subsequently made our way into the paddock bar, it was more or less empty, apart from Mike Hailwood and John Surtees having a quiet pint together at the bar. It would have been easy (but very rude and obvious) to get close to them and earwig their conversation. How much would the current press brigade pay to get that sort of exclusive? I suspect if I had moved in on them, I would have found they were discussing the progress of their runner beans, or something equally mundane.

    To me, all this is simply a pleasant personal memory, which has helped sustain my interest in F1 over the intervening years. Note – in this, I have not used the words Paddock Pass. No security heavies were trying to stop me meandering about and simply enjoying what I was seeing. I could make up my own mind about what was going on.

    It is usually fairly easy to spot the vicarious transfer of experience displayed on most F1 websites (the hysteria count might be a factor here). Had I been a journalist at the time, I suspect I would have had a nice bit of contextual experience around which to present my article and an indication that for drivers and engineers there are worlds operating other than chasing down lap times and that contact with the public is no bad thing. You keep pushing the importance of paddock access, although I would be surprised if it is now possible to get this close to the lives of race personnel during a meeting. The like of GMM and their clients are only ever going to be able to deliver the hard statistical details of a race (OK that’s all a lot of people require). I would prefer to see, or have someone looking for me how Damon Hill was getting to grips with a miserably handling Jordan at the Monaco Chicane or how close and how consistently Mika Hakkinen was taking his Mclaren to the exit wall. To me the statistics take second place.

  82. Great article.
    The heart of the matter seems to be the information versus analysis shift that’s been taking place across media with the dawn of the internet. Newspapers – and to a degree, television news – have realised that they can’t maintain a business with once-a-day printed news any more: the internet and social media break stories literally as they happen. Instead, they’ve begun to major on quality of work and insight – which you get from a properly trained or experienced journo.
    What you’re saying seems to be a similar thing. The rumour mill is being fuelled by endless copies of articles published by these bottom-feeding organisations,but the valuable viewpoints will always reside with the top quality writers.
    But you’re right: the clutter is awful. I’m a professional writer and editor by day and blogger following the new Formula E series by night (and I make no bones about being just a ‘ripple’ in the pond!). The proliferation of regurgitated pieces by a hundred websites is an extraordinary waste of time when trying to find and credit the original source, which often ends up buried on the second or third page of Google, far lower in the rankings than the sites that have stolen the piece and recycled it. Odd.
    But the positive side is that, as the big newspapers move their coverage behind paywalls, your blog and a handful of others (such as James Allen’s, of course) become more and more valuable.
    The only way is up!

    1. Ross, with a modest bit of bother, you could do as I do, which is pipe google alerts, dump the links, and run a differential, to de-prioritize likely redundant copies.

      I use dtsearch, because I can do things like build up a lexicon of specialized language by word frequency (or infrequency) very quickly. Often spout that out to Excel, but really should start building a tool in R. Thing is, dtsearch is already plenty heavy lift and absolutely worth the sticker, and the Excel low level link is awesome, frankly.

      Another neat trick is to parse out semantic trees from your “catch” and bung those into the goog with OR statements, or run a crawl from dtsearch to the likely suspects. (Don’t discount Bing, which I believe is less bubble to the top than goog. Also, regards bubble to top results as come from being profiled, it can pay to get a bunch of IPs. So many IPs are contaminated by email spamming operations, but perfectly good for html requests, you can get almost unending supply for peanuts. Not tested v6 ranges, don’t do enough to get a significant sample to test for per – ip profiling, but a cheaper way for v4 is also to use a proxy if you can find one that puts lots of traffic through a small range along with many other customers)

      On my list of things I’d love to do if I had the time, is to have a little F1 “BS-ometer” driven by these tools, catching trends of manufactured headlines, as a sidebar . . dang, just thought of a evil name for the widget. Not telling, in case, off to grab the dot com if free .. thing is, mind, I think I might have a customer base of exactly 2. Here and if it could be weighted with more humor, another blog I enjoy. No other takers, either up their rear ends, copysites or would rank all time top BSers.

      (one day, I shall turn my thoughts to whether some of my tinkering might be actually useful to serious writers / bloggers, or maybe just put up a site with the tools, but the problem is that you really need to have dedicated users to train systems, so not good for a free for all website at less than massive scale)

      1. Phew – that all sounds fearfully complicated! I get sent the official news at the moment so I know that’s genuine; other bits and pieces take a bit more time to try and analyse, but at the moment stories are fairly few and far between – certainly compared to the absolute barrage of continual F1 stuff. One of the problems with being a desk jockey I guess – guys like Joe will have a much more connected, organic approach to stories, without needing to wade through the crap on t’internet. Hopefully I’ll bag a media pass to Formula E next year, but let’s see what happens…
        Can’t work out how to get this profile to direct to my Formula E account, which is currente.wordpress.com. My name seems to link to my second blog, about cycling mainly. Sigh. Bring back pens, paper and ink.

  83. Fantastic reflection, Joe… and knowing it at first hand makes it quite sad. Besides you didn’t mention those who although holding a full season pass and writing for big publications, having access to the paddock and those who work there, still write stuff that isn’t true and get away with it. Those who never called/talked/mailed -you name it- the main source and published rubbish without any consequences.

    No need for corroborating news or facts. Does it bring viewers to the website? Does it sells more newspapers?? Then go for it.

    It is disgraceful…

    @Patri_tweets

  84. Hi Joe

    Interesting article.

    I would like to hear a more in depth explanation of how these ‘bottom feeders’ can take a more professional approach. If pit passes are really so hard to come by, and all the stories you see printed online and otherwise are already old news, how exactly are you supposed to find any originality?.

    No pit pass makes it extremely difficult to make contacts

    It’s all very well saying that we set ourt own limits and that there are youngsters out there doing this, but it still seems very much to be a closed shop to anybody looking in from afar.

    Regards

    Mark

    1. It has always been like that. You have to get out there and find a way. If others can do it, so can you… It is about passion and drive.

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