Notebook from an Argentine steak house

Nagyvásárcsarnok is a bit of a mouthful, but for some of the eastern European countries additional syllables are deemed essential to give a word the splendour it deserves – and Nagyvásárcsarnok is a splendid thing. I thought it might have been an old station from the Austro-Hungarian imperial days, but it seems that this imposing edifice has always been the central market hall in Budapest. It is a neogothic heavyweight, with a steel roof of which Gustav Eiffel or Isambard Kingdom Brunel would have approved. And below, in the hustle and bustle, one can find all the delights of Hungarian living: duck liver, paprika, Túró Rudi pastries, spices and candies and the local wines and spirits, plus, of course, the most colourful fruit and vegetables, including vast peppers and monster pickles that would scare small children. These days it is a big tourist attraction and, as I was being a tourist for a few hours, I dropped in to take a look.

One eats in odd places when one travels. I cannot imagine going from city to city and always being on the lookout for the best British restaurant (not that Britain ever won gold in the epicurean Olympics), but many of the different nationalities in F1 like to eat their own food.  I guess it gives you some comfort in a foreign field. I went to some fancy Italian place on Friday and found a table filled with happy eaters from the Italian media/PR world, merrily nibbling on truffle-encrusted ravioli and sipping pink Prosecco. There wasn't really enough food to feed a supermodel but the bill would, no doubt, have been eye-poppingly impressive. Usually I like to eat local food, although I have had some fairly unpleasant experiences in China and Korea as a result. Hungarian food is great, if you like fruit soups, goose liver and goulash (which I do). There is also fogas, a fish that comes only from Lake Balaton, although it bears a passing resemblance to the perch you get if you dip your fishing rod into Lake Geneva.

Nonetheless on Monday night I didn't have the energy to walk very far from the hotel and my body was telling me that steak and spinach was required, which means that I am lacking protein and need a boost of iron. I had spotted the Argentine steak house while returning from Nagyvásárcsarnok and gave it a try.

The horseradish and tomato sauce that came with a few anaemic prawns wouldn't have frighten St Elmo's Steakhouse in Indianapolis, but it had some zing and I guess that this would have pleased the clientele, who included a lot of Americans. I could hear their voices around me. And let's face it, not many nations wear teeshirts that proclaim "Sometimes I drink water" or "Drinking helps". The tables were largely peopled by men, but there were one or two beefy women as well. Miss Hungary was not spotted. The steak was terrific and properly cooked and it reminded me of the old days when F1 used to go to Buenos Aires (before the corruption payments outweighed the budgets available). In those days we used to visit places called La Estancia and La Mosca Blanca – and they were exceptional. The good thing about Argentine restaurants in Budapest is that one can escape from the inevitable gipsy bands, who tend to plague the local eateries.

Monday had been a quiet day after a weekend of never-ending deadlines and pizza in the hotel room on Saturday night, as I put the magazine together. By Monday afternoon, however, I had cleared the decks, in preparation for the summer break. I should have flown home on Monday, but when they say that a day can make a big difference, they were not kidding, at least not in relation to airline ticket prices from Budapest to Paris.

So I stayed and I was glad I did. The recent weeks have been quite a slog, but Hungary is the one and only race in Europe to which I fly (I guess I should include Sochi as Europe, but I don't) and it confirmed my belief that life is too short to fly around Europe in the summer months.

At the circuit the weariness that we all feel was highlighted by the fact that people are also starting to get ill. Paul di Resta went to Budapest to commentate, standing in for the unwell Martin Brundle, but then he found himself propelled into one of the Williamses when Felipe Massa also went down with a lurgy. This meant that Anthony Davidson got to be the big cheese commentator on SkyTV, although I am told that not a lot of people actually watch the show, at least not compared to what used to be the case.

The folk at Liberty Media have already made it clear that they are not overly keen on pay-TV, unless it is in markets which are used to the idea and accept it. Most of Europe does not – and F1's viewing figures have suffered because of the decision to go to pay-TV in recent years. F1 is a sport that needs the profile to draw in new fans and to keep sponsors happy. Pay-TV does a terrible job at that. Over in Germany, so they say, the negotiations are continuing over the next big contract. RTL is bidding and Sky is in the mix as well, but there is also the free-to-air ARD, a public channel, which is hoping to get a deal. ARD is hoping to come up with some clever deal which will cover not only F1 but also the Olympic Games for 2018 and 2024. Those rights are held by the Discovery Channel and ARD wants a sublicence. Discovery bought the European rights for the Olympics from 2018 to 2024, a deal which includes the two summer Games In Tokyo in 2020 and Paris in 2024 and the Winter Games in Pyeongchang (South Korea) and Beijing (China) in 2018 and 2022. Discovery is owned by one of the branches of the Liberty empire and so a deal could happen in Germany. The Olympic Games may also play a role in deciding future F1 races in the United States.

Los Angeles has just accepted a deal to stage the 2028 Olympic Games, which means that there is 10 years to wait. The city is keen to build up its international image under youthful and ambitious mayor Eric Garcetti, who was recently re-elected and will be in power until at least 2023. Garcetti's Events people are believed to be looking at the idea of a Grand Prix in LA and with a 10 year gap before the Games, there might be impetus for a deal. What is now clear is that Long Beach City Council is going to decide to stay with Indycars and so if F1 wants to be in California, it will need to be elsewhere. The folk in the F1 group refuse to say much on the subject, but it seems that the West Coast is really not a great priority for them at the moment because of the problems created by the nine hour time difference between California and Europe. This means that races would be aired live rather late in the evening and would be screened in the middle of the night in Asia. This is what McLaren might call sub-optimal and I believe that the focus for new F1 races is firmly on the East Coast, where the time zone problem is less intense. I am not a gambler by nature, but I reckon that Chase Carey must be looking at something in New York City, and perhaps even down Miami way. Liberty does like the idea of using stadiums, as happens in Mexico, but in New York the key point is to get a view of the city skyline and/or the Statue of Liberty.

It is worth noting, by the way, that Formula E spent a lot of time talking to LA about hosting a race at one of three venues: around the Staples Center, close to the downtown area, or at the nearby Dodgers Stadium to the north, or the  LA Coliseum to the south. In the end Formula E went to Long Beach but has since dropped off that calendar, as Formula E found a place to race in Brooklyn. This is not suitable for F1, but there are quite a few potential sites that could work, particularly if Liberty does its own promotion, which seems the likely way forward.

Some people think that F1 cannot get into big cities these days but they obviously forgot to tell the people in Singapore. The word from there is that the Singapore Grand Prix will continue in the future, with a deal having been struck for the race to continue. It is logical to suggest that the deal will be announced when F1 is in town in September and the word is that the Singapore government will be taking a bigger role.

There is a fair bit of rumouring in F1 circles at the moment, although the chuntering of discord around the halo has drowned out the silly season a little. I am hearing that a deal has basically been agreed for the shape of the engines from 2012 onwards and that these will be modified versions of the current hybrids, with a number of key modifications to bring down the costs, in order to attract new players. Cost is the key factor in getting more manufacturers into F1 and it makes sense to bring in as many reductions as possible. The word is that the 2021 engines will feature twin turbos and a less stringent fuel-flow rate. The expensive and complicated MGU-Hs will disappear but the sport will retain some of its technology credibility by increasing the amount of KERS, although the MGU-K systems are likely to be standardised to keep costs down. Work is going on to ensure that the engines are also noisier and thus sexier. One can only hope that by then the halos will have turned into something nicer-looking.

There is a big push going on to have independent engine manufacturers as well, so that the likes of Cosworth and Ilmor can be involved. However, I am hearing that this may come about by different means with joint ventures involving teams, manufacturers and engine companies. Joint R&D is quite normal in the automobile world, so watch out for something similar. I can see McLaren, Red Bull, Aston Martin and Cosworth all getting together to create engines that will then appear with different badging. McLaren, for example, could use McLaren V6s, Red Bull could use Aston Martin V6s and Cosworth V6s could be supplied to customer teams. The FIA and Liberty is keen on this idea as it will undermine the power of the big F1 engine manufacturers. Still, there is nothing to stop Ferrari doing the same sort of thing with Alfa Romeo, or someone else coming in with Ilmor. The key element is cost.

Elsewhere Sauber and Ferrari have agreed to stay together for another three years, although the Swiss team will get a 2018 version of the engine next year. Is that better than a Honda? Well, time will tell. Honda and McLaren looked half-decent in Hungary but the word continues to be that the divorce is coming and that Honda will move to become the engine supplier of Toro Rosso. This is a win-win-win situation for all concerned. Honda gets to stay in F1 with a lower profile than with McLaren, Toro Rosso gets a free engine deal for three years, which means that the team will save $60 million, and if the engines start getting to be very good Red Bull can simply flip the engines on to Red Bull Racing and so there will be a factory supplier for Milton Keynes again. All of this means that McLaren and Renault bosses have been canoodling behind the F1 bike sheds and will soon announce that they are going to be together for three years… Renault will get to have three top teams using their power units (even if one is badged as TAG Heuer – a purely financial deal because the name of the engine appears on screen whenever the car is seen).

On the driver front, it all still depends on Ferrari but we expect Vettel to sign and Kimi will probably stay too. There has been some talk of dropping Charles Leclerc into the second seat, but that is way too wild for anyone with a clue about what it takes to drive F1 these days. Ferrari would like to have Max Verstappen, but they cannot get him just yet, while I hear that Renault is upping the ante in its efforts to secure Esteban Ocon for its factory team. Force India would be happy to get the money to sell the contract and might even be convinced to take the other Mercedes youngster Pascal Wehrlein (if money comes with him as well). Pascal probably needs to move on from where he is because the chances are that Leclerc will end up at Sauber, with some Ferrari cash to help balance the books. Marcus Ericsson will remain because he is Swedish – and the team has a Swedish owner, who is hiding behind a Swiss private equity façade. And Fernando Alonso will almost certainly stay at McLaren, because there is no other gig in town and Fernando is not about to walk away from a McLaren with a Renault engine. That might even be a winning car… Elsewhere Michael Andretti is considering switching his Indycar team from Honda to Chevrolet engines and so if Fernando wants to go to Indy again, that might still be possible.

[Joe was eating at the Pampas Argentin Steakhouse, Vámház krt. 6]

202 thoughts on “Notebook from an Argentine steak house

  1. Salutations on your steak and spinach, also a favourite here. I really enjoy Ant on Sky and think he did a mega job – always nice to get a change of flavour and he spiced up a pretty flat weekend. Have a good break mon ami.

    1. He’s a nice guy, Ant, and knowledgeable.. But after a while his voice and accent can weary even his biggest admirers. He sounds so much like an estate agent ….. that least loved of all British professionals..

          1. Totally agree. I really enjoyed Davidson’s comments. di Resta is quite boring to listen to. He obviously knows what he’s talking about but just isn’t interesting enough for TV.

      1. I think an estate agent would have a lot less ‘umms’ and ‘errs’ – hope he can correct that lazy habit as his commentary is good

  2. Joe, would an increase in the minimum weight help to lower the cost ? I’m thinking team can use more “day to day” material and less work into weight saving. An increase say 100kg would probably put less priority into this area. I know team do use ballast to distribute the weight but if and… nah, just a thought.

    1. @bobby it hasn’t done in the last I don’t believe. Cars have been designed to come well under minimum weight so that the teams can add moveable ballast to specific areas of the car to aid performance. I assume (guess) that ballast is located different for different track characteristics.

  3. Joe: “Paul di Resta went to Budapest to commentate, standing in for the unwell Martin Brundle, but then he found himself propelled into one of the Williamses when Felipe Massa also went down with a lurgy.”

    When was the last time when a driver attended an F1 race as spectator and raced? One of my favourite races was when Marc Surer stood in for Ricardo Londono-Bridge at Brazil 1981, finishing in fourth place.

    1. The situation with Marc Surer at Rio in 1981 wasn’t quite as you suggest. He’d already raced the Ensign at Long Beach, but Ricardo “Cuchilla” Londoño had come up with some much-needed sponsorship and was chasing the ride. However, the “Razor” didn’t have a Super-licence.

      Fortunately for Ensign team owner Mo Nunn, an extra day of practice had been laid on before race 2 of the season, at Jacarepaguá, because the circuit had just been commissioned for F1 and the FIA wanted to check that everything was tickety-boo. This gave Ricardo Londoño a chance to get his driving checked by the FIA.

      He was doing remarkably well, lapping faster than Nelson Piquet, René Arnoux, Derek Daly, Bruno Giacomelli, Jean-Pierre Jabouille and others, and looked set to get his licence in order to start the race on Sunday. But then there was an incident when he ran into the back of Keke Rosberg’s Fittipaldi, the suggestion being that Keke had deliberately brake-tested him. Keke recently denied this to me, but he also didn’t seem to remember much of the circumstances.

      Ricardo was undoubtedly talented but had spent too much time making his name at home in Colombia: he was already 31 years old when he climbed into the Ensign. He had raced pretty much anything with wheels, gaining a name for himself as a dare-devil — and attracting sponsorship.

      Surer, who had been standing by, got back his drive. The Colombian sponsorship also stayed on the car. It poured with rain on Sunday and the race was a thriller (it was the one in which Carlos Reutemann chose not to move aside for Alan Jones in a 1-2 Williams finish).

      There were some further adventures when Ricardo moved on to Formula 2, until he retired and got into bad company. As readers of GP+ will know, his life came to a violent end in July 2009.

  4. If McLaren does indeed pick Renault, Alonso’s luck dictates that Honda will make good and propel STR to victories next year.

    There aren’t many certainties in F1, but this is surely one of them.

    1. I think Honda could produce a surprising engine next year. They have a great engine builders history so we never know what could get off their hat next year.

      1. My crystal ball suggests the Honda donkey will be on par with Renault next year, and by 2019 it will equal to or better than the best motor in on the grid.

      2. Honda pull a rabbit out of the hat over the winter and Carlos Sainz Jr & Toro Rosso are world champions 2018….. you heard it here first ! 😉

        1. I think if Honda do manage to produce the proverbial rabbit that Max and Danny will very quickly get moved to the junior team….

      3. I wonder why you believe that? Because of their MotoGP endeavours?

        Because when I look back to 1991, Senna was telling Honda they had not progressed sufficiently vs Renault. In 1992, Renault powered Williams to the title and Honda ran away.

        Mugen kept the Japanese investment going with a handful of wins but as Honda they managed a fortuitous one with Button in Hungary 2006.

        I had no doubt they would struggle, I don’t look at results from 25 years ago and believe the ethos still exists, I look at their pattern since and frankly, it’s poor.

        Rose tints may allow people to dream a little but Honda have repeatedly shown a willingness to leave F1 on a financial whim, or in other words when they’re not competitive.

    2. Haha! That is entirely possible and wouldn’t surprise me at all. I don’t know if he has bad luck or makes bad decisions but whatever the reason his timing is shocking. It must be a constant thorn in his backside watching Ferrari storming around at the front. I was never a big fan of Alonso in his early years but have slowly come around. I’d love to see him go out on a high regardless of the team or engine.

  5. Ah! …A Swedish owner hiding behind a Swiss equity firm. We are half way to discovering the guy’s identity. Only a matter of time now!

    1. It has been clear for some time it is one of Ericsson’s long term Swedish backers.

      The obvious family are the Rausing’s who own Tetra Pak which intriguingly is based in Switzerland.

      He has also been backed by H&M which is owned by Stefan Persson the 17th richest person in the world and whoms wealth would blow Mateschitz and Ecclestone clean out the water. C Sylt has also made this observation although his research may be less than thorough

        1. I suggested Rausing here a while back without being explicit about it. Our host didn’t seem to know what I was on about. So I suspect it’s someone else.

          1. Your host knows exactly who it is but agreed not to reveal the name in exchange for conversation because the guy doesn’t speak to the press at all. It was a good deal.

          1. There are a lot of family members. As with all families, some are nice and do a lot of charity work, some less so… They do mix in a very elite circle though.

            The majority of them remain out of ‘the public eye’ as family reputation means a lot, certainly in business.

            (Joe, please don’t post this if it’s too close to the mark – enjoy your break, well earned).

      1. That’s a bit close to the mark. It was a very strange episode and shows the dangers of wealth of the offspring.

        I note in the only other publication I read that whichever daughter married James Stunt who Bernie outed as a bit if a xxxx is getting divorced.

  6. Ok. Let us say that McLaren goes to Renault – what is the long game for McLaren. Obviously, they don’t want to be 3rd among equals ?

    1. Takes them through the last years of the current regs and gives them time to thrash out a new sole works deal for 2021.

      1. Ahhh the have a sole works deal now. It pays them cash as well as free engines. It also gets them through the last years of the current regs and I’d assume would continue into the new era where Honda could actaully get things right straight up

      2. The success of their road car business is making it more difficult for the F1 team. It would be quite frankly ridiculous if they were to run Ferrari engines. They’ve always been direct rivals in F1 and now they are in the road car market as well.

        They need to have their own engines sooner rather than later. No small thing of course and very $pendy exercise but they are at the point now where they are a significant car maker in their own right and it looks odd for their customers that the F1 team are messing around with other manufacturers.

        At the very least they should do something like Red Bull have done with Renault & TAG where at least the engines will look like McLaren’s even if they aren’t.

  7. The notebook as wonderful as ever. I do love the stories of your travels almost as much as the F1 stories.

    Enjoy your summer vacation Joe and see you in a few weeks

  8. It is great to read of my favorite shrimp from St Elmo’s in your diary. I would be happy to buy your dinner IF the show would ever go back to Indianapolis.

  9. Glad to have your journalistic insights on top of my GP+ subscription. On the topic of free to air TV, here in the US it continues to be terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE. The commentators are competent, but Liberty really needs to up the game so that people can follow the race rather than seeing commercial breaks or split screen (ads 75%, race 25%) interruptions every 5-10 minutes. I get angry every time, but remain a fan since Monaco when Rindt beat Brabham on the last lap. I’d also like to see more and better F2 coverage. The cars look good, fun to drive, I enjoy the excitable Davide Valsecchi doing commentary, and the racing is fun to watch, but again, the commercial breaks mean that US viewers often have to reconstruct the thread of the race because TV does not show it. This is a problem that will lose them real fans and reduce F1 and F2 to just another commercial broadcast interrupted by a few sporting moments.

    1. The commercials are especially irritating in light of the fact that the American owned Spanish language channels in the US manage to show F1 and moto gp with no commercial interruptions!

      Obviously someone is getting milked…

    2. I could not agree with you more Fred, we get mostly ads breaks on NBCSN don’t we with a bit of the race thrown in just to remind the viewer the reason for watching in the first place..
      So i now view the races in Spanish on our local station, hardly any ads breaks at all …

  10. G’day boss. It’s 30 years since I went freelance and discovered that Tuesday flights out of F1 cities are much better value than rushing out to the airport to fly home with the plutocrats on Sunday night or Monday, so I’m delighted you’ve been able to save a couple of quid too. By staying over you also get a chance to absorb some local culture, as you did.

    My most vivid memory of Budapest dates back to 2006, the year I took my elder daughter with me to the race. We had lined up a weekend job for her with a caterer and she ended up rising at dawn for four days in order to peel quails’ eggs over a bucket at the back of the paddock. That was quite enough F1 for her, I regret to say.

    On Monday morning, while strolling through the city centre, we espied an elderly gentleman staggering down the fenced-off tram tracks close to the river. He was somewhat confused, having clearly over-done the champagne following (he said) a family celebration. He was amazed that a local (me) should be able to speak such excellent English but seemed oblivious to the trams rattling past him on both sides, so we ushered him to safety.

    His name, by the way, was John Button, and his son had won the previous afternoon’s GP.

    Glad you enjoyed the Nagyvásárcsarnok market hall, which I found more interesting than the average museum and a whole lot cheaper, provided of course that you didn’t load up with Tokay wine and goose liver to take home. Eleven years later, my bottle of Tokay remains untouched.

    As for Buenos Aires, you will be sad to learn that although La Estancia still operates, with the gaúcho chefs sweating over the barbecue behind the glass frontage, the photos of racing drivers on the wall are long gone and it is now full of American tourists.

    My mole in BsAs reports that the grubby old Mosca Blanca down by the railway station is gone altogether. Back in 1981 I booked a table there for me and my Brazilian chum Roberto ‘Baixinho’ Moreno. When we walked in we spotted that the Lotus people were already there, so I took the opportunity to introduce Shorty to Colin Chapman.

    Rather surprisingly, Chapman didn’t seem very interested until after we’d turned away, whereupon someone (it was Peter Warr, I think) whispered in his ear that the cheery little Brazilian he had just met was in fact his latest driver signing.

    The relationship did not exactly prosper, although Roberto did plenty of winning in F3 and F/Atlantic. It was more than a year before he actually got to sit in an F1 Lotus, subbing at five minutes’ notice for the injured Nigel Mansell at Zandvoort. He was unable to come to terms with the rock-hard suspension of the Lotus 91 and failed to qualify. He was not invited back.

    1. Thank you for commenting, Hack! I’m loving your reminiscences.

      I’m also glad you kept John Button safe!

    2. The Hack, you have a seriously engrossing book in you much like Alan Henry’s book, Last train from Yakosomewhere.

      Don’t tell your bosses but your column is usually the best part of GP+, while the rest of it is simply excellent.

  11. American broadcaster NBC has the Olympics US broadcast rights until 2032 and they spent a good chunk of cash for those rights: $7.5billion to the IOC. So, that’s not really an issue. However, NBC is also F1’s US broadcaster and that ends this season. Others like Fox and some Liberty’s own cable channels may vie for it.

    1. Ingvar Kamprad. Very secretive, lived in Switzerland until recently, a bit of an iffy background. Fits the piranha club mould. A very convoluted mess of companies and trusts owning Ikano / Ikea…. reminiscent of Delta Topco A, B, C etc. Subject of a very good Swedish investigative programme when I was up in Helsingborg in 2011.

      1. …but just to counter my own argument, he is very, very frugal and F1 is certainly not his style at all.

  12. “Most of Europe does not and F1’s viewing figures have suffered because of the decision to go away from pay-TV in recent years.”

    Is that right, Joe? Should it be “go away from FTA” ?

  13. I really struggle to see the logic in Mclaren going to Renault. As soon as the Renault team feel they are ready to mount a serious championship challenge Mclaren will be playing second fiddle. Whereas Red Bull stands to become the main beneficiary of Honda if and when they build a competitive engine.

    I have been wondering for a little while why Red Bull and Mclaren haven’t got together and contributed funds to an independent engine manufacturer in order to get themselves a competitive supply of power units.

    1. May be they have concluded that Honda are currently a complete bunch of no hopers. Better a second string Renault than a duff Honda.

      1. The only possible reason I can see for McLaren dumping Honda in favour of Renault at this time would be if Renault intend to withdraw before the new regs are drawn up leaving McLaren as a ‘works’ team. As I’ve read nothing about that either here or on less reputable websites I can only assume there are no rumours to that effect.
        I know it seems as if the new regime at McLaren seem hell-bent on removing all traces of everything that Ron Dennis ever did (except for the WDC & WCC laurels obviously!) – but surely even they must realise that he wasn’t wrong when he effectively stated that only ‘works’ teams stand a chance of winning World Championships?

  14. Joe,

    > I am told that not a lot of people actually watch the show [Sky F1 in the UK], at least not compared to what used to be the case.

    Do you mean compared with free to air? Or is Sky’s own F1 audience shrinking? A little? A lot?

    Also – if STR turns out to be Honda’s only team next year, where will they get gearboxes from? The RBR parent in Milton Keynes?

    Hope you’re right about Ocon. I’d be happy to see any of Sainz, Ocon or Kubica in yellow alongside Hulk next year. Not a fan of Perez in general, and in any case I think he and Hulkenburg are too familiar to each other and too comfortable. Hulkenburg will do better alongside someone else, and it’ll do more for his reputation too.

    1. Sky have finally done the sensible thing and unbundled F1 and other sports from ****ing football, so it’s a lot cheaper now. Sadly, those buying through cable don’t yet have that option.

      1. That they have. I finally bit the bullet in February this year and I’m getting a fairly decent deal as it is so I don’t know whether or not to be cross about this. If I could, I’d knock Golf off for definite, in terms of the Sky channels. I’m happy overall though as I watch a huge amount of Pro Cycling, so Eurosport 1 and 2 are much needed. 2 can’t be had without Sports.

        My Dad bought Sky off the back of the move to Pay TV, purely because in the early days you could have basic Sky HD with no other options, and it came with F1 channels but no other sport. He’s had it since and is happy as larry with that – until this change, he was a little worried they’d take that “legacy” package away from him due to the ridiculously daft bundling together.

      2. The Sky F1 drivel is still like watching cyanide infused point dry in a airless room while being beaten over the head with a limp trout.

        Their presenter is an simply a tabloid journalist who can string a sentence together and all of the rest get dragged down. I’m often tempted to do #askcrofty why “when you up again C4 why do I watch them? Because you sxxt!!” I actually cancelled my Sky today because the non free to air races are shown in a local pub where I know the owner. I’d rather give him £20 and get a few decent pints for the races I will no longer get “live” in doors.

        1. Andrew Macdonald – And bre-e-e-e-e-e-a-a-a-a-a-the!!

          Who are you referring to when you say “…a ‘tabloid’ journalist who can string a sentence together”? AFAIA no-one on the Sky team is now or has been a ‘tabloid’ journalist?

          IMO the Sky F1 team – especially ‘Crofty & Brundle who are one of the premier commentating teams – is excellent, and certainly better than anything C4 have to offer.

  15. Renault is getting closer to come back as one of the best engine out there like in the 2010’s years. It’s just a matter of time. So McLaren could become very competitive in 2018 with Reanult and win many races in 2019 and 2020. In 2021, every thing comes back to a blank sheet with new engine designs.

    1. The thing about new engine designs is something that McLaren faced wth Mercedes last time around. Even if you have the same engine, without the ability to package everything together or integrate everything in the optimum way, you’ll always be a step behind the ‘works’ team.

  16. i just think – if F1(FIA) wants F1 to be green and road relevant, is it not better to do flywheel kers in the future rather than stick to environment hostile, bloody expensive and hazardous batteries whatever i-on they are ?

      1. Joe any insights as to why exactly Sauber backed out of Honda deal? What did Ferrari offer that Honda couldn’t?

          1. Joe: what’s with the Ferrari deal?

            Nothing in this world is free.

            With Ferrari there’s a lot more muck.

            Even with points Sauber wouldn’t get paid for a while so it’s not about the money obviously….

            So why align oneself with the big boys who are going to take even more money from the pot?

            And could Haas be the new McLaren?

  17. Joe, your gastronomic scribblings surely equal the great pre-war aeronautical journeyman Sir Francis Chichester who attempted to circumnavigate the Globe in his Gipsy Moth biplane (he crashed in Japan), who described in detail the hospitality afforded him by Commissioners, Mayors and Colonial Officers everywhere he refuelled. Having been wined and dined into the wee small hours, he would set off the following mornings with full tanks and a heavily inflated belly, which no doubt led to the title of his epic tome of the record-breaking attempt “Ride on the Wind”

    1. Sir Francis may have failed his circumnavigation attempt by air – but he achieved it on the water. It took him and his yacht – Gipsy Moth IV – 226 days and completed the trip 9 years after having been diagnosed terminal lung cancer!!

  18. Thank you Joe, for not mentioning some ball game, which seems to have created quite a big consternation post the F1 GP.

  19. Shame about Long Beach, considering the history and infrastructure. As an LA resident, I hope Garcetti is successful but am having a hard time imagining where this could happen. The three venues you mention are probably not suitable except for the lower speed/noise of Formula E. I can only think of areas farther south–in Carson near the new Porsche Experience Center there is a fair amount of open land with good freeway access but that is not in the city of LA. Just to the west is Wilmington and the LA harbor area which one doesn’t think of as destination points.

    I can see that Liberty, by focusing on an East Coast race as well as Austin and Mexico, would willingly sacrifice western time zones, since on the West Coast we could view a 2pm New York start time comfortably at 9am. But this does not provide for the worldwide live event scenarios they appear to desire–it would seem advisable to have one such event on the West Coast. Plus we need an Audience with Joe here!

    The boffins at Liberty should work with the local country broadcasters (mumble NBC mumble) to make linear TV viewing more like a daytime live event for each of the worldwide events. I can’t watch a race at 2am, so I must timeshift it anyway. They could always keep the live feed for diehards.

    On another note, if Sauber becomes the Ferrari junior team, what effect on Haas?

      1. @Jon in California ”since on the West Coast we could view a 2pm New York start time comfortably at 9am.” – The time difference between the east and the west coast is 3 hours, so a 2 pm start time in say NYC would be 11 am on the west coast, not 9.

        1. I know the time diff having grown up here of course. I was on my second mai-tai in Kaua’i so good luck for me that any of it made sense…apologies

      2. Speaking of Bianchi, some commentators have said the halo wouldn’t have helped him. Is that in fact the case? I know it was a very high speed collision into an overhanging object, but it seems like the halo would have at least spread out the impact load.

    1. If an F1 race was to be held here, I imagine it would be in the Inland Empire. South Bay is not gonna happen.

      Also, a race at 2PM on the East Coast is at 11AM for us. Not 9.

  20. At last, McLaren get the Renault engine they were desperate for in 1991! Wait a minute… what happened to the 3.5l V10?

    1. It would be seriously funny if they put a 1993 vintage 3.5L V10 in the first crate they send to the MTC

  21. If Fernando stays I just hope to god that McLaren include him in the decision making. His record of team transfers at inappropriate times is becoming the stuff of legend. That said, McLaren/Renault has the undoubted advantage of using a common fuel – not something to be discounted especially if McLaren is capable of footing it with RBR – which it seems they are.

    1. Why on earth would any team include a driver in the decision making process? What would they have to offer or ‘bring to the table’ if you like corporate buzz-phrases?
      They are drivers – perhaps with some mechanical knowledge – but they drive what their team provides or they leave, simples!!

  22. Why would it matter that Andretti is switching to Chevy in relation to Alonso doing Indy again? I don’t understand the connection.

  23. Mr. Saward enjoy your summer break as much as you enjoyed the steak. Would be fascinating if one day a reasonably priced site was available for an evening in Austin. Enjoy reading (Blog) and hearing (Missed Apex) your insights and travels.
    Reading Mike Doodson’s comments about Button Snr reminded me of a highly alcoholic marathon years ago traveling via train from Monterrey, Mexico to Mexico City for the Grand Prix. Although in my early teens, lets say nobody checks IDs in Mexico. It was a complete blast! Group of Grambling U students traveling with their Spanish professor, combined with a rowdy group of friends and fellow travelers drank even the “Agua de los Floreros.” Fed up railroad personnel shut down the restaurant/bar carriage at 4:30am though we pleaded for them to let us replenish in San Luis Potosi.
    Good Times!

  24. California is the 5th largest economy in the world and 25% of the US population lives on the west coast. Big picture its definitely worth the hassle even with the 9 hrs different than Europe. Unless F1 just wants to stay a European sport it’s worth every penny.

    Simply put F1 will not be in California until F1 is in California. Timezones be dammed i grew up watching f1 and live in Cali it’s not that difficult.

    California/west coast has multiple locations that couuld facilitate.
    San Diego… who just lost NFL franchise and want something.
    Los Angeles… reasons already spoken above.
    San Fran… No way in San Fran but surrounding of the bay area is several options such as San Jose who is trying to establish itself once again as the the tech boom is over.
    Sacramento… only if the state government wants it. For example see Tour of California cycling race.

    Portland or Seattle… guaranteed wet race.

    Las Vegas? It’s possibly the best option just because it’s Vegas and they have $ that no city could ever have.

    1. Personally the SF bay-area would be my target. Outside of Hollywood the states wealth is concentrated here.

      There is really only one half-way realistic option: (I live and grew up here)

      Sonoma Raceway – it is on a great piece of land, but has a 2nd rate track built on it. Would need a big infusion of private cash to do a deal with the county to allow them to rebuild a new track and facility for F1 – but the land is there for a really good track. Liberty would probably have to buy the lot.

      Fantasy Options:

      Alameda Point – The north part of Alameda Island in the bay has an old unused military airfield that could be re-purposed (see google maps) but once again – massive private $$$ needed! – But would make a great Saturday night race with the SF skyline in the background.

      Golden Gate Park – A large park in the middle of San Francisco. With enough $$$ a race track could easily be put through the park that can be used once or twice a year like they have on Notre Dame Island in Montreal. Massive private $$$ needed, no way the city would foot that bill.

      Both of the fantasy options would be locked in a death battle by the local eviro/nimby’s to be made a reality. And all three would still require 100’s of millions to be made a reality.

      The various donations to county officals re-election campaigns alone to make Sonoma a reality would stop most…

      But if it was pulled off most everyone of wealth would attend with lots of local celebrities – too much of a status event not too.

      1. Having raced at Sonoma / Sears among others, I can say it’s a fantastic track and has been good enough for epic IMSA, TransAm, NASCAR, etc. races. Its facilities would need to be upgraded.

        1. Like you said below – as a drivers course its fine, but for F1 the thing just needs to be entirely re-done, and when you see the land it is on, a much bigger and better course could be put there.

          But naturally there were cost constraints the first time the original course was made.

          As for San Juan Bautista – I’ll put that in the fantasy category, that area is prime Nimby habitat.

          The fact is outside of persuading Long beach to switch series, for F1 to go to California, some big time private $$$ will need to come in and make it happen.

          It will have to be done out of love for the sport – or Liberty making a long term investment in the American market.

          And if Liberty wants more races outside of COTA it will need to spend serious Cash – tens of millions minimum. Because all the other US tracks would need extensive renovation of some kind to make them suitable for F1.

    2. I read an article earlier today about a proposed plan to build a new circuit near San Juan Bautista with an aim to get a Silicon Valley Grand Prix in Northern California. Supposedly both Tavo Hellmund and Herman Tilke are involved. It’s hard to tell if there’s any real substance to it, though.

      1. Maybe another project. There have been several. I don’t get the venue. Hardly urban and 45 mins from San Jose, Monterey etc. I guess if it was near Gilroy it could be the Garlic Grand Prix of Gilroy…

        1. Gilroy the “Garlic” capital of the world, hilarious!
          Great notebook thank you Joe I always look forward to reading these..

        2. It’s hilarious you’re aware of that tiny factoid. I guess it’s always a memorable sign to drive by.

  25. I’m not a fan of Florida, but Miami makes so much sense. The state is the essence of red tapeless. Miami has a very international feel with a huge Latin population already hip to F1 and it is oozes the sort of Flavio by the sea glamour that F1 likes. Most importantly, the state has tons of room to work with, unlike the NY metro area. And really, does NYC like London, really need F1. Hell no. Neither does LA (where I live). We’re already stuffed with tourists.

  26. You didn’t have to go all that way, there’s an Argentine Steakhouse in Reigate.

    I also used to go to an Argentine Steakhouse in Puerto Banus. Is it still there anyone?

  27. I’m not convinced McLaren-Renault will be a championship winning car. It will be Redbull-Tag Heuer Mk II at best – ie a car that can pick up the scraps from Merc and Ferrari. Renault haven’t managed to deliver the goods on the PU front and yet again this year they’re talking about a big step next year. We heard that last year and the year before. You can only kick the can down the road so many times before people stop having faith in your abilities.

    1. The likely performance of that chassis with the extra horsepower the Renault lump in it would be podium material.
      Give Alonso a sniff of decent results and watch the fireworks.

  28. Time to dig out your secret copy of the 100 year agreement Joe and head off to the land of Wikileaks.
    There was/is a very strong suggestion that there is a clause in the agreement that F1 must be shown on FTA tv. Indeed this was put to Berne several times back when the Channel 4 deal was announced and he said that the Highlights and half the races live, satisfied the agreement. Thus I am pretty sure it is not a figment of my imagination.

    So seeing from your articles, that you are able to “have the ear of Liberty”, how do they reconcile this with the Pay tv only in the UK forthcoming in 2019? Do they just hope that we don’t know about it, Are they intending to ignore it?
    Has Bernie now anything to loose by revealing that clause?

    It appears that the rules are being “re-formed” as Liberty go and of course one cannot make an omelette etc but shall we get an omelette or scrabbled eggs? (or a mess on the floor?)

  29. An exceedingly long shot but. Renault are clearly determined on Occon to sit alongside Hulkenburg next year yet they are spending large sums on testing Kubica (and getting much publicity it is true). With the possible McLaren Renault deal pending for next year might Renault be checking out Kubica for McLaren instead of Vandoorne?

    1. If Alonso signs to drive a Renault powered McLaren next year, I wouldn’t be totally surprised to see Kubica subbing for him in Monaco while ‘Nando is off driving an Andretti-Dallara-Chevrolet at the Indy 500.

  30. If Torro Rosso Honda happens, would Honda likely get a race seat for Matsushita or just some FP1 time?

    Loving the blog as always.

  31. Joe, how long do Williams expect to need to a) sort out their correlation issues and then b) get back ahead of Force India?

    1. But there is currently a Hungarian F3 driver named Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus Keith Michael Otto Antal Bahnam Leonhard von Habsburg. That’s a fun one for the timing & scoring screens.

        1. He is both Austrian and Hungarian. He currently drives with the licence of the AMF, in the past he drove with NMASZ licence in the Kart WC.

  32. “but in New York the key point is to get a view of the city skyline and/or the Statue of Liberty.”

    Anywhere remotely plausible for a race near NYC is going to be so far from the Statue of Liberty it will be essentially invisible during the race.

    I wish the sport would get over its fascination with backgrounds. That’s not why people watch the sport, we watch for racing. The next race is at arguably the best circuit of the year, and the background there is… trees and mist. All the pretty sparkly bits in Abu Dhabi don’t make the racing good, do they?

      1. Was that supposed to be “a map”?

        What looking at Google Earth doesn’t show you is all the buildings that block the view. Can you see the Statue of Liberty from the proposed Port Imperial circuit? No you cannot, even though it’s just over there.

  33. I wonder if the Sauber swedish owner is the blonde woman from ABBA. She must have a bit tucked away, and she doesn’t like publicity

    1. Interestingly, ABBA sponsored (technically they branded, rather than sponsored because they didn’t pay for it, I recall) the ATS F1 team when Abba’s session drummer Slim Borgudd raced for them in ’81.

        1. Except if you’re a DJ with an empty dance floor – then I’m told ‘Dancing Queen’ is a sure-fire floor filler 🙂

          1. Indeed, and they had quite a few F1-themed songs too: “Winner Takes It All”, “Money Money Money”, and of course “Fernando”. Not to mention their ode to breaking the overnight curfew “Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Manor After Midnight)”, “Knowing Me Knowing You (A Haas)”, and of course their Eurovision-winning song about hydraulic fluid failures “Waterleak”. I’ll get my coat.

      1. Why not, Agnetha Fältskog? If Jackie Chan can have a WEC team in Le Mans anything is possible.
        Remember Newman Hass racing (That’s Paul Newman and the other Hass) Still its more Alas Smith and Jones unfortunately, we shall see how long the.Frenchman lasts. I used to have a boss who knew everything.

        1. When i see that Raymond Baer, Chairman of Longbow Finance and (ex or still i don’t know) Chairman of Julius Bär, is (or was if he is not anymore at the head or the company) one of the main sponsors of the formula E, it is difficult to believe that the decision of Baer, to invest in Sauber is a total coincidence. That’s my opinion.

          Keep looking for Hans Rausing role’s in this story, the owner of the swedish company Tetra Laval International (Tetra Pak), who supports the only swedish driver on the grid. I know that he has paid the salary of Sauber employees before the Longbow’s buyout.

            1. Is it just me getting bored with this episode now…

              Aside from the Abba sub thread which made me laugh out loud.

              Joe has said he will respect the desire of the guy to remain confidential, lets let sleeping dogs lie.

              Surely this means that anything our host says about the team is likely to be trustworthy and close to the horses mouth.

              The team has a new leader, surely that is where the focus should be on what Vasseur can do with the team, personally I don’t care who OWNS the team how its run is what matters.

              Moving on, have a good summer break Joe, catch up before Spa 🙂

  34. Have to say I thought Ant did a fab job, the banter between him and Crofty was brilliant, and it was a breath of fresh air. I’d be very happy to see that partnership continue. For a dreadful moment I thought they might have used Damon. Ant was fantastic.

    Not sure what to make of the grid “Ted walk” though. I adore Ted’s bumbling manner, and he had to be more serious on the grid, and kind of fell between two stools for me – sadly.

    But Ant was fantastic – knowledgeable, personable, relaxed and entertaining. Sky need to make more use of him beyond the rather sombre track guides.

    1. Which part did you like Crofty laughing at his own lame pins and jokes.

      He’s about as funny as the comedian in The Nags Head when the Driscoll brothers come in for a word with Del boy in Only Fools and Horses

      1. I think listening to driver interviews from the bull-pit after the race is also telling. The SKY bint can only every extract monosyllabic answers from the driver, whereas Lee McKenzie can always frame a decent question, that draws a good response from the driver. There always seem to be another 3.4 microphones anxious to capture her interview. Lewis, last weekend, being perhaps the best example.

        I really enjoy the C4 coverage, it’s fun and informative. Often I actually dislike the weekends where it is SKY-only coverage. The track action has to be augmented by appropriate commentary and skilled production values.

        Getting the local support program right must be an essential element for Liberty to get its world-wide offering correct. It is not just about negotiating the best price. Clearly Joe’s US followers are very dissatisfied with the coverage that they get there. I would dread that the UK descended that low.

  35. Re the 2021 engines: Am I really the only person who doesn’t give a damn what they sound like?

    So long as they provide good competitive racing I’m happy. Sound is irrelevant.

    1. I used to think that the noise factor with the hybrids was not a big deal as long as the racing was good, until I heard a V10 again in a demonstration run. There’s something incredibly visceral and musical about the sound made by a ‘proper sounding’ F1 engine. Sports car manufacturers spend serious money on tuning the engine note of road cars (and even feed digitally faked engine noises into the passenger compartment) because it’s such a big part of the emotional experience.

      Then again, I have been known to shed a few tears of pure joy when I hear the almighty wail of an old Ferrari or Matra V12 going flat-out, when I’ve been fortunate enough to experience it.

      1. I would argue that the emotional experience you mention (which I admit does exist) is mostly due to the car manufacturers educating us that cars sound like that. As we become more used to the sound of an electric motor, the manufacturers will educate us to connect that emotional experience with another aspect of the car.

        Potentially, that aspect becomes actually owning and driving a car. With the rise of autonomous cars and services like Uber, owning & driving a car becomes unnecessary. You sign up to a service where you say where you’re going to & from and when you want it to happen, a car turns up and takes you.

        Depending on your opinion, driving becomes either an inconvenience or a luxury.

        Back on topic though, I don’t believe Formula E suffers from a lack of noise, and I don’t believe Formula 1 will either. Both have far more important issues and we the fans will learn to appreciate whatever noise (or lack of) we are presented with.

      2. My best memory of a Formula 1 car was at Spa walking in at La Source. Suddenly you heard this “noise” coming at you, then breaking and throttling back, then going away from you. I never even saw what car it was, but it was sensational and yes it was in the V10 3.5 litre era

  36. Am I alone in thinking that to give Robert Kubica a permanent seat in a Renault next year (which I accept is not a foregone conclusion) is a retrograde step?

    I realise he was a very good driver and aquitted himself well in the cars he drove, but however nice a fellow he is and his respectable degree of talent, I think a younger, or at least current F1 driver should fill the seat presumably being vacated by J. Palmer.

    Kubica is remembered for one of the most balletic accidents in F1 in Canada and then for virtually severing his arm in a rally event.

    Put him back in an F1 car and when he has his first big accident inevitably question marks about his arm strength etc., will surface. The latest pictures show how badly damaged his right arm is and while he may have value to Renault for publicity purposes, surely even a testing role would be a waste of time.

    Nice guy, had your time, move on.

    1. /surely even a testing role would be a waste of time/

      I may be biased on that, so I’ll leave it for Renault’s engineers to appraise whether Kubica’s testing had any value for the team. I won’t even quote the standard press release.

    2. No you are not. There is nothing Kubica can do which Ocon Perez Sainz Buemi couldn’t do better. So Renault should be aware of what Ghosn said as he opened the exchequer. Title in five years!

      1. Buemi? Two words following Montreal Formula E, Prima Donna!! Perez is not the real deal. Ocon is. Think Sainz could be, but… Clearly the next big thing however, is Leclerc.

        1. Who is a Ferrari driver!
          Then if you believe all the testing hype the ‘real’ next big thing is Lando Norris! Come on people!
          The Kubica story has been getting so much attention the other teams had to try and grab some of it with headline times from newbies as they didn’t have any returning hardman heroes to run themselves.

  37. Thank you Joe, have a fantastic summer break.

    Personally, I would love to see a race in Prospect Park Brooklyn, but us NYCers have to protect with our lives anything resembling nature, so I’m sure the reality is it would never get past the tree huggers. (sticking with engine innovation might help though.) It’s too bad, PP would be a truly amazing setting.

    I do think a GP here could be successful, even though NYC has all the events one could imagine, because we embrace and go to them. And like Singapore, the international/expat population (and wealth) wouldn’t hurt ticket sales either.

    cb

  38. I have a suggestion. Someone takes a team of JCB’s and digs up the Hungaroring and replaces it with a proper race track which doesn’t undermine the whole image of Formula One, not to mention every other series that runs at this woeful track. Yes, I have been. Budapest is wonderful, the people are generally nice, prices are reasonable, and the ‘bowl’ in which the track resides is, like Brands Hatch, a great place to watch motorsport. But – and it a huge but – the cracked old concrete, the rusty old Armco and the pathetic layout are underselling the hoards who go every year. Surely it is not to much to ask to have a track that makes for half decent racing? Everyone says it reminds them of a kart track but it does NOT show a Formula One car in the best light. Redesign the track, have a year off and go to Brno only 3+ hours north and then have a jubilant return to a decent track. And don’t allow Tilke to design it!

    1. Was this an early Tilke track? You will see more legitimate passes at Monaco than this scenic but yawn inducing twisty strip of tarmac.

      1. I’m sure I recall reading in the once great alma mater of our host that the circuit was designed by a computer, and the old right left right at what us turn 3 was because if an undiscovered spring which subsequently dried up.

    2. Well, Grosjean did make one of the greatest and ballsiest of passes a few years ago but the stewards decided that they don’t like overtaking and penalised him for it. For me, that’s the day F1 started to die, and ever since my interest has been partly stolen by MotoGP and the magnificent motorcycling magician Marc Marquez .

  39. I always thought it’s a pity that Chicago is never mentioned as possible location for a F1 race. It’s a great city with a fantastic skyline, lots of space (Grant Park), a nice lakeside etc. I assume the place is not considered as a sufficient ‘market’ (horrible word for choosing racing facilities). Moreover, a F1 race might not be on its priority list as they have to cope with quite a lot of troubles lately.

    By the way, I visited the same Argentinian restaurant in Budapest a few years back. Nice steaks in a great city!

    1. there’s a wonderful site called heyjackassdotcom that records reasons why Chicago may not be the best place for a big to do thingie. I think they’re in lousy financial shape to boot.

    2. Chicago is gorgeous. A much better looking city than LA and or NYC. There’s really nowhere for a good track unless you were somehow able to cobble together a street circuit around the parks and lakes on Lake Shore Drive. It’s a huge city and a Hrand Prix DT could easily get 80,000 people. Don’t forget, in bad weather, the Cubs victory parade attracted the largest human gathering in history. Something like 4,000,000 people in one place.

  40. Joe, I am impressed with your knowledge of Los Angeles politics and real estate. You clearly do your homework. The irony of the LA time difference, is that I think a night race would do phenominally well. No one has ever tried it! A race downtown around Staples would pull a couple hundred thousand, easy. LA has a nighttime culture. I guess the question is, would Europe get up to watch a F-1 race at 4:30 am, as we have to do here.

  41. Joe, with all the Toro Rosso/Honda chatter, is there anything whispered about in the paddock about Honda looking into possibly buying the squad?

    Would the Red Bull sporting organization even consider such a deal?

  42. Another great notebook, Thank you Joe…

    I just want to say that I just spent 30 minutes or so going through the comments here and it nice to read some very good points, interesting questions with a couple of humorous suggestions thrown in…

    So thank you for the entertainment and enjoy your holidays Joe 🙂

  43. Slightly OT, I see James Allen has been swallowed up by the Motorsport Network. You’re all being picked off, one by one !!

    I presume the Sauber owner sits on the board of the mysterious Julius Baer Group. Like all bankers, he won’t be seeing people at the factory, only numbers on a spreadsheet. If Ferrari do make a good offer, as rumoured, he’s likely to sell on his plaything.

    Enjoy your holiday. F1 will soon kick off on your return., both on and off track.

  44. No way is Mclaren switching. This article piece like some on Motorsport.com, have been created to create attention, “Fake News”,….Mclaren cannot fill $100 million elsewhere, guranteed.

    Its hypothetical, they could do it the hard way – in a season. Yeah sure, we can gain it in the Championship, but its hypothetical…if’s, buts, n maybe’s.

    Unless Mclaren start talking negatively about Honda in August, early sept, they’ll stay with Honda, who now appear to have the expertise / resources / knowledge, to stear them where they need to work on…

  45. Give your reasons why they will leave? Alonso’s salary is north of 40 million euros, he’s not driving for nothing.

    Watch and learn comment? That’s exactly what i do, you didn’t add anything in your story but to create dialogue….so what your aim “when watch and learn, and piece you wrote..hmm

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