Green Notebook from Aspen Creek

Yes, I know that sounds like I have flown from Mexico City to Colorado to spend a few days skiing before popping down to Brazil, but that is not actually the reality.

In Aspen there may already be some snow on the ground, but the resort is still preparing for the opening of the season and none of the ski areas are open, no lifts are operating.

The truth is that I am at the Aspen Creek Grill, a restaurant located next to Dallas-Ford Worth International Airport. Texas is lot colder this week than it was when we were in Austin a week ago, but it is not Aspen cold.

So why have I flown north to go south to Brazil? It’s a good question and the only answer is to say that this is what might be termed “airfare logic” because it is cheaper to fly to Brazil by way of Texas than it is to fly in the correct direction. So while the hardy F1 folk who are going to Brazil headed off to Colombia to change planes there, I went to Texas and will fly direct to Sao Paulo at some point. I was going to spend a couple more days in Texas but the flights did not work out and so I am overnighting at DFW in the same hotel I was in last week and the Aspen Creek Grill is the nearest restaurant. It is a decent place.

It was a bit of a surprise to find a mountain lodge themed restaurant in Texas, but it seems that it was started by an entrepreneur who was an avid skier. He made a fortune with a chain of Texas Roundhouse restaurants and back in 2009 decided to try a different idea to attract new customers. This was not a huge success and so after five years he sold the chain (there were only eight restaurants) to Ultra Steak Inc, a company from Fishers, Indiana, where Michael Andretti is building his new headquarters. Nearly 10 years later there are still only eight of these places, but I liked the Rocky Mountain log cabin vibe, even if the locals were a little rowdy on Monday night.

This was because there are always NFL  games on the TV on Monday nights. I wasn’t paying much attention to the game but the Detroit Lions beat the Las Vegas Raiders. I did notice that a Detroit player with the unusual name of Amon-Ra St. Brown (right) was the hero of the moment, using some very fancy footwork to get where he wanted to go. He wore the number 14, just like Fernando Alonso.

It being that time of year, there was also the MLB World Series, with the Texas Rangers (the local heroes in Dallas) playing the Phoenix Diamondbacks (the bad guys). This meant that those in the restaurant who were not playing on their mobile phones were watching one game or the other, or both. The cheering was therefore somewhat out of sync with the pictures, which was a little odd.

Therein lies the problem of US sports: there is a lot of competition to attract TV viewers across the nation.  This is tough for all sports and it is why IndyCar long ago gave up trying to compete with the big guns and ended its season in September.

NASCAR is in the throes of its Playoffs, a rather haphazard knockout competition which involves a rather large amount of luck which NASCAR hopes will pull in a big audience, during America’s sporting rush hours. NASCAR, of course, has a huge number of races each year, with a schedule that runs from February to November and includes 36 events, plus a couple of non championship exhibition races. NASCAR is not a racing series, it is a lifestyle. The thing is that NASCAR is effectively a domestic series and so the travelling is nothing like as brutal as F1’s global schedule, although the pace is relentless and a lot of those who do all the races have their own planes.

I was pondering all of this, and the valuation of US sport’s teams, while eating dinner. The biggest of the big league are the Dallas Cowboys NFL team, which is reckoned to be worth $9 billion. They say that everything is bigger in Texas and that is certainly true when it comes to sporting franchises and hat sizes. Those twiddly little New York Yankees, from the MLB are second, valued at only $7.1 billion. Both American football and baseball are fundamentally one market businesses, which gives a good indication of why F1 needs to be in the US market.

The fact that the biggest F1 team is worth no more than $1.5 billion gives a clear indication that there is potential for more. And the TV rights revenues back this up. F1 made $780 million last year from TV revenues, the NFL recently concluded a 10-year $110 billion deal and the National Basketball Association (NBA) is hoping to land a new deal for the next decade at $75 billion.

Small wonder there is so much competition to attract fans. Americans, however, have big appetite for sports.

One does not need to be Hercule Poirot to spot that Americans also have big appetites full stop. Quantity very much trumps quality. Having polished off a relatively small steak, I was asked if I fancied a dessert. The waiter proposed a deep-fried cheesecake, which I rejected on the grounds that my arteries will be as clogged as a Q1 session and went for the healthy option: chocolate brownies with whipped cream, ice cream and chocolate sauce.

I felt suitably virtuous as a result…

Anyway, F1 is not doing badly at the moment, despite the best efforts of the FIA to cause trouble. I noted that last week Citigroup upgraded the Liberty Media F1 stock (otherwise known as FWONK)  from “neutral” to “buy”. The bank says that it expects F1 revenue growth of eight percent a year. If I didn’t spend all of my money travelling to races, I think I would buy shares, as I cannot see how they will go down in value.

Still, in F1 one must always be ready for and accepting of surprises. I remember August 1st last year when I was driving home from Hungary. I had decided to do the 1,000-mile trip in a day in order to get home to be a surprise attendee at a family event and so I set off at about four in the morning and drove… and drove. I was somewhere near Munich when I heard that Fernando Alonso has signed for Aston Martin, which came as a shock. I was not the only one who was caught out by the Spaniard’s Amon-Ra-like sidestep, which was followed by the news that Oscar Piastri had jumped ship from Alpine as well.

This left the team with its trousers around its ankles and a seat to fill. In the end they had to pay Red Bull to release Pierre Gasly, who was under contract with AlphaTauri until the end of 2023.

I thought of this when I heard that a well known Spanish  F1 journalist declared himself excited by a rumour he had heard on Sunday night, but was unwilling to say more. It did not take long to hear from Spain that Alonso may be about to embark on some more fancy footwork, with the suggestion being that he is not going to stay at Aston Martin in 2024, although he is supposed to have “a multi-year contract”. The word is that he could pop up next year at Red Bull.

This would strengthen the champion team and at the same time blow a torpedo-sized hole in the Aston Martin challenge. So that would be a double whammy.  The green team has gone off the boil big time this season, after an exciting start, and it is hard to imagine that Lance Stroll is going to step up and lead the team to glory. The best driver with experience would be… Sergio Perez.

Who knows if this is all contractually possible, but multi-year contracts traditionally have options and when Fernando signed for Aston Martin, they needed him more than he needed them… so he probably got the terms he wanted. I am pretty sure he would have wanted an exit strategy in case the team was not up to much.

It would be a move that makes sense for Red Bull because Perez has not done what he needed to do and although Daniel Ricciardo’s revival has looked quite good, hiring Fernando would probably be better. Red Bull would need to handle the drivers carefully, as Alonso can be prickly but at 42 he is not going to stick around forever… so he would fit the bill nicely until Red Bull has secured someone younger. Paying off Perez, who is reckoned to earn about $8 million a year, might not even be necessary. Driver contracts these days tend to have performance clauses based on percentages of a team-mate’s score. After the Mexico City GP, Perez’s 240 points were equivalent to 48.8 percent of Max Verstappen’s total of 491. If Perez is required to score at least 50 percent of the points of his team-mate, this could be grounds for the contract to be cancelled, without the need for compensation.

This is speculation, but it is based on the logic employed in the contracts.

Perez’s popularity counts in his favour, of course, but the decision by Red Bull to put Daniel Ricciardo into the AlphaTauri team was seen by many as a way to see whether Daniel would be a good replacement for Perez. The fact that Daniel out-qualified Sergio in Mexico was significant, as it is clear that the AlphaTauri is not as good a car as the Red Bull. Perez then crashed at the first corner trying to pull off a rather desperate move, while Daniel was able to finish seventh and help AlphaTauri move up from 10th to eighth in the Constructors’ Championship.

Would Red Bull refuse a proposal from Alonso? Such a move would blow up the driver market to some extent and most people would be happy to see Fernando taking the fight to Verstappen next year if the team is still as dominant as it is today.

If you look at the numbers it adds up. At the moment the 10 teams split $1.157 billion of prize money between them. The difference between the Constructors’ Champion and the second-placed team is in the region of $10 million, although there may be additional success payments that we do not know about, such as consecutive title bonuses. In other words, getting rid of Perez would cost less that finishing second in the Constructors’ title in 2024 because he could not deliver enough points. That is a good incentive.

Red Bull was in the news again over the weekend regarding its planned new wind tunnel facility in Milton Keynes. The story was that the team has withdrawn its planning application, which led to speculation that the project was being cancelled. Far from it. The truth is that the team has managed to find a unit adjacent to the main Red Bull Racing facility, which means that the windtunnel can be next to the drawing office. This has been achieved by Red Bull reaching agreement to buy the Trek Bicycle Corporation building. The change of plans will cause some delay, but the work should still be completed in time to design the new 2026 car.

The interesting thing is that the original site is still owned by Red Bull, even if it is adjacent to the Red Bull campus but not quite in it. The word is that this will now be redesigned and will become the new British end of the Scuderia Alpha Tauri operations, although the team will be changing its name next year. This means that SAT can transfer the current staff from the current facility in Bicester, 25 miles to the west of the Red Bull campus, and take on new people as well. They might even be able to reduce the catering bills by sharing canteens… The move will mean that Red Bull will be able to use the new wind tunnel for both of its teams for the foreseeable future, although it is likely that in the medium term the commercial agreements will eventually be tweaked to stop a single entity from owning two F1 teams and that the technical rules will also be changed to redefine the term “constructor” to include the requirement to manufacture more parts of the car, which will mean that teams will no longer be able to buy as much as is currently the case from a rival.

The goal of this will be to make the 10 teams stronger and more self-sufficient, and thus give them more value and more chance of success. This will probably be included in the Concorde Agreement that will run from 2030 onwards, which will give all the teams the chance to invest to create the facilities that they will need. Given the increasing value of the teams, the money required will be easier to justify.

Much of the focus in F1 technical matters today is on what happens in 2026. There has been a change at Alpine with the appointment of Eric Meignan as the new technical director for the Renault F1 engine operation in Viry-Chatillon at the start of October. The team took the odd decision not to talk about this which was bizarre given that any news at Alpine would be seen as good news after the blood-letting in the summer. But it seems that the team wants to stay quiet and let the results do the talking. Doing a better job in 2024 will not be easy because the Renault engine is the weakest and with the development of the current power units frozen until the end of 2025, there is little scope to improve. The best way to find performance is to create a better car that will mask the power unit limitations.

Meignan is expected to focus his attention on the 2026 project.

The FIA stayed out of the spotlight in Mexico – the President did not make the trip. Oddly, the Deputy President (Sport) was not there either and the FIA seemed to be represented only by a bloke from a minor automobile club who is famous for pocketing handfuls of peanuts at gala events, and by someone who is not employed by the federation but keeps turning up wearing FIA clothing. I haven’t checked the regulations to see if one is allowed to impersonate FIA officials, but if we did this sort of thing in real life, we’d be arrested for pretending to be police officers. I know this to be true because Dave, the former Honda F1 chef, was once put in jail in Monaco for turning up, dressed as a Monaco policemen, and telling the F1 truckies to stop blocking the roads. The curry he left on the stove ended up burning… Still, this might give the (independent) FIA Stewards the chance to test out their new powers to fine offenders €1 million.

The federation did issue a complex amendment to the 2026 engine rules to head off a potential problem with teams using their oil suppliers to conduct dyno testing, which is not  covered by the current regulations.

A lot of the limited paddock chatter in Mexico related to a story in the German news magazine Der Spiegel suggesting that the Audi project could be cancelled. It was reported that the new Audi CEO Gernot Döllner is not interested in F1. This may be true but that does not mean that he has the power to stop it. He has said nothing on the subject because, it seems, there is a convention in the VW group that executives in new positions do not make any public statements in their first 100 days in office.  However the CFO of Audi Jürgen Rittersberger has said that the various boards had taken the decision and there is no change to the project. He came out with these remarks when presenting the company’s Q3 results which revealed that Audi sold 1.4 millions cars, up 15 percent compared to the same period last year. The company had revenues for the nine-months of $53.5 billion (a big improvement) and made an operating profit of $4.8 billion. This is down a little on last year, but quitting F1 would mean writing off a lot of money and would be seriously damaging for the firm’s image and credibility.

Perhaps the project is behind schedule and the results of initial power units tests have been disappointing, but buying an F1 team is a good investment at the moment as valuations soar and can be good for Audi’s sales and image if the programme is taken seriously.

Down at Sauber (which will become the Audi team at some point) there seems to be little happening in the way of investment with the Swiss team working on this year’s car but seemingly cruising towards its next name change as Alfa Romeo fades out of F1. There is no sign at all of Alfa Romeo doing anything else in F1 in 2024 and the speculation is that the firm will turn to the World Endurance Championship in the future with one rumour being that it will take over the Peugeot LMH project in 2026 as the Alfa Romeo is a sexier brand in the sport than stodgy old Peugeot, which said recently that it is sticking to its mass-market appeal, rather than trying to increase sales by creating low-volume halo brands and models.

As I am writing this column news has broken that Mercedes’s Chief Technical Officer Mike Elliott has decided to leave the team after 11 years. He says that he has no destination planned and is intending to have some time off before looking at what to do next.

The same can be said about Otmar Szafnauer, formerly the Team Principal of Alpine, who was back in the paddock in Mexico for the second consecutive race, clearly looking for something to do in the future. The smart money suggests that his most likely destinations are either with Ford in its alliance with Red Bull Powertrains, or helping Honda as it begins its programme to supply Aston Martin or whatever the Silverstone team will be called in 2026, if the current ownership decides to cash in on the F1 boom and cash out… If it stays as Aston Martin with the Stroll family in charge, it is hard to imagine that Szafnauer will return, but you can never say never in F1.

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58 thoughts on “Green Notebook from Aspen Creek

  1. I wouldn’t call the Spanish journalist (I think it was Albert Fabrega?) who started the rumour in question ‘excited’. In fact, he said he hoped it wasn’t true, which makes me doubt the Alonso to Red Bull whispers.

  2. I wouldn’t call the Spanish journalist (I think it was Albert Fabrega?) who started the rumour in question ‘excited’. In fact, he said he hoped it wasn’t true, which makes me doubt the Alonso to Red Bull whispers.

      1. Next day he clarified that personally he doesn’t want the rumour to become true, but maybe he sees this movement to Red Bull as something negative for Alonso, I don’t know

      1. Yes, but aren’t they going to sit down with FOM and pitch them why they should be the 11th team and having people like them on board would help them, right?

  3. Joe, any chance that once the gardening leave is done that we might see Mike Elliot join Loic Serra in some capacity in Maranello. Or is he not a guy Fred Vasseur is looking for?

  4. Presumably this is all fairly dependent on someone having a word with Max to make sure he’s ok with it. Mentioning to him “If all your championships are won in the best car with a quesitonable team mate” would probably do it, and pointing out that if him and Fernando don’t get along, Red Bull will always side with youth and Alonso would be shown the door.

    I am somewhat stunned at the Aston loss of form though. Given their development path for the last 18 months has been the second strongest in F1 apart from McLaren, to suddenly get an upgrade completely wrong seems bizzare.

    1. The rumours I hear on five live are that they successfully copied the previous Red Bull, but have not been able to understand the concept well enough to develop it. Hence they are now going backwards, or rather the other teams are going forwards and they are standing still.

  5. Fábrega said he didn’t want the rumor to happen so I think is about Alonso retiring.

    Its been two Mondays since I signed up to the newsletter where can I check the subscription status ?

  6. A typo: the “Texas Roundhouse restaurants” should be “Texas Roadhouse” even though their food may pack quite a digestive punch.

  7. Did Amon-Ra St. Brown’s fancy footwork include a rather leisurely looking spin that secured him a nice high position on the grid(iron)?

  8. Is it possible that the FOM is pressuring Red Bull to have at least a replay of the intra-team battle between Hamilton and Rosberg (MV vs. FA this time around) instead of one-sided demolition like this year?

  9. Excellent all always.

    Here are my thoughts:

    I don’t see RB taking on Alonso. Alonso, is not Fangio. Nor, does MV need a teammate like Alonso.

    Understand, having 10 teams that are solid is desirable. But, teams like Haas and Sauber (Audi) are not distinguishing themselves. I say take on another team and force the others to raise their game.

    Being American I can say there is an oversaturation of sports offering. It’s a case of more is less and less is more. Now, it’s all about the money.

    Sorry, I am going to miss your video. Participated in one and it was a great experience.

    1. Agree about the American sports saturation; I may be the only Yank who is not interested in ball sports and never watches football et al. I do subscribe to F1 TV though….. Still, I think the F1 season is too long with too many races (and don’t get me going about ‘sprint’ weekends…).

  10. Any large scale extraction of $ from American fan-dumb will be temporary. With yourself being among the limited exceptions, F1, FOM and Planet Paddock are blissfully ignorant and high minded about America, it’s sports cultures, spending habits and trends.

    America has always had a very hard core and loyal Formula 1 fan base that is interested in the racing, the technology, the performance and dare I say it, some of Bernie’s exclusivity. The money we spend is on tickets and travel and team shirts like Jordan or Rothman’s Williams, or Bennetton or even Senna. This is something that even Liberty’s American owners don’t understand.

    The current Generation Netflix F1 fans are more like Danica Patrick. They open their mouths and can parrot the latest press releases, rumors or superficially obvious facts without understanding anything below the surface, which is where 90% of the intrigue of F1 lies.

    I for one have given up on attending races. They’ve always been expensive, but while I could afford to go to the Miami or Lost Wages (LV) races, there’s no way I’m paying those prices to go to a parking lot or bunkered off streets, having to mingle with Tik-Tok tramps, social influencers and thousands more who think they are. Even COTA has become much more hassle than it’s worth.

    Liberty and F1 are not cultivating fans in America. Instead of planting grass seeds and taking care of the patch of dirt, they are laying down a carpet of artificial turf going for an immediate look of green. Some of those transient fans have already moved on and have bought Messi shirts and are paying for AppleTV instead of F1TV (Because F1 is free on ESPN).

    The question is whether those of us who have been F1 faithful since watching Senna’s ruthlessness, through the Schumacher and Vettel domination years will have given up when the Max domination ends and F1 returns to the niche sport it always was, albeit one with a smaller hard core base.

    1. “I for one have given up on attending races. They’ve always been expensive, but while I could afford to go to the Miami or Lost Wages (LV) races, there’s no way I’m paying those prices to go to a parking lot or bunkered off streets, having to mingle with Tik-Tok tramps, social influencers and thousands more who think they are. Even COTA has become much more hassle than it’s worth.”

      My thoughts exactly. I even had an opportunity to go to COTA this year. Decided to back out because I realized the fun factor wasn’t going to be there (I attended COTA in their first year and loved it). Which is kind of sad in a way. I now spend my spectator money on IMSA races — Rolex 24, Six Hours of the Glen, Petite Le Mans. Way more bang for the buck. Way less hassle for the buck, too…

    2. Long-time, middle aged racing fans are not the audience Liberty are looking for. They may have short attention spans but the Netflix generation are far more numerous and bring with them far more spending power.

  11. Do you expect 2026 to be the real “changing of the guard” year with several older/long time drivers heading for the exits? Think Alonso, Bottas, the Haas boys and even Hamilton. The upcoming F2 crop as well as the existing reserve drivers constitute an excellent pool of replacements.

  12. A very small quibble: it’s “Texas Roadhouse”, not “Roundhouse.” TR is the McDonald’s of steakhouses in the US. They’re everywhere.

  13. Aston Martin cars lost another £117m in the last three months – £81k per car sold – and Aston Martin Racing lost £52m last year.

    AMR is dropping down the WCC rankings, every ‘upgrade’ is a downgrade – one seat blocked by slow son.

    Even Stroll cannot keep those plates spinning much longer – it is a dog’s breakfast.

    1. Aren’t Aston Martin Cars a completely different business from the F1 team, and have different funding streams.
      My view on Lance is that maybe you are correct, but I have a feeling he was still struggling with his health a few races ago, some onboard footage looks as if he has some arm limitation.
      I wonder how much of the current comments are related to Stroll Senior personality? Not all journalism is as balanced as Joe’s which is why we are all here commenting.

  14. in 1998 40m people watched game 7 of the NBA finals, in 2020 7m people watched. the average team values over that period have gone from $200m to $3.8b

  15. how for once one can lobby to keep Andretti out and Haas in? I dont think all those sayings Andretti might be bad has any justice – look at Haas – if apply the same criteria to Haas – they have no place at all in F1. So get on FOM and get Andretti in. Otherwise you look two faced eels

  16. Top teams are converging pace wise, RB will need decent pedlars in both cars next year. Can’t think a more exciting prospect than seeing Fred aloneside Max.

  17. Alonso to Red Bull makes as much sense as Hamilton to Red Bull. Given Alonso’s proclivity to tearing teams apart I doubt Christian Horner would want to manage the nuclear eruptions of whenever Max and Fernando clashed on track or when either of them managed to do a “Piquet Hungary ’86” to the other. No doubt he would be more consistent than Checo but it would appear to better to have someone like Ricciardo – who appears happy to operate in the same manner as Gerhard Berger did to Senna towards Max for a couple of years – before retiring from F1 with some additional Red Bull moola in his bank account.

  18. Aston Martin haven’t been in good shape for decades. I remember the Aston Martin Lagonda that was supposed to be the saviour of the brand. It needs some decent management & perhaps some cars in the £50K range like BMW or Mercedes. How they achieve that is a different matter. As far as Stroll Junior is concerned, he’s been up against Alonso & that’s a serious task for anyone to get one up on Alonso. It would be best for Lance to leave F1 & do something else, there’s plenty of talent waiting in the wings.

    1. The only way to produce a car that sells for around $60k USD is to make a lot of them, which Aston can’t do, so that’s right out. Probably best to sell the business on to someone with deep pockets – which will probably soon happen.

      1. The trouble is that Aston are in a position that they’re not an exclusive brand that builds maybe 50-100 cars a year & charge the appropriate cost nor is it a volume manufacturer that make 100,000 plus a year. It’s in no man’s land, they have to make a judgement on what they want to be. Morgan Cars are a similar operation in that they charge around £70K for a Plus 4 or around £50K for their Super 3 trike. Obviously Morgan are a little different as they don’t have a billionaire backer. I just wonder if Aston need to take a step back & ask themselves “what do they want to achieve & who are they marketing their cars to?” Aston is a mess & they need to sort themselves out. That applies to the F1 team as well. What does Joe think?

  19. Amon-Ra is actually an Egyptian god. In fact, he we was *the* Egyptian god – king of all the other gods.

    I think that American footballers parents were over-reaching a bit when naming their son.

    1. Perhaps his mother wanted to be a cheerleader for the late New Zealand Ferrari, March and Matra (etc) driver! We won’t mention the undriveable 1973 machine.

  20. Checco is very personable guy, but, at best, he was only ever a journeyman driver. He comes for free, plus a little extra, courtesy of Sr C Slim. I don’t see FA coming for free and more than likely would want most of the $10million difference between coming 1st and 2nd in the WCC, together with a don’t mess with Max order.

    One would never like to second-guess the thinking of Dr Marko, but moving Danny Ric. back to the top team and allowing Liam Lawson another crack at STR (or whatever) would seem to make some sense.

    I am sure there are plenty of venues that would like to take the place of Mexico City as their seats suddenly become empty.

    1. If you were a 42 year old (multi-millionaire) driver desperate to win 1 more title to cement your legacy, would you really turn down a seat in the fastest car over money?

  21. Hi Joe,
    thank you for yet another very insightful notebook. With regards to Alpine, I came across this 2 hours interview with Cyril Abiteboul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFECMLU0YDg.
    He speaks about his time in F1 in a very candid way, fully aware of his shortcomings and very gracious with others. He eloquently describes the complexities of Renault engagement in F1 and comes across as much more likeable character than in Drive to survive.

  22. Hi Joe, watching Perez’ performance against Verstappen at Red Bull do you think we should re-evaluate Bottas’ time alongside Hamilton? I wasn’t a fan of Bottas, but he achieved considerably more than what Perez has managed up against a top line driver. PM

  23. Hi Joe, were you in the room the other day when Alonso made reference to the journalists that were present when he warned of consequences arising due to the rumours about him and Red Bull ?

      1. Hi Joe, so if you weren’t in the room could Alonso’s comment (“So, all the rumours are coming from people that are not in this room…….”) possibly be directed at you, and others, for giving credence to the rumour by writing and commenting about it ?

          1. Hi Joe, what are the chances of you securing a one to one interview with Alonso to discuss this and any other interesting topics ?

  24. Uncle Joe, you comment regarding RB and SAT sharing catering budgets was the winner of the internet today… well done

  25. Why is the Vegas race on so late? Spectacle? Local ordinance? Allow other patrons on the strip to get home safely? Brits can watch over breakfast?

  26. Regarding the Audi thing. Their F1 project doesn’t quite align with their commitment to BEVs, which BTW aren’t going particularly well. Then again, the fully-electric-plan was probably already in motion when they made the Sauber deal. As you write it would make much more sense for VAG that Porsche, with their comiitment to IECs and e-fuels, goes F1 racing. Will we see an Audi Porsche Sauber share swap? 😎

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