Reality in Brackley

If one ignores the pie-in-the-sky theories and the wishful thinking that is going on at the moment on the Internet, Mercedes really doesn’t have a lot of choices with regard to drivers for 2017. People forget that F1 has long had a system of protecting contracted parties with its Contract Recognition Board (CRB).

Teams accept that they will respect the decisions of this body when they sign their commercial deals with the Formula One group, when they enter the World Championship and in the driver contracts. Drivers agree to accept the CRB decisions when they sign their team contracts. This also means that all parties agree to expressly submit themselves to the exclusive jurisdiction of the CRB and not go to any other legal bodies, such as the High Court. So, in effect, this means that a driver can get out of a contract that has been lodged with the CRB only if there are specific clauses in the contract to allow him to do so; or if the team and the driver can reach a suitable arrangement that means that the contract is declared null and void by both parties. This can happen, but usually involves rather considerable amounts of money changing hands.

The CRB is designed to protect both the teams and the drivers and, generally, it has worked extremely well. So, even if a driver decides that he wants to stop driving for a certain team, for example, he can do that, but he cannot then go off and drive for someone else, until the original contract is finished.

So, it is safe to assume that all the big names at Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull and Renault are stuck where they are. The negotiations for the release of a driver is therefore largely down to money. This effectively means that anyone in the back half of the grid can be poached, if there is a big enough cheque involved.

The retirement of Nico Rosberg means that the Mercedes team has something like $15 million (plus bonuses) available to find a suitable replacement, as Rosberg will not be getting the money that was budgeted for him. Obviously, Mercedes would like to hold on to this money and employ someone cheaper as a saving of $10 million is $10 million in the bank. Thus, if there is a free agent, who is a good enough and will accept a contract worth $5 million (or less), Mercedes will be in a good position. Does anyone fit the bill?

It is extremely unlikely that Mercedes would look beyond the current F1 driver pool, so we can exclude some of the sillier suggestions of drivers from GP2, DTM, IndyCar and so on. We can probably also exclude the two F1 drivers who are retiring from F1 this year: Jenson Button and Felipe Massa. They are the past, not the future.

Looking down the World Championship finishing order, it is clear that Dan Ricciardo, Sebastian Vettel, Max Verstappen and Kimi Raikkonen are all contracted for 2017. Next in the pecking order are Sergio Perez and Valtteri Bottas. It is unlikely that Force India would agree to part with Perez because there is a large amount of sponsorship tied to the Mexican, even if Mercedes could replace some of that funding with a better engine deal, or whatever. It does not help that Force India did not want Pascal Wehrlein because he might also be offered to the team as part of a deal.

Mercedes has been planning for a long time to bring on its two junior drivers, to one day replace its big name stars, but there is a very decent argument that neither is yet ready to step in to the factory car. Indeed, it would be potentially disastrous to put in a youngster who is not ready, as it might end up destroying their F1 career. Esteban Ocon’s deal with Force India is designed to give him two years to mature and then be available to Mercedes in 2019. As I understand it, he cannot get out of the deal before then, unless there is a financial settlement and Mercedes will not want to pay more than the money that Rosberg’s departure has released. Max Verstappen has shown that it is not impossible for a youngster to step straight in to a top car, but not everyone is Max Verstappen…

The man who is probably most likely to get the Mercedes drive is Valtteri Bottas, who is in the fifth year of a five-year Williams contract. His salary will not be enormous. He is also managed by a company in which Toto Wolff is a shareholder and the Austrian has always had a strong interest in Valtteri’s career. This might raise questions of corporate governance issues for Mercedes but Wolff does not need to be the one negotiating the deal. Niki Lauda can do that.

What would be in it for Williams? Well, the simple answer is money, and the slightly longer answer is money and a closer relationship with Mercedes-Benz. Money can be in the form of cheaper power units, straight cash or even the provision of a replacement driver for free, or a combination of the three. In other words, Williams might be able to ask Mercedes for $10 million to release Bottas and Mercedes would not be losing any money if Bottas was willing to accept $5 million in salary. Frankly, Williams might even get $15 million if Mercedes gave Williams $10 million and Bottas paid the team his first year Mercedes salary, in order for him to get into a winning car. Mercedes might also offer Williams Pascal Wehrlein as a replacement.

At the same time, there is also the fact that a Williams refusal to let Bottas go might not be wise thing in the long-term as Mercedes is not obliged to supply its engines to Williams beyond the term of the contract (whatever that may be) and so it might be wise for Team Willy to stay sweet with Mercedes and get as much as it can, without pushing too far. If Bottas was to move on, Felipe Nasr might be a decent option because he might be able to revive some of his sponsorships if he was going to get into a Williams. Thus, the team could end up with a massive budgetary hike if it lets Bottas go and the money gained could then be used to make the team more competitive in the longer term. Mercedes would benefit from a stronger Williams as it would provide more competition for Mercedes’s rivals – and take points away from them.

The other two names that ought be considered as possibles are Carlos Sainz and Romain Grosjean. The Spanish driver is contracted to Red Bull, but it might consider a buy-out because Sainz’s progress is now hindered by the presence of Ricciardo and Verstappen and Red Bull has a replacement ready in the form of Pierre Gasly. But Red Bull has invested a lot in its young drivers and will not be overly keen to sell them cheaply, so a  buyout of Carlos’s contract would not be cheap.

Grosjean is the only driver known to have a “top team” get-out clause in his contract, but what is not clear is whether this clause is Ferrari-specific, or could allow him to go to Mercedes as well. If there is a non-specific clause then Grosjean could be free and would be a decent and easy choice for Mercedes. We know he is a very capable driver and he is hungry for his first win, having come close several times in the past.

While it is not a primary consideration for most drivers, it would be wise for whoever take the seat to get a two-year deal (which would then match what Rosberg had) as a one-year deal might do the replacement more harm than good because stepping into a new team is not always as easy as it sounds and it takes time to settle in.

We will see what happens now, but the smart money seems to be on a deal that will see Bottas moving on and Williams getting a big financial boost. We expect a decision sooner rather than later as the more time a new driver gets with a team, the better he will be in March.

272 thoughts on “Reality in Brackley

  1. Jenson Button might consider a return to his old team for one year as it would suit them both. Mercedes get a bridge to 2018 and a bunch of expired contracts and a mature driver who won’t get put off by Hamilton and Button gets to drive something at the sharp end of the grid.

    1. No chance.Besides all Button will be saying on the radio is “I haven’t got any rear end grip “. He will not be on the Mercedes list.
      Button is heading for Tri Athletic competition as he stated to David C on Channel 4 F1 “I’m done with F1 and going to enjoy my freedom”.

    2. Jenson looked very ready to step away from F1 at the end of the year. I can’t see him wanting to come back and even if he did, his contract at McLaren is sure to stipulate where and what he can race in 2017. There’s no way they’ll have left him free to compete in F1 for another team next year.

      1. I think Joe knows best. Having said that it’s a pity, on one level, Jenson couldn’t have paired up with Lewis again in a competitive car, a sort of dream team, commercially at least. It’s highly unlikely but, bearing mind recent changes in McLaren’s hierarchy, I wouldn’t have thought it a problem to release Jenson from his contractual commitments.

    3. Definitely not Bottas. Reason being Mercedes are anticipating more equal performance with rival teams next year and a solid no.2 isn’t the way to go. If u have a very dominant car, sure it’s a good pairing. When Toto says about considering Alonso, u sense he wants and needs a top driver, not a no.2.

      So in my view, that leaves the rookies and Bottas out. Sainz is also out as no way RB will release him to a rival team. Remember, Sainz gave Verstappen as much problems as Ric did. It shows how good he is.

      Grosjean is a possibility but I can’t see many benefits from Haas releasing him cos ultimately, it teams up with Ferrari.

      My final take is Button. His only lack of motivation was the car. Give him a fast car and he will want to drive it any day. The Mclaren obligation also seems possible to walk away from as it’s just a non driver role.

      Having said all that, there’s also the last resort thing where u can’t get anything so u settle for the least attractive option, which is their rookies.

      Point is there are so many factors at play but i get the sense, it has to be a top driver.

      1. Beyond the statement from McLaren that Button will be retained under contract for the 2017 season but not as one of the team’s drivers the terms of the agreement between team and employee are unknown to us, and it may well be the case that there are provisions in the agreement that compel him to make himself available to race should McLaren require his services for whatever reason. Moreover, there is no rule in contracts of service that gives to the employee the right to cast off his obligations should a better opportunity unrelated to his current work present itself: any such right would have to be specifically provided for in the terms agreed between the parties and – if we speculate that the parties negotiated on the inclusion of such a provision – McLaren aren’t known for agreeing to terms that have the capacity to both rob them of having to hand the skills and experience of a world champion and simultaneously aid the prospects of a team with whom they may be in competition for points and perhaps even race wins.

        While the contractual barriers to Button driving for AMG Mercedes are unknown to the public, I think that by far the greatest obstacle to him winning the drive is something that even those of us – such as me – who are very fond of JB must concede is that, in the latter stages of the season, there appeared to be a palpable lack of desire to fully exploit the capacity of his car, something that was consistently highlighted by the consistently far superior performances of Alonso in an equivalent car.

  2. Why is everybody discounting Wehrlein so quickly? It was curious how involved Mercedes were in finding a seat for (20-year old) Ocon, while apparently neglecting Wehrlein, although up till now they have invested quite a bit into his career. He did win DTM for them and did pretty well this year, so it seemed strange they would just let him linger at Manor for another year… But now it all makes sense.

    1. Because Force India did not want him and took Ocon instead. Obviously there are things about Wehrlein that need to be corrected before he moves up the ladder. Clearly he is a talented guy, but there seem to be some problems with his attitude. Drivers learn for these kind of knock-backs, as we have seen in the past with, for example, Felipe Massa.

      1. But what if he was not really available to Force India, because Mercedes knew already…it is my small private conspiracy theory. I guess we will know soon enough one way or the other.

          1. Been covering the DTM in situ for the least two and a half years now, and what was already said about Pascal in late 2014 was that he really needed to improve his communication skills at all levels with the team (persona, technical and, say, commercial). In 2015, things got better in the first half of the year, as he was the main driver of Mercedes, but then, the second part of the year he went back to being very nervous and lacking communication, which is something which he seemed to get with him to Manor.

            Somebody told me if he went ot Merc he’d be working with more Germans than Englishmen, but not sure up to what extent that’d be true.

        1. As far as I’m aware, Rosberg only informed the team last Tuesday, the 29th, so any decisions taken re: Wehrlein and Ocon weren’t influenced by that.

        2. Ales, may I ask a question? Why did you proffer an opinion about why Wehrlein was over looked for the FI seat when Joe has reported that it was his attitude that was the sticking point? I regularly see comments on here that seem to think Joe is one of the armchair experts that they are used to arguing with in comments sections. Are you confused as to what his position is in the media, even after reading his blog for any length of time?

          It’s confusing to see people argue points that rely on insider information, as if they are as informed as Joe is or have the proximity that he has to the stories in F1. Regardless of whether you like or disagree with his information surely it should be obvious that as visitors to this site we simply do not personally have the information to contradict or challenge the information he provides. I wouldn’t tell my doctor how to treat my ills simply because I enjoy watching House M.D on the TV.

          1. Well, it happens to be my opinion that if Daimler bankrolled Wehrlein’s career through F3, DTM, and into Formula 1, it would be strange for them to stuck him at Manor. He is older and more experienced than Ocon, and I think that both of them did a nice job this year. Plenty of drivers had ‘attitude’ over the years and it did not stop some of them to become World Champions. I may be completely wrong, but it was my impression that I am free to express my point of view here even if it does not correspond to that of JS. I am well aware of who he is, by the way, and he certainly is among those I respect. He may be right and Bottas may get that seat, which would be fine with me. But until we know, can we possibly agree to disagree?

            1. The purpose of the blog is to amuse and inform. It is not really a forum but people always seem to want to give their opinion. That is fine, but I do not have the time to explain to everyone why I think as I do. It is there in the articles. Still, as long as you remain polite with one another I have no problem with people exchanging opinions. But I cannot explain to everyone why something is right or wrong and I’m simply not going to respond to people who ask questions that have been answered in the blog items. If you all prefer to have more interaction I can put up a pay wall and earn some money and thus have more time to get into these things… It’s probably the future, because journalists need to earn money.

                1. Joe, Talking of amuse and inform and the comment “Maybe you could take the seat Joe. It would help pay the bills!” Have you ever raced?

            2. The issue is most certainly not your right to express an opinion, which, as you state, are free to do. But what you did was challenge information, and still are, from a journalist, who has the proximity and connections to bring you the actual reason for the snub. You are questioning his version of events. That is not offering an opinion. It is making the clear statement that you question his information and furthermore suggest that you may have the right information that he has missed. Readers simply have to acquiesce to his position, unless they are in a better position to challenge his sources and if that is the case, where are your FIA credentials and website? That is all I have to say on the matter.

      2. Interesting insight indeed, Joe would be great if you wrote a blog post about the softskills of the modern F1 Driver. Pascal Wehrlein has a reputation of a great driver but not good when integrating into the team (heard something similiar during his DTM days). Would love to hear more about what exactly are the skills or the traits that are missing or generally what makes the Modern F1 driver complete

      3. Surely he’ll more than behave well if he gets the Merc seat. Signing Wehrlein will save Mercedes-Benz lot of financial headache. Getting other driver, paying that team off, buying seat for Wehrlein….too much…one solution. If it doesn’t work out in 2017, they can put Wehrlein back in Dtm. Easy peasy!

        1. Keshu4eva>
          > Signing Wehrlein will save Mercedes-Benz lot of financial headache.

          Initially yes, but overall that would depend on how many places in the Constructors Championship they consequently fell (relative to having hired, say, Bottas) and thus how much less prize money they thus earned.

          1. Surely I’ll expect Wehrlein to be consistently be around podium if not on it, he talented enough. If Mercedes stays on same performance level, this will be enough.

    2. Ocon seems to have gotten the Force India drive because they and Mercedes rate him as a better prospect than Wehrlein. It’s hard to justify giving him a drive in the top team when you know your other young driver has a bit more potential.

  3. Joe again succinct and great insight to the F1 driver and team contracts.
    Bottas Sainz Grosjean or Perez Ocon Wehrlein
    That’s a nice gaggle of driver choices. Lauda has said they’ll pick the driver for Rosberg seat sharpish. Or do you think they’ll wait until after the New Year?
    Lewis and Wehrlein may be an excellent choice and may also up the brand name having two drivers of colour in the team (that would be a first in F1). No doubt the idiotic posters on other sites will be doing their upmost in their overtly extremist points of view masquerading as sporting comments.
    I reckon it would a great pairing for F1 and motorsport in general .

    1. They will want to get a decision sharpish because there will be contracts to be agreed, and that isn’t the work of a moment. They also will need a seat fitting and manufacture, again not a quick thing, especially in December when composites are working their asses off making parts and spares for the new cars. There’s also possibly other things to change like steering wheel and pedals if the chosen candidate is a different stature to rosberg or hamilton.

  4. No mention of Wehrlein getting the Mercedes drive. Joe, are you saying that he doesn’t have a chance of the job or you just didn’t want to mention the obvious as he has no contract?

      1. Yes but only about getting a place at Force India or Williams, not at Mercedes. Yes, Force India passed on him, but as it was their decision and not Mercedes’s, the heads at Brackley and Stuttgart might choose him.
        I agree with you that Bottas could and should be the favorite, but I think it will be a close call between these two (although my personal preference would be Ocon), and you didn’t mention Wehrlein in that respect.

  5. How will stumbling around in a Manor for another year dicing with Sauber’s be of any use to Wehrlien’s development?

    Give him his 2 year deal and toss him into the deep end, sink or swim. And if he and the team struggle with the new regs ( highly unlikely IMHO) Lewis will have a convenient pattsy to point his finger at. 🙂

      1. Yes you did Joe, I was agreeing with you, only pointing out that it would be sink or swim time for the lad if his attitude or skills proved lacking.

        As to Grosjean’s possibilities, his temper tantrums this year with Haas may have raised eyebrows in a negative way, or conversely may have increased his value if taken as a frustrated competitor.

        All in all I agree, it’s a toss up between Bottas and Wehrlien, depending on MB’s priorities.

        Thank you

  6. Joe, nice summary of the position. The only problem I see is that it leaves WIlliams with two inexperienced drivers at the point of a major rules change.

    Even though Williams believe that the car’s the star, I’m not convinced they would go for a deal like this.

      1. @Joe Saward said “As the article says Nasr could go there..”

        Assuming you are correct and Nasr goes to Williams, and Bottas goes to Mercedes, do both teams have drivers with the necessary technical and development skills to cope with the new regulation cars of 2017. Even if Williams received a big bundle of cash, it looks as if they might be disadvantaged. Massa was considered to be a good development driver when he was at Ferrari, and he appears to have been an important contributor at Williams. Bottas never seemed to be mentioned in this respect. At Mercedes, Rosberg was always mentioned when it came to aspects of testing and development, with Lewis being ignored by the press. The same goes for talk about Alonso going to Mercedes. He is accused of sending Ferrari down the wrong path on many occasions. You might remember when Ferrrari had all the development parts etc on Alonso’s car and Massa was allowed to do his own set up, he outqualified and embarrassed Alonso, until the politics kicked in. As you indicate in the article, it’s much more than getting the fastest driver.

        1. It’s amazing what influence Alonso has in the team – he can be the one telling to design wrong suspension, engine with small turbo and the list continues. I bet you also assume hes the one working on machinery and manufacturing parts?

          1. @Alexis said in reply – “It’s amazing what influence Alonso has in the team – he can be the one telling to design wrong suspension, engine with small turbo and the list continues. I bet you also assume hes the one working on machinery and manufacturing parts?”

            Apart from sarcasm being the lowest form of wit…. You need to understand that initial design, and ongoing development are different matters. The driver has influence on what has to be corrected or developed following initial design. If the driver feedback is incorrect, the team will waste time working on the wrong thing. That certainly happened at Ferrari.

            1. Do you really believe what you are telling me? Ferrari had big issues with aero department (they still do), Ferrari had big issues with wind tunnel, Ferrari had big issues with engine design in 2014, there are tens of analysis about issues with management (including book by Brown/Parr) and you are blaming Alonso. Wow. Would this and last year prove that Vettel is much better than Alonso in terms of car design and development? I like gains Vettel has made with 2015 engine and 2016 aero – especially in the second part of this year.
              No Alonso didn’t ask for pull-rod in Ferrari – he did more than well with push-rod in 2002-2011, including Michelin and Bridgestone and Pirelli tyres as well.
              We are not in the era of Schumacher doing hundreds of laps a week in Fiorano and Maranello and working with engineers to develop a car anymore. Testing is gone – all that’s left is a simulator, CFD and 40/50% wind tunnel – where is pilot in this picture? Nowhere – exactly. Influence of pilot to car development is now minimal – mostly limited by testing parts on Friday. Anyhow there is always somebody named Alonso to blame. I suppose Alonso has also something to do with bad engine from Honda – probably he has requested and pointed them to wrong direction.

    1. This is why I think Alonso to Mercedes is a non-starter. Button looks done and there’s no way they’ll want to go into next year with Vandoorne and AN Other. I don’t think there’s any sum of money that will convince McLaren to part with Fernando – without a driver of that calibre it becomes very difficult to convincingly claim they are still a top team.

      Williams are probably more flexible. Stroll is greener than Vandoorne but keeping Mercedes sweet is a good idea from their perspective. They also have Paul di Resta as reserve, who would likely do a passable job of leading the team until they sort out something longer-term. There’s also the possibility of Mercedes giving them Wehrlein as a sweetener, which wouldn’t be exactly ideal but would at least give them a reasonably quick driver who isn’t completely green.

    1. Shame he had that made moment in Spa.
      Taking out how many cars in the process.
      Glad he has calmed down a bit since that mad bad crazy moment.

    2. Can I ask why?

      In 09 he got beaten by Alonso so severly the Renault sent him back to GP2 for another 2 years.

      In ’12 & ’13 he was convincingly beaten by Raikkonen who was crashing rally cars with Ferrari money for 2 years before that.

      He’s had bad cars since then but didn’t exactly destroy some decidely average team mates. In fact, where both drivers have finished races this year, Guiterez has been equally ahead.

      So I’m not sure why Grosjean would be considered ahead of Werhlein or even Bottas.

  7. Williams will have to weigh up whether they can risk Wehrlein in the position their points-winner occupied; essentially two young drivers is a risk. Which is why Nasr is a possibility as an insurance policy as a solid driver. The logic of Wehrlein at Sauber is challenging though; one assumes the 2017 car will be better than the 2016 car but it still doesn’t have a Mercedes engine, but thoughts must be that it’ll be a stronger contender than the 2017 Manor?

    1. If Williams loose Bottas I think it would really hinder their progress in 2017. Stroll will require strong leadership. Bottas is well embedded within the team. Nasr would take time to settle in, time which Williams don’t have.

      We already know that development throughout the season is difficult to achieve and they (Williams) will probably be at their strongest “out of the box” so more inclined to want to take advantage of Bottas’s team experience to capitalize immediately.

      Sure, the money will help them develop but considering they have already made a driver choice for financial reasons (Stroll) I cant help feeling a bit woeful at the circumstance that Williams will inevitably find themselves captured in!

          1. With due respect, the discussion was about the driver settling in the team. Nasr has been in the team already, knows the people, knows his way around and is held in high regard. Of course, he did not drive as much as Bottas at Williams, but that is not even part of the discussion.

            What is important is that Bottas has done 77 races.
            Nasr has done 39.
            Wherlein has done 21.
            Stroll has done 0.

            Williams can always use the money.

            1. Yet somehow nobody mentions Nasr as a possible Mercedes driver… and nobody here includes me. I guess we all don’t see him jumping into a Mercedes at this point, whereas we (me, at least) would like to see him in a Williams…

  8. I like Bottas and he seems like a pretty capable driver but this would be a pretty boring end to arguably the most exciting/shocking news of the season. (Joe even put an exclamation mark in the headline!)

  9. Largely overlooked in the Mercedes young driver pool is Robert Wickens, who should already be in F1 anyway.

    Alternatively they should be able to persuade Alexander Rossi out of his Andretti drive. Taking on an American might endear them to the new F1 owners as well.

    1. /Largely overlooked in the Mercedes young driver pool is Robert Wickens, who should already be in F1 anyway./

      Yeah, he is known for his reasonable experience with hybrids and 2017 F1 downforce levels.

      1. He has done one practice session for Virgin, when it was Virgin five years ago. He is not so young anymore either. I don’t think he remotely has the qualifications to be considered for the best seat in in Formula 1.

  10. Bottas would be a great choice for us fans because he could provide exactly the sort of unflappable low profile performance that really gets under Hamilton’s skin.

    1. All of a sudden you are epidermal consultant specialising in the many layers of Skin a driver has.
      Bottas hasn’t exactly excelled since he thought he was Ferrari bound. In fact Kimi went up a gear. Bottas has meanders around in a Williams showing little sparks of talent. Not really going to worry Hamilton.

      1. I agree, Bottas is not quick enough to bother Lewis.

        Hopefully, RB and Ferrari will have competitive cars. Otherwise it will make for a boring season with Lewis alone at the front.

  11. How about Sébastien Buemi? He won the WEC and Formula E. Has years of experience in F1. Maybe it’s cheap to buy a Forumula E driver out of the championship?

  12. Joe who do you think has more attitude problems? Wehrlein or Hamilton? My guess is Hamilton – but that he has earned the right to have an attitude, whereas Wehrlein has not.

    1. I don’t see Lewis as having attitude problems. This, of course, makes me a Hamilton fanboy in the eyes of people who get excited about these things, but as most of them have no idea ta all what they are talking about, I am not too bothered.

        1. @Kenny HM – can you name these people at McLaren and Mercedes? Having heard it 4th hand on a clickbait website’s forum isn’t evidence there is any truth in the stories.

          1. Well said Jonno
            No proof but just “click bait website” fodder.
            Three Brass Monkey mode
            🙈🙉🙊 and click 👇
            Lets start another “Did you here that DB Cooper is actually Elvis ?” 👤

        2. Being related to a couple of people at the McLaren racing team I’d say the attitude to Lewis was that he was occasionally stand offish, extroverted in one sense but not really an outgoing personality in others. Like most engineers and mechanics though, their opinion of a driver is like any support staff to a star (I know people in film and music too which is slightly different in competition sense but not the interaction sense) and his talent generally lets the few occasions he’s a bit of an arse get overlooked. Most of the McLaren people I’ve met got on with Jenson better, but he is much closer to them in background and personal likes etc. People like success though, people get on better when you’re winning.

          1. What do you mean much closer to them in background ?📋✏
            Are they all from Cornwall?🔍
            Do they listen to The Wurzels ?🎃
            All own a Massey Ferguson Combine Harvester?👷
            Drink Scrumpy Jack ?🍺
            Talk about “Gert Lush Wheels on my Tractor!”?🚜
            Why don’t you just say what you mean Aura F1 👻! ! ! !
            Is it because Jenson is white?🙈🙊
            Come on spit it out ! ! ! !🙊
            Don’t Shilly Shally and hide behind your comments.
            You do realise Lewis was a Mclaren young guns. Since he was a young teenager. The lady has seen people come and go from Woking HQ .
            I’ve worked with people I didn’t like but I still admired their work ethic and still worked with them. I just chose to socialise outside of work. I get Lewis does the same. Lots of people do. It’s the only way to chill out. You don’t want to see the same people outside of work unless you have no social life away from work. Then that’s just sad.

          2. What do you mean much closer to them in background ?📋✏
            Are they all from Cornwall?🔍
            Do they listen to The Wurzels ?🎃
            All own a Massey Ferguson Combine Harvester?👷
            Drink Scrumpy Jack ?🍺
            Talk about “Gert Lush Wheels on my Tractor!”?🚜
            Why don’t you just say what you mean Aura F1 👻! ! ! !
            Is it because Jenson is white?🙈🙊
            Come on spit it out ! ! ! !🙊
            Don’t Shilly Shally and hide behind your comments.
            You do realise Lewis was a Mclaren young guns. Since he was a young teenager. The LAD has seen people come and go from Woking HQ .
            I’ve worked with people I didn’t like but I still admired their work ethic and still worked with them. I just chose to socialise outside of work. I get Lewis does the same. Lots of people do. It’s the only way to chill out. You don’t want to see the same people outside of work unless you have no social life away from work. Then that’s just sad.

  13. Joe, what about Fernando Alonso? You didn’t mention him, and it’s unlikely he will move, but you never know in F1.

    1. He has a massive contract at McLaren. Buying that out and then paying him would cost Mercedes tens of millions. They do not have that budgeted. And why would you risk the mess that happened with Hamilton-Alonso at McLaren. It makes no sense at all.

      1. Have been wondering. Do you think Alonso would be willing to drive for free for the chance to have equal status at Mercedes? I assume money is not really and issue for him.

      2. Fair point, but Joe isnt Alonso now at the final few years of his F1 career and be tempted to drive for no money at all if Mercedes just bought out his contract at Mclaren?

      3. From a public interest view, Alonso-Hamilton is a dream. Wouldn’t Bernie/CVC/Liberty do whatever it took to make it happen?

      4. Does he? Zak Brown was quoted by Sky saying ‘We have a contract with Fernando and he is very happy. Obviously he wants to be winning races, as do we, but I am not worried about that scenario. We are very comfortable where we are at.’ This does not necessarily sound like: ‘We have a watertight contract with Alonso and he is not going anywhere’. Brown does not define what kind of contract they have with Alonso and you have written in past how these statements can be read and what they can mean. In addition, the second part of the first sentence allows me to think that they rely a lot, maybe too much on Alonso being happy where he is… Just saying…

      5. Joe, don’t you think McLaren would be attracted by the saving of off-loading Alonso’s salary plus whatever they could get from Mercedes? Particularly if they’re not fighting for podium places in 2017…

      6. totally agree, but who does it serve to keep such rumours going, Wolff maybe happy use this as a way to sow as many subtle seeds of distrust among his competitors as possible, but each linked driver and their team is perfectly capable and uniquely in a position to say, nope sorry driver x is cast iron contracted to our team and wont be driving for Mercedes and yet no-one is saying anything, have they all jetted off to desert islands with no mobile signal ?

    2. @Gabriel – Alonso cost Mercedes £millions in 2007, he left the team under a cloud and has a dreadful reputation for causing upset in teams. Alonso also walked out on Ferrari and has threatened to do the same at McLaren this time around. Without a doubt, Mercedes will see him as the poisoned chalice of F1.

  14. Good point about Grosjean possibly being in the mix too. I would really love to see him get a chance there (he knows the Mercedes engine from 2 years back too), although i can see how it would be a Ferrari only clause. Would that then open up Haas for Guttierez or for Nasr to fight over (depending on the money each brings?).
    I guess it would also mean that Bottas would be more certain to sign on for Renault (unless he steps into the Ferrari to replace Kimi) for 2018.

    Overall the Bottas option seems to be the more likely one, as it offers everyone in the deal something. Bottas a winning car, Mercedes a fast and experienced driver who might have the potential to really be in the mix, Williams a solid relationship with their engine partner as well as money for development, and on top the chance to either get a driver in the package (Wehrlein) or offer up the seat for Nasr to keep their Brazillian partners on board (i.e. Nasr boosting the package), and they know him from being a 3rd driver too.

    1. I think this was a response to a loaded question. I.E. Are you considering Alonso? To which any team managers response would be, of course we have to consider him he’s a great driver. That doesn’t mean it’s an option they are actively pursuing.

  15. I think Mercedes would be wasting their money on Bottas – I don’t think he outpeformed the retirement mode Filipe Massa sufficiently to justify a top line drive. However he could make a comfortable team-mate for Hamilton in terms of not rocking the boat.

    If Mercedes are serious about their junior driver programme then Wehrlein ought to get the job. You rightly point out everyone is not Max, but don’t forget that Lewis regularly out-paced Alonso in his F1 rookie year. Pascal has at least had the chance to drive the circuits in an F1 car, many of them for the first time in any category. Either they believe in him or they don’t. I think he would be a better use of money than Bottas.

    Ultimately however I would choose one of 2 other drivers if I were Merc:

    – As Toto I would do everything I could to get my hands on Carlos Sainz – he is a genuine contender to take the battle to Max.

    – As Mercedes main board I would be tempted to sign Indy 500 winner Rossi. He is no slouch and represents the best chance to get the US interested in F1 anytime soon. To be in a top seat, rather than circulating in a Manor, is the only type of drive that would stand any chance of appealing to mainstream US audiences.

    1. Agree on your points about Wehrlein – either give him the opportunity or cast him aside. He may not be Max however plenty of rookies have been afforded top drives with less experience than the German. Next year Vandoorne will be in McLaren having only raced once before, Grosjean was put into a competitive Lotus F1 Team alongside Kimi having only raced half a dozen races previously 3 seasons earlier (and not to any great distinction). And who can forget the excellent debuts of Robert Kubica and Kamui Kobayashi’s for their works teams? Wehrlein has more experience than any of these drivers and more than Lewis had himself when he made his own debut for a ‘big’ team. He knows the team probably more so than the similar case put forward for Nasr knowing the set up at Williams. Given the sums involved, if he can do a similar job as Bottas AND save the team $5-10M then ironing out his attitude ought to pale into insignificance given this could then be ploughed back into R&D and performance of the car.

    2. i like your post Paul on all 4 accounts.
      For me Bottas is an awful boring option. And i wouldn’t waste energy and money for such complicated and unexciting deal plus considering Valtteri’s performances of late.
      If i was Merc i would go for 1st Sainz, with Rossi 2nd –
      either for Star racer with great ability and sound experience or a Star racer with huge market potential.
      With Werhlein it’s not gonna be much more exciting as it would be with Bottas.

    3. Couldn’t agree more. I’d like to add that performance/exit clause dates must have lapsed for all by now.

      1. Quite. You would imagine that performance exit clauses are bounded in conditions, a primary one being an exercise date. The current team would need adequate notice of a pending driver departure so that they can make alternate arrangement. It would seem very unlikely that any would remain active this late.

  16. I think Mercedes could indeed look beyond the current F1 drivers pool, specially for good retired ones, in order to sign a single year contract and hold the youngsters (Pascal or Ocon) for the next season.

    Brackley feels like home for Button (or even Barrichello, despite the odds), for instance, and it would be only a year and aiming only for consistent points in the Constructors Championship.

    1. I wonder about that. Going for someone older and/or steadier, who’s perhaps even been away from F1 for a bit, would get them a safe pair of hands and allow them to give Hamilton clear No. 1 status, something which might be very valuable if their rivals are closer than in 2017. It’s what Ferrari would traditionally have done, but culturally Mercedes aren’t much like Ferrari.

      I think it makes the most sense, personally. You know your main driver is likely to be the class of the field, you only really need your No. 2 man to consistently mop up most of the points the car is capable of. Surely it’s better to play it safe in 2017 with an interim solution, while getting your ducks in a row for a really cracking pairing in 2018?

      1. Its never going to happen but wasn’t Nick Heidfeld their test driver? Always found a way to pick up the points..

  17. I think the Bottas/Mercedes- and Wehrlein/Williams-combination is a likely outcome at the moment. Bottas has the talent and is clever enough not to challenge Lewis’s star status. Williams gets a deal, Wehrlein can mature at the team and eventually replace Hamilton in the next few years. If Mercedes will still be around by then.

      1. This is really a stupid comment. Look at the sales figures of AMG vehicles and work out how much the F1 programme costs Mercedes…

  18. Joe,
    Its not a given that Mercedes will enjoy the same dominance ( like they did the past 3 years) next year. So some drivers will be better of to stay where they are?

  19. I’d love to see Alonso in a Merc, but it wil not happen (not unless the 2017 cars are “enough” fun to drive and Lewis calls it a day after his fourth title – not a prediction by the way, just supposition).

    The permutations around Bottas and Williams do leave me wondering about Williams’ long term strategy, though: I always bought into Ron Dennis’ assertion that the only way to have a shot at championships is to be a factory-backed team. If Williams stick with Mercedes they will not be champions, which, being racers, they surely want to be. You mentioned Red Bull and VW a while ago, and the possibility that RB’s lack of (factory) engine strategy is because they plan to be VW’s factory team somewhere down the line. Off the strength of last year’s performance (if not so much this year), one would think that Team Willy could have been courting a possible new entrant (however pie-in-the-sky that seems right now), but there seems to be no sign of this. I know that new entrants aren’t exactly thronging the gates of F1, but one can always try to convince a GM, a Hyundai, maybe a Chinese entrant. Williams do have some ties with Jaguar, but I don’t think they are in a position to enter F1.

    Do you have any inkling (that you can share) that Williams is planning to be more than a Mercedes customer at some point in the future?

    1. Williams’s long-term strategy is to be financially sound and become more competitive and, if that happens, then one day they might eventually find a new manufacturer. Without a manufacturer you cannot hope to win the World Championship, unless you “do a Brawn”.

      1. Joe–however aren’t many recent manufacturer entries into 2nd or 1A category teams like Williams? For example when Mercedes bought in, the team wasn’t regularly contending for wins. Also see Renault.

        Also on the other hand, were Red Bull technically a factory team when Seb was winning his championships?

        I would imagine that Williams is pretty attractive should a new manufacturer wish to enter the sport. What other options would there be for such an outfit?

      2. Red Bull gave it a good bash in 2009 too and still look the better bet than their works counterparts at Renault for 2017. Likewise, McLaren went closer than the Merc works team and were in it all the way to the end in 2010.

  20. For some reason I have a retired Patrick Head’s voice whispering in my ears that with Bottas they’re “knee deep in Boutsen territory” and that they’ll take the cash now whilst those with dollars suddenly have a need for him.

    The idea of Grosjean is far more exciting but somehow I suspect we’ll see the (sadly quite uninspiring) Bottas in Mercedes silver next season.

    On another note – imagine the tantrums on Lewis’ side of the garage if Bottas beats him too?!

  21. What about the prospect of Merc putting someone (eg Wehrlein) in as a stop-gap whilst they wait for Alonso (or Vettel) to become available?

    1. This. What do you reckon, Joe? How much of a factor in Mercedes’ deliberations is the idea of a one year only contract with a view to luring Vettel or Alonso for 2018?

  22. I still feel that a 1 year contract with Wehrlein is the obvious choice, whatever his shortcomings. By then he can either prove himself or be consigned to the past.

    Looking to the future, Max must be their prime target to eventually replace Lewis.

    Wehrlein is also 3:1 bookie’s favourite, and they tend not to lose money.

      1. The bookies only know where the punters are putting their money.
        Offering odds of 3-1 sounds like they are a little over exposed if he gets the drive so are trying to dissuade punters from backing him. (Think Leicester in the premiership, they took far too long to cut their odds)

        1. Interestingly, since Joe’s piece, Bottas has moved to 2:1.

          But I don’t get what is in it for team Willy, they need to move ahead of Force India, and not risk slipping even further back.

          Mercedes could bank the $10million just in case they need to invest their aero and chassis when the “tricks” of other teams are discovered after winter testing and Oz GP.

      1. That was my thinking too. Williams can’t go with two rookies (one of whom is very green indeed) in a season with much development required. Paul Di Resta would be a good choice for the team if Bottas gets bought out by Mercedes.

  23. It seems that Bottas will be off next year anyway to a factory team. Opportunity to make that jump a year early and arguably to a better team is a godsend to him. And for Williams, they are only delaying the inevitable. I wouldn’t imagine they were planning to build the team around him, just not their style.

  24. Joe,
    I’ve yet to read anything on how Nico got out of his contract with Merc.
    Obviously Merc are going to facilitate his departure and not stand in his way, but had he broken the contract or exercised a get out clause ?

    1. As Joe mentioned in his answer JOS, Rosberg quit. And the team accepted his request to quit. They even posted a short video (through twitter I think, will probably be on their website too?) where they had Toto and Rosberg sign the termination of the contract and hug and thank each other for the good times.

  25. Excellent analysis. The only wrinkle I see in this scenario is that it implies a Williams lineup of Stroll and Wehrlein. That strikes me as potentially problematic in a season with new regulations.

    1. I think Stroll and Nasr is much more likely, if Bottas leaves for Mercedes. Joe mentions that Nasr was popular at Williams and I’ve read that elsewhere too. Bernie seems very keen for him to be driving next year so perhaps he can have a quiet word with Banco do Brasil about how nice one of their stickers will look like on a Williams once again….

      1. When you think about it that pairing works quite well…….

        Williams has shown stunning lack of leadership qualities so often that this pair would take lack of leadership to a whole new level.

  26. Alonso.

    There is some wishful thinking here I agree, from a viewer’s perspective this would be best, but it also makes logical sense to me. Mercedes (thankfully!) have shown that they will allow their drivers to race so would they want a junior driver to follow the bolshy Hamilton around, and I cannot believe Alonso signed a contract with McLaren without it having some performance clauses.

    So, Alonso. I hope I’m proved right.

  27. “The man who is probably most likely to get the Mercedes drive is Valtteri Bottas, who is in the fifth year of a five-year Williams contract. His salary will not be enormous.”

    Quite so, Joe. Five million dollars would doubtless be a piffling sum to a chap like you.

    1. Do you and Joe ever get together Mr D? You’re both residents of France after all? You can bemoan the lack of quality hacks in your industry now. I still miss Fast Lane. And ‘proper’ Autosport

  28. Thanks Joe, I think this has been the first logical take on the Mercedes driver options that I’ve seen. I could envisage such an arrangement appealing to Williams as the team comes first. There are relatively experienced drivers known to the team who they could call upon if they didn’t want Wehlein. As pointed out Nasr would settle in relatively easily… Di Resta already long associated with Mercedes was actually their reserve driver this year.

    I think Williams would naturally be keen to hold onto for Bottas in interest of continuity but if Mercedes came knocking with enough carrot then I could see them accepting.

    My fear for Bottas though is that he could end up being like Heikki Kovalien.

  29. “The man who is probably most likely to get the Mercedes drive is Valtteri Bottas, who is in the fifth year of a five-year Williams contract. His salary will not be enormous.”

    Quite so, Joe. Five million dollars would doubtless be a piffling sum to a chap such as you.

  30. On Alonso: Do McLaren really need him at the moment?

    They’re not able to capitalise on him during races at present, and won’t be able to until they get a better car/engine in a few years, by which time there’ll be other top drivers on the market.

    Why not take the huge payoff from Merc, save on his astronomical wages, and plough it into the car?

    1. You ask if they need him? Since Lewis left McLaren, Button has handily dispatched any newcomers. That same Button got handily dispatched this year by Alonso.

      Without him there would have been one solitary Q3 appearance and probably some 30 or 40 points less in the WCC.

  31. Of the options set out by Joe, Grosjean gets my vote (not that I have one! :). He’s shown he has the speed and he has been up against a world champion before. I think he would consistently deliver but also has the potential to surprise and become a serious threat to Hamilton. Bottas is fast but hasn’t been able to comprehensively dominate Massa in the way one would have expected a really fast driver in his prime to do. But of course, if the correctly worded get out clause is missing, RG is unlikely to be going anywhere.

    ps Joe, excellent article and I admire your patience with people (I’m being polite there !) who comment without reading or understanding what you’ve written!

  32. Joe, with the american political situation of populist working class ideals in control now, wouldn’t it be wise to capitalize on expanding the american market with an american driver in the same way germany turned onto Schumacher when it had a similar geopolitical situation?

  33. If Bottas gets the callup to Merc, and Wehrlein takes his place, would this mean it likely that Jordan King might get a drive with Manor, partnered probably by Nasr or Haryanto (sponsorship depending)?

      1. Actually, Bartosz, King may well have the rights to one already — he would have qualified by right when he won British F3 in 2013, shadow of its former self though it was. I’ve no idea whether or not he took it up at the time.

  34. We may end up in a situation where Lauda and Wolff have an idea who they want to sign and the Bosses in Stuttgart decide they need a big name driver.

    So this might all effect whether the driver in the car next year gets 1 year or a longer term deal.

    In the Dennis McLaren heyday it always had to be a name driver year on year and if for whatever reason that couldn’t happen he signed a steady guy on a 1 year only deal in order to allow more time to get the deal done with who he really wanted in the car. Maybe that’s the agreement he had with Marlboro or whoever. This may not be a very different scenario with Mercedes….

  35. Your analysis of the situation is pretty clear and well explained as usual. But it you could also have included the human factor.

    Alonso is desperate to drive in a competitive car and win another WC. My point is he could be ready to make money sacrifices for that seat and to win NOW.

    My first choice was Vettel but you made me change my position on that and I choose now Alonso.

    Also, Mercedes want to win the constructor championship desperatly and they could do it with Alonso. Not sure with Bottas.

        1. I know a lot people will say this is dumb, I honestly think Daniil Kvyat might not be such a bad option failing getting Bottas or Grosjean. I am not really convinced that Red Bull really want him if they could promote Pierre Gasly into STR.

          I know Daniil had a wretched 2016 – but in 2015 he was 7th place in Drivers’ World Championship beating his race winning team-mate Daniel Ricciardo by 3 points (although Daniel had more retirements so not a completely fair comparison).

          I think getting someone with a bit more experience is better than potentially destroying either of the two Mercedes development drivers (as Joe has said) which could mean you loss a lot of investment if they fail to look respectable against Lewis Hamilton (who is the benchmark against which all other current drivers are being measured).

          The question is can Toto Wolf and the team get Daniil’s head back into the right space? I actually like Toto and I think Mercedes team did try to be fair to both drivers.

          This is an alternative if Williams F1 decided not to take the cash for a Bottas transfer which I think Joe has very elegantly explained as being one of the most feasibly.

          Personally, my choice would be Checo – he has really impressed me this season, but the contractual complexity and amount of money required will render that a complex transaction.

  36. Interesting.. My thoughts are in the following order: Bottas, Grosjean, Sainz, Wehrlein. I can’t see Red Bull holding onto Sainz forever.

    Alonso and Vettel are just not practical replacements.

  37. I’m curious about your dismissal of the top drivers with no mention of a “performance clause” (especially in a year Ferrari did so poorly). Is that because they’re largely fictional, or very strict, or..?

  38. Wasn’t all that plan of Nico to put Wehrlein in the car?
    I guess Dr. Marko is very happy at the moment)) Is something that you call “killers instinct” I think if all the stroy happened now and not in Spain the situation could be alternative.

  39. Thanks Joe Saward. Always interesting and fact based information, you give us. It is quite funny, with Rosbergs departure, it seems there will even be at least 1 team left, which will find it difficult to find the right driver (and not least budget…) for 2017.
    I go for Bottas at MB. As you write, the idea about buying Alonso out will cost the team a lot of money – and ALO/HAM in the same team again? – no way it will work.
    So maybe we will see Team Willy again making a money winning decision and come out with a good driver pairing of 2 young drivers in Stroll and Nasr.
    This might as well spring a couple of surprises next year. I always found Nasr much better, than he is credited at Sauber.

  40. I think Bottas would be in for a shock alongside Hamitlon, We have some constants to work with, kinda….

    We know Massa and Kimi were fairly equal on speed as team mates, both got battered by a similar margin by Alonso, so that’s fairly good data to work with. From what I can make out, perceived wisdom is Hamilton is every bit as quick Alonso, maybe quicker over one lap.

    Bottas had his hands full with a retiring Massa, who to be fair is probably past his best. No way on gods green earth is he going to trouble Hamilton, my guess is MS/RB setup speed wise, kinda a default No1 and No.2 setup for Merc without having to intervene to much.

  41. I think you are underestimating the likelihood of Mercedes grabbing Alonso. He’s 35 years old, and knows time is running out. Yes, he could still be racing at 40 like Schumacher was, but the speed wouldn’t be there that’s there now.

    In a career marred by moving to the wrong place at the wrong time, this would be the one move he could make that would undo all of his past mistakes. I’m sure he has the necessary get-out clauses in his contract. He left the most famous team in racing because he didn’t want to keep finishing second. He rolled the dice, and both Honda and Prodromou have not made the progress that he thought they would. He accepted it, because the two seats that could win the world championship were not available, but now one is.

    You know from his demeanor and actions that he loves the sport and racing more than anything. The only thing holding him back would be his loyalty to Honda and the Japanese fans, but he wasn’t loyal to Renault, McLaren, or Ferrari in the past, so why would he be loyal now? Look at his museum. I’m sure he’d love to have a world championship winning Mercedes sitting in it. He’s worth hundreds of millions of dollars, McLaren had to pay him because otherwise there was no incentive for him to race. I bet he’d drive a Mercedes next season for $1.

    If this opportunity was real, do you really think he’d turn it down? Heck, he hasn’t seen the podium since Hungary 2014. I think he signs a 1 year deal, 2 years max, and then hangs up his helmet…knowing he gave it one last shot.

      1. Think about the implications if Mercedes hires someone who cannot challenge Lewis. If Hamilton dominated the last 3 years to the extent that Schumacher dominated 2002, don’t you think the working group would be huddled around a table as we speak coming up with rules to try and stop them? Mercedes knows the only thing halting the rulemakers from stopping their dominance is the fact that their two superstars have put on a show for the last 3 years.

  42. Grosjean hadn’t even crossed my mind, but does make a whole lot of sense (if the speculated contractual clause does exist). Carlos would be great but seems extremely unlikely – why would Red Bull do Mercedes any favours?; it makes no sense at all. I think Bottas’s stock has fallen a bit recently, maybe he is feeling a bit stagnant at Williams and perhaps his performances have fallen inline with those of his car. If, as Mercedes have hinted, they may be looking for a clear number two driver I think there’s probably no better choice. I hope I’m wrong as I wouldn’t like to see that happening from many points of view.
    Out of Ocon and Wehrlein I would choose Ocon and so did Force India, so talk of the latter going to Mercedes seems too much like a marriage of convenience. Again, it all comes back to one of F1’s most underrated drivers, so it’s go for Grosjean.

  43. Joe, thank you as always for the excellent insight. I am still curious about the Alonso situation. All the quotes I read currently say that he has “a contract” – both Wolff and Boullier used this term. They do not mention “watertight” etc.
    It seemed to me at the time that Button’s retainer contract for 2017 was announced that it was an insurance policy against losing Alonso especially given that the team were only 7th in the constructors and it was the start of September. I know when Alonso was signed, Dennis said it was a straight 3 year contract with no options, but could there have been other conditions, such as performance has to improve by so many places each year or Ron Dennis has to be the team boss?
    Or am I just trying to brighten up a dull December day not too far from Brackley?

  44. The only problem with your article that I can see is that Williams have already lost Felipe Massa to retirement and there is no experienced driver to fill the seat. It’s not always all about the money or is it? If Williams end up with two young inexperienced drivers they could end up with a lot of crashed cars and large repair bills and fewer points than this year. Put Wehrlein in the car and get on with it. If he isn’t good enough you can get alonso or vettel for 2018.

  45. I think Bottas is a reasonable and logical choice for the reason you have stated, Joe.
    But taking on Nasr as a replacement leaves them with a #2 and a complete novice in Stoll. They’d have more money but no obvious team leader or someone to mentor very green Stoll. This is a team that once employed Piquet and Mansell, Senna and Hill. They have fallen since then, but to a point where they’d settle for a rookie and a journeyman?

    1. … a rookie and a journeyman …

      Young Rosberg and Heidfeld?
      Rosberg and Wurz?
      Young Hulk and old Barrichello?
      Maldonado and Barrichello?
      Bruno Senna and Maldonado?
      Bottas and Maldonado?
      Bottas and old Massa?

      We can talk about quality, but Williams is not exactly making exciting driver choices lately.

  46. Joe, do you think that Nico may have decided to retire this late as a way to “screw” Mercedes for not punishing Hamilton?

      1. “Time for a lie down.”? For you or me?
        I live in Korea. Retribution is so normal here that Nico leaving this way was my first thought. I hope you at least got a good laugh!

  47. Well, here we go. The absolute best candidate for Rosberg”s seat is.. .. myself. Yes, on paper it’s not conventional. Where the current trend in F1 seems to be hiring drivers not all that far from the crib, I’m seeing 50 in the rear view mirror. On the other hand, think of the publicity it would garner! “Salt and Pepper enters F1!”. Think of the jokes! On my birthday all the drivers could chip in and buy me a cane, walker, or a motorized scooter, as a laugh!
    Maybe I could do some deliveries for Meals on Wheels for the elderly, in the F1 car! Pit reporters would not only be burning their keyboards out typing in frenzies about “the old man”, but I’d be aloof, hard to get, if they wanted a story, save for a few. I’d have an attitude that would be the back wave of a hand as I’d walk away saying “I really don’t have time for you” to the riff-raff (I’d give Joe Saward all the attention he requests however!).
    The fans I’d give NASCAR attention to however. After all, oneday F1 may wake up and smell the coffee and realize that it’s the fans who sign their paycheck. Will I be winning GPs?. Hardly. I’d be more like a rolling chicane. But with a lot of humor instilled, I’d be the talk of the paddock! Lewis “what do you feel about today’s set up?” Me “Set up? Are you setting me up with one of the grid girl’s? ‘ I might have a heart attac! It wouldn’t matter if I could get it up or not!! Where’s Max Mosley anyway?”
    Yes. The possibilities are endless! I should be in Rosberg’s seat, no doubt about it. Okay, I’m older than Toto, but I’m younger than Niki!

  48. It would be great to see Bottas get the chance. He’s done well at Williams, but has often been constrained by the machinery. I can’t think of a better choice.

  49. Do you think Ferrari would be willing to annul Kimi’s contract to let him join Mere He would not be as big a loss to them as Vettel surely.? What if Alonso puts Mcaren in position where they have no choice but to cancel his contract thereby voiding it and let him join Mercedes? Whatever you reply I know you know best.

      1. Thanks for your reply Joe ,your articles on the Merc situation has been a fantastic read whilst the BBC and even JA on F1 have resorted to clickbait tactics including headlines like ‘Mercedes considering signing Alonso and hyping up a potential Alonso move when it won’t happen and I find that sad. Keep up the good work Joe.

  50. Hey Joe (wow, i should say this singing) what kind of ”damage” in the driver’s mind like Bottas does the fact he may know that he’s only there racing for Mercedes because someone ”better” quit?

    You know that little devil saying ”you’re here because you’re lucky”. If the guy’s great like Alonso he’ll likely say ”Hasta en fin, yo lo merecia”, if he’s someone with dubious skills he’ll say ”oh thank you, god. I’m going to make some money and get the hell out of here” (Kovalainen-like). Sort of high job you’re not deserving of, but you take it and just wait to be fired and get a nice severance pay.

    But would Valteri be affected by that thought, the thought he wasn’t picked before, he wasn’t on top list of Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull?

  51. Interesting analysis, It think Williams would need a great deal of financial enticement to release Bottas. Nasr doesn’t strike me a suitable replacement and team leader and they certainly wouldn’t want Wehrlein and Stroll. Money is great but they still need the drivers to develop the car and get results.

    Sainz would be perfect but Red Bull won’t let him go, especially to Mercedes. That sucks for him because he doesn’t seem to have a future with Red Bull.

    Grosjean would be an excellent choice if available but they probably won’t choose him.

    I’m thinking it’ll be Wehrlein but we’ll have to wait and see.

  52. Hi Joe,

    I understand that to buy Alonso out of McLaren would cost an arm and a leg in the absence of a get-out clause. Have you heard anyone at McLaren confirm explicitly that there aren’t any in Fernando’s contract?

    It seems bonkers to me that Alonso would go to a struggling team, on the promise of an unproven engine and not put a performance clause in there.

    I also read this quote from Zak Brown, and after remembering one of your articles from some time ago about PR-astute answers, I thought, “well, he doesn’t actually say anything at all!”

    Quote from Zak Brown:

    “We have a contract with Fernando and he’s very happy,” the American told Sky Sports. “Obviously, he wants to be winning races, as do we, but I am not worried about that scenario [him leaving]. We are very comfortable where we are at.”

    ^^^ Doesn’t say he isn’t leaving, doesn’t say he won’t leave, doesn’t say there isn’t a get-out clause in contract, doesn’t say anything apart from they’re not worried (which means nothing at all!)

    I completely understand your point that if it costs tens of millions then it wouldn’t make sense but I am convinced there will be a way for Fernando to wriggle out of that contract. He’s always had one eye on Merc and at the time of signing, Lewis only had a year left on his contract, is that right?

    Who knows… you are usually spot on with your insights but so far you’ve said no to Alonso and Toto is quoted as saying “we’re considering him”, and you’ve said Bottas most likely, whereas Toto is quoted as saying that’s his least favourite option. Very confusing!

    Let’s wait and see…exciting times.

    1. If Alonso does have a get-out clause to jump to Mercedes, isn’t Button McLaren’s reserve driver for 2017? Maybe his unlikely 2018 call to return to the team will be a year earlier than (not) expected!

      And if Alonso’s 2017 McLaren contract is too tight to break, his manager better be trying everything to secure a Mercedes deal for 2018. At the moment, if Alonso truly desires another WC before retiring, Mercedes is looking like his only realistic option. We’ve seen enough of McLaren-Honda’s progress rate to know it’s not going to happen there.

      I for one, would like to see Alonso v Hamilton ‘take 2’.

  53. Hi Joe, Does the CRB only protect the teams from contracted drivers jumping ship, or does it protect drivers from being dumped too? Sauber spring to mind as the most recent team to seemingly drop a driver (va de Garde) who thought he had a done deal (and claimed to have fully paid) for a race seat, and yet was replaced by drivers with bigger cheques. It seems to happen more at the pay-to-drive end of the grid, so I presume sometimes it’s down to late or non-payment from backing sponsors, and therefore breach of contract on the driver’s side?

  54. I agree with the idea that Mercedes needs to do something positive with Wehrlein, else they will lose credibility in the eyes of future prospects. So, that would suggest either the factory team or Williams with Botox stepping up. However, legalities aside and all things being equal, my choice would be Sainz. The Red Bull log jam is the problem for him and Carlos, Sr. has said that his son would probably have to leave in order to move up. Clearly Dr. Marko knows that, yet they rejected an offer from Renault. The only thing that is different from then to now as far as I can see is that Gasly looked a bit shaky in mid-season, but gathered himself up and finished strongly to take the title.

    So Joe, would that be sufficient for Dr. Marko to reconsider his position on Sainz?

      1. There are times, Mr. S, when I believe you should have this as your “legal disclaimer” at the start of every comments section.

  55. As has been said, Merc havent got a lot of choice. Bottas seems like the most sensible choice. If they thought Wherlein was up to the job, they would have announced it by now. I don’t think Nasr is that bad a choice for team Willy, he wasn’t so shabby in 2015 at the start of the season and he showed in Brazil that he can do a good job. If it is the case that they need the money, then that seems their best choice.

  56. Hi Joe, somewhere I read Bernie would like a Brazilian driver on the grid so Nasr to Williams in place of Bottas seems a good scenario to the survival of the Brazilian GP. So could some Bernie influence (dollars?) help this move?

  57. Bottas seems most likely to me. If you put Wehrlein in and he struggles then all you can really do is “Kvyat” him, drop him back down to the “junior” team and risk the possibility his career is ruined before it’s really started. Bottas to Merc and Werhlein to Williams makes sense and Pascal will realise, after his initial disappointment, that Williams is still a fine drive especially in relation to Manor (with the best will in the world to the plucky underdog).

    Bottas will be pretty much two-thirds of the way between a superstar to rival/needle Hamilton and a promising but relatively unproven rookie, which will more than suffice for a couple of seasons if need be.

    The only real issue to me is if Williams really want to go into a new reg change season with two inexperience drivers.

    That’s the pragmatic argument, anyway. Having said all that I’d still prefer one of the star names to find their way there and then even if not them, Sainz, Perez, Hulkenberg or Grosjean for a more exciting choice – but nowt wrong with Bottas.

  58. There is only one driver that Mercedes should put all their effort into. And that driver is Max Verstappen.
    Red Bull is a serious threat to them in 2017 and beyond. Max in a Merc would re-ignite Formula One, nobble their nearest rival and create a future beyond Lewis Hamilton.
    Anyway, Williams surely can’t afford to let Bottas go with a total rookie in the other seat?
    Imagine how much constructors money they would lose as a result.

          1. @Trento. Ask yourself if Dietrich Mateschitz has currently around $15 Billion, what would entice him, in monetary terms, to give up THE most developing talent on the F1 grid?

  59. If Alonso doesn’t have an escape clause that was triggerable from Mclarens shocking performance these last 2 years then more fool him & his manager.

    1. That would be Flavio Briatore, no? One slippery eel, I agree Alonso must have a get-out. Apologies to any eels reading this.

    2. I seem to remember that when Fernando extended his original Ferrari contract, he had the option of being paid $(a lot) with a get-out clause, or $(a lot more) with no get-out clauses. He chose more money, which later led to his messy fall-out with Ferrari when he decided he wanted to leave. (Eventually he got his wish, after a lot of light, heat and sound).
      Fernando’s track record makes me bet that his MacLaren-Honda contract does not have any get-out clauses, and in any case, as has been pointed out elsewhere, those kinds of clauses always have a “use by” date, to protect the team for the following season.

  60. Joe- As long as we’re discussing breaking contracts, why no mention of the Hulk? Knows the engine, fast (when no one bangs into him), German and everyone there knows how to say “Nico”

  61. Nico Rosberg has left his team in a very difficult position, and it can’t be assumed that it will be possible for them to find an ideal solution, more likely not.
    Their first priority must be to look to the longer term. They have a chance to sign either Vettel or Alonso for 2018, but not 2017. If that is their highest priority, I can’t see them doing anything that would close off the option. So in that case, I can’t see them hiring anybody on a two-year contract.
    I would expect them to put Vettel ahead of Alonso for 2018, because he is six years younger, he is German and he is a good team player.
    Bottas would be a good choice for 2017, but would he accept a one-year contract? It wouldn’t be ideal for him, but I think he should, as it could turn out to be his only chance of ever getting into a top-line car. And if he did well, it would enhance his chances of a Ferrari drive for 2018 more than would a further season in the midfield with Williams.

    1. No. There’s no time for long term. The short term is the only option now. Get the top driver now or risk losing the WCC. Meanwhile, get Pascal into a midfield team and monitor his performance. Not many, including the author, realise a lot is at stake and Mercedes simply can’t afford to put Bottas, Grosjean in the car. It has to be another Nico or better, period.

        1. If by making a comment means I know best, then everyone actually knows best here. Seriously, the team knows best and in my view, it should be a top driver. Of course, anyone can have a different view.

  62. When Vettel left RBR for Ferrari didn’t he have a year left on his contract?

    And this year Max “did a Ricciardo” on Daniel, Daniel would be crazy not to do everything to break his contract.

    And back then RBR was stupid enough to replace Vettel with Kvyat! At least Sainz is a much better driver than Kvyat, and Sainz also holds a grudge against Max (just like ROS vs HAM).

    1. Yes, contracts can be broken but it very much depends on the team, not the driver. In Vettel’s case, Ric was winning and perhaps that made it easier for RB to let Vettel go. Vettel leaving Ferrari now is definitely out as the team wants the two top drivers. That’s the trend these days. No one goes for a 1-2 driver pairing these days cos competition is extreme. It only worked during Schumacher’s time but that’s because Ferrari was much better than anyone else.

        1. Everything depends on money actually. Just trying to point out there are some underlying reasons besides money.

  63. Thank you for the very insightful article, Joe. A couple of questions come to mind though:

    1. Who’s known to be better at car setup, Bottas or Grosjean? Apparently this is an area where Rosberg was better than Hamilton, so presumably Mercedes will want someone who knows how to set a car up?

    2. Although I do hear what you’re saying, is it possible that, after all, Wehrlein’s nationality might trump his attitude and inexperience problems? Although who knows if he can set a car up…

  64. Joe, excuse me if this has already been covered but it seems to me that there is an issue with Bottas and that is that its all well and good for Mercedes but it gives Williams a huge issue because it has to replace him. It would be commercial madness to go into 2017 with its new regulations without a really experienced driver to partner the rookie Stroll. By all accounts Stroll is good but he has no yardstick or experience with which to help the Williams engineers in a year in which the development race with be brutal. Sainz fits the bill and it might actually suit RBR to release him now even though he has signed a new contract as that might ease the situation for Gasly. Otherwise it seems that Nasr is best but hardly a top rank driver. I suppose if Grosjean considers William a current top team and worthy leaving for. . . in which case it makes much more sense for Grosjean to go to Mercedes and leave it to HAAS to sort out the mess.

  65. Hi Mr. Saward, And about Massa? Could it not be considered for a 1 year contract like Kovalainen in 2008? Felipe gave an interview saying that he could consider a return and drive for Mercedes if was requested. He is the one who has no contract signed with anyone, is experienced and fast and would do what Mercedes ordered to do.

  66. All this talk of 10 or 20 million dollars to buy Bottas or Sainz or whoever, doesn’t take into account the loss of points scoring ability to the team which gives up their star.

    It’s in no way advantageous for Williams to release Bottas for let’s say $10m, because they will lose his points scoring ability and give them to Mercedes. With a single point being worth around $2m, the compensation payment from Mercedes would soon used up by the loss of points money.

    It makes no financial sense for any team who can hope to score points to give up a driver to Mercedes. Their best hope is that Mercedes has a driver with poorer points scorning ability in the second seat there.

  67. I am wondering how passive Bernie/Liberty are about this.The Mercedes domination of the last 3 years has had a huge negative effect on F1 no matter what metric you use as measurement.The new regulations for next year have been brought in to give other teams a chance of breaking the Mercedes dominance.If Mercedes have to sign a driver not capable of ever beating Hamilton and the new regulations do not close the gap the sport has a huge problem.The strength of Mercedes at Hungary this year suggests to me they might be just as strong in a aero formula.There could be a situation where every race the only questions could be if anyone qualifies within a second of Hamilton,whether anyone is closer than 30 seconds to him at the end of the race and who is the first of the losers.
    I do not know what Bernie/Liberty can do but they would be aware that this potentially could occur and will do everything they can to get a top tier driver at Mercedes.The thought the above scenario is a real possibility does not fill me with a lot of confidence about F1 in 2017 if Mercedes do not get a proven race winner.
    PS I don’t think they will get an Alonso etc

    1. Why is it that people complain about ‘Mercedes dominance’? They didn’t complain anywhere near as vociferously about ‘McLaren dominance’ in the 80s, or ‘Ferrari dominance’ in the Schuey era, nor did they regarding the more recent ‘Red Bull dominance’.
      Do the complainers just have a louder voice now because of the bl**dy Internet (irony not missed, btw), or is it something about the Germans that annoys them specifically?
      It’s taken the Brackley team years to build up to their current position, and someone else will get it right again in the future.
      I suppose “haters gonna hate”, no matter what 😦

      1. The difference here is that in those other eras you talked about the dominance only lasted for 1 year.Look at 85,89,93 or after what Ferrari Schumacher year you choose by the second half of the following year they were getting beaten on a regular basis.In the case of Mercedes looking at win numbers ,pole numbers and 1-2 finishes the dominance is if anything increasing.
        TV numbers have fallen greatly and in some cases crowd numbers.It is TV that funds professional sport and a continuation of the current trajectory would be immensely damaging to F1.
        It is not that I hate Mercedes just that I love F1 and recognise the damage this unbroken dominance is doing the sport.

          1. Not to the same extent.Only had a chance to check 2013 Autocourse so far but then 6 of the first 10 races were won by 4 different non Red Bull drivers.In 2010 and 2012 Ferrari went into final round with a chance of winning the championship.These things are unthinkable in the Mercedes era of the past 3 years.

  68. “The new regulations for next year have been brought in to give other teams a chance of breaking the Mercedes dominance”

    Nonsense. Stable rules close the field up, not changes.

    Do you even F1 Bro?

    1. Except in this case Mercedes/Petronas have done such an incredible job with the power units that when combined with development restrictions it would take at least 5 years for anyone to catch up.
      Whilever the power unit is the totally dominant part of car performance Mercedes/Petronas will keep dominating.The sport does not have years to spend hoping someone will produce an equal power unit so they had to move to regulations where aero becomes more important than it is now.
      Generally I would agree with your stable regs philosophy but have you watched any F1 in the past 3 years ,Bro?

  69. I saw Keke’s start at long beach last night 83′ i think. If Nico raced like that Everyone would be chasing him. his stress would be lower and he’d still be on the grid. Unlike father like son!

  70. Alonso would cost much more than Bottas to get into Mercedes but what about value of Alonso vs Bottas as a marketing asset? Of course it wouldn’t cover costs of getting Alonso into the team but still should be considered, I guess, especially when Bottas probably has one of the lowest values in this aspect – quiet person from a small country with not so many fans or followers – make him #2 in Mercedes and there could be repeat of McLaren’08. Also Mercedes should also consider who has won WCC in 2008…

  71. My money is on Grosjean on a one year deal. I worked with him at Lotus. Deeply impressive and would be a cheaper signing than buying Bottas out of his Williams deal.

  72. With the current influx of up and coming rookie drivers, i reckon that the following teams can’t afford to lose the following drivers…
    McLaren can’t afford to lose Alonso
    Williams certainly can’t afford to lose Bottas
    Force India can’t afford to lose Perez
    If Alonso were to go to Merc, Button would be back in his car. Not likely.
    If Bottas were to go to Merc, Button could go back to Williams. Also unlikely.
    Same with Force India for sure.
    Button could be tempted out of retirement for a top drive. Absolutely. On a one year deal. It would probably make for a reasonably happy camp too.
    Ferrari could afford to lose either of it’s drivers possibly. I don’t think Vettel would go though. He’d most likely get trounced by Hamilton in my opinion.
    Raikkonnen would go no problem. Do a good job too and easy going.
    Red Bull could also afford to lose a driver. Both are top drivers.
    Getting either of them would surely be very expensive. Worth it though.
    Either Red Bull driver would have a long future at Merc post Hamilton.
    This is a unique opportunity. A top drive. It should go to a driver who absolutely deserves it. Not Werlein, Grosjean, Bottas, Ocon etc.
    I can’t help thinking though, that this will be a wasted opportunity for F1 and the driver announcement will be met with a collective groan of disappointment.
    I hope not.

  73. williams have been shooting themselves in the foot for years.
    Letting bottas go so there is no reference to what a good williams car is anymore is a shot to the head.
    All for 5-10 million quid. frank isn’t that stupid surely?
    The only thing that makes sense is bottas to merc in 2018 but then you can have alonso then as well.
    Pascal can have a year at the top.Why not. Will bring in more fans around the world rather than the same aging and dwindling fanbase

  74. For sure!! it has to be JB, he left F1 on a sour note in a slow, unreliable POS.
    He is fast, smooth a great communicator with tons of experience and has also had a good working relationship with Lewis in the past. he would be the ultimate wing-man. Who else can offer all that?, awnser, No one, surely a no brainer. So come on MB give Jenson another last year in F1 befitting of a world champion.

  75. My recollection of instances where the ad hoc committee of the Contract Recognition Board has sat (including the two most highly publicised instances of relatively recent times, both involving Jenson Button) is that the decision reached is rarely viewed by the parties to the dispute as settling the matter; instead, it acts to significantly strengthen one party’s hand at the expense of the other party to the litigation in subsequent negotiations that ultimately determine matters, with perhaps the best example of this arising subsequent to the determination by the CRB that Button was contractually bound to race for Williams in the then upcoming 2006 season; with a car freshly shorn of arguably the best engines on the grid and an engineering department deprived of the millions of euros BMW sloshed into it annually as ancillary support, Button stuffed Sir Frank’s mouth with gold to keep his bum out of a Grove engineered car he viewed – correctly – as one unlikely to bother the scorers much in the foreseeable future.

  76. When you guys talk about Max or Daniel going to Merc (never going to happen anyway) you have to ask yourself even if all the contractual stuff could be worked out what is in it for the drivers?

    Next year is supposed to be more aero dominated again and that is exactly what Red Bull are good at. It also appears that Max and Daniel are treated fairly within that team and have a solid professional working relationship. So if they do find themselves with a mega car they will both have a shot at the championship.

    Why would either of them swap the above to go to an entirely new team environment and be put head to head against an awkward 3 time champion who just happens to be one of the fastest ever?

    If I were them I would stick with Red Bull.

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